• Republiscums/QAnon Renew A Bid To Remove Noncitizens From The Census Ta

    From Scout@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 15 11:55:04 2025
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    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the 2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count.

    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

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  • From Attila@21:1/5 to with message-id on Tue Jul 15 16:51:13 2025
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    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:55:04 -0700, Scout <[email protected]> in alt.atheism
    with message-id <duxdQ.758308$[email protected]> wrote:

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of
    census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of >persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the >2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some
    or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House >Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens
    from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration >did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for >apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count.

    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

    There is no reason to include non-citizens in numbers that
    involve the selection of those who govern the country.

    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. If they are here
    illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without
    exception.

    Deport them all.

    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    The Dims have an appropriate party
    symbol: A jackass.

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to Attila on Tue Jul 15 13:59:39 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/15/2025 1:51 PM, Attila wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:55:04 -0700, Scout <[email protected]> in alt.atheism
    with message-id <duxdQ.758308$[email protected]> wrote:

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of
    census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of >> persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the >> 2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some
    or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House
    Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens
    from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration
    did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for
    apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count.

    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

    There is no reason to include non-citizens in numbers that
    involve the selection of those who govern the country.

    There is a reason: the 14th amendment.

    Section 2
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
    their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State,
    excluding Indians not taxed.

    "Counting the whole number of persons," not citizens.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Attila@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Jul 15 20:26:39 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:39 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id <0jzdQ.424358$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 1:51 PM, Attila wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:55:04 -0700, Scout
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism
    with message-id <duxdQ.758308$[email protected]> wrote:

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of
    census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of >>> persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the
    2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some
    or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House
    Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens
    from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration
    did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for
    apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count.

    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

    There is no reason to include non-citizens in numbers that
    involve the selection of those who govern the country.

    There is a reason: the 14th amendment.

    Section 2
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
    their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State,
    excluding Indians not taxed.

    "Counting the whole number of persons," not citizens.

    At the time that was written there were few non-citizens.
    Note the term "whole number". This was a holdover from the
    partial persons in previous counts.

    This amendment was needed as part of the legal ending of
    slavery.

    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. If they are here
    illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without
    exception.

    Deport them all.

    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    The Dims have an appropriate party
    symbol: A jackass.

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 15 18:20:09 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/15/2025 5:26 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:39 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id <0jzdQ.424358$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 1:51 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:55:04 -0700, Scout
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism
    with message-id <duxdQ.758308$[email protected]> wrote:

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of
    census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of >>>> persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the
    2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some
    or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House >>>> Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens
    from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration
    did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for
    apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count.

    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

    There is no reason to include non-citizens in numbers that
    involve the selection of those who govern the country.

    There is a reason: the 14th amendment.

    Section 2
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
    their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State,
    excluding Indians not taxed.

    "Counting the whole number of persons," not citizens.

    At the time that was written there were few non-citizens.

    Bullshit, and irrelevant, you Nazi rapist. The words mean what they say. We count persons, not citizens, and apportion representatives based on the counts.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Attila@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Jul 16 06:40:25 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:20:09 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id <e7DdQ.1395857$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 5:26 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:39 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <0jzdQ.424358$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 1:51 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:55:04 -0700, Scout
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism
    with message-id <duxdQ.758308$[email protected]> wrote:

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of
    census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of
    persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the
    2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some
    or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House >>>>> Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens
    from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration
    did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for >>>>> apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count. >>>>>
    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

    There is no reason to include non-citizens in numbers that
    involve the selection of those who govern the country.

    There is a reason: the 14th amendment.

    Section 2
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
    their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State,
    excluding Indians not taxed.

    "Counting the whole number of persons," not citizens.

    At the time that was written there were few non-citizens.

    Bullshit, and irrelevant, you Nazi rapist. The words mean what they say. We >count persons, not citizens, and apportion representatives based on the counts.

    More Rudy Rant

    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. If they are here
    illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without
    exception.

    Deport them all.

    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    The Dims have an appropriate party
    symbol: A jackass.

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 16 06:48:21 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/16/2025 3:40 AM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:20:09 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id <e7DdQ.1395857$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 5:26 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:39 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <0jzdQ.424358$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 1:51 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:55:04 -0700, Scout
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism
    with message-id <duxdQ.758308$[email protected]> wrote:

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of
    census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of
    persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the
    2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some
    or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House >>>>>> Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens
    from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration
    did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for >>>>>> apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count. >>>>>>
    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

    There is no reason to include non-citizens in numbers that
    involve the selection of those who govern the country.

    There is a reason: the 14th amendment.

    Section 2
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
    their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State,
    excluding Indians not taxed.

    "Counting the whole number of persons," not citizens.

    At the time that was written there were few non-citizens.

    Bullshit, and irrelevant, you Nazi rapist. The words mean what they say. We >> count persons, not citizens, and apportion representatives based on the counts.

    More Rudy kicking my flabby doughy geriatric ass.

    Yes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Attila@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Jul 16 10:29:49 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 06:48:21 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id <F4OdQ.226153$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/16/2025 3:40 AM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:20:09 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <e7DdQ.1395857$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 5:26 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:39 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <0jzdQ.424358$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 1:51 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:55:04 -0700, Scout
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism
    with message-id <duxdQ.758308$[email protected]> wrote:

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of
    census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of
    persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the
    2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some
    or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House >>>>>>> Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens
    from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration
    did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for >>>>>>> apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count. >>>>>>>
    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

    There is no reason to include non-citizens in numbers that
    involve the selection of those who govern the country.

    There is a reason: the 14th amendment.

    Section 2
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
    their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State,
    excluding Indians not taxed.

    "Counting the whole number of persons," not citizens.

    At the time that was written there were few non-citizens.

    Bullshit, and irrelevant, you Nazi rapist. The words mean what they say. We >>> count persons, not citizens, and apportion representatives based on the counts.

    More Rudy kicking my flabby doughy geriatric ass.

    Yes.

    Another Rudy forgery

    --


    Every person in the US is here either
    legally or illegally. If they are here
    illegally they should be identified and
    deported as soon as possible without
    exception.

    Deport them all.

    All politicians are trained to lie
    and make those lies sound like
    the truth. They start with the biggest
    lie of all: Politicians are public
    servants.

    The Dims have an appropriate party
    symbol: A jackass.

    Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
    and abhorrent.
    Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

    I support:

    A Constitional Amendment establishing
    the Freedom of Choice.

    The elimination of public expression,
    display or support of religion or
    religious positions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 16 07:51:52 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 7/16/2025 7:29 AM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:

    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 06:48:21 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id <F4OdQ.226153$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/16/2025 3:40 AM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 18:20:09 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <e7DdQ.1395857$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 5:26 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:

    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 13:59:39 -0700, Alan Bond
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism with message-id
    <0jzdQ.424358$[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/15/2025 1:51 PM, Attila the Nazi rapist lied:
    On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:55:04 -0700, Scout
    <[email protected]> in alt.atheism
    with message-id <duxdQ.758308$[email protected]> wrote:

    Republicans in Congress are reviving a controversial push to alter a key set of
    census numbers that are used to determine how presidents and members of the U.S.
    House of Representatives are elected.

    Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says the "whole number of
    persons in each state" must be included in what are called apportionment counts,
    the population numbers based on census results that determine each state's share
    of House seats and Electoral College votes for a decade.

    But GOP lawmakers have now released three bills this year that would use the
    2030 census to tally residents without U.S. citizenship, and then subtract some
    or all of them from the apportionment counts. Republicans on the House >>>>>>>> Appropriations Committee unveiled the latest bill Monday.

    Any attempt to carry out the unprecedented exclusion of millions of noncitizens
    from the apportionment counts of the 2030 census is likely to undermine the head
    count's accuracy and face legal challenges, as the first Trump administration
    did in its failed push for similar changes for the 2020 census. >>>>>>>>
    https://www.npr.org/2025/07/15/nx-s1-5467533/counted-in-the-census-congressional-redistricting-electoral-college

    The 14th amendment says *all* persons are to be counted and used for >>>>>>>> apportionment. Non-citizens have *always* been included in the count. >>>>>>>>
    Republiscums/QAnon know they cannot win without cheating.

    There is no reason to include non-citizens in numbers that
    involve the selection of those who govern the country.

    There is a reason: the 14th amendment.

    Section 2
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to
    their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State,
    excluding Indians not taxed.

    "Counting the whole number of persons," not citizens.

    At the time that was written there were few non-citizens.

    Bullshit, and irrelevant, you Nazi rapist. The words mean what they say. We
    count persons, not citizens, and apportion representatives based on the counts.

    More Rudy kicking my flabby doughy geriatric ass.

    Yes.

    Another brutal ass-kicking Rudy gave to me.

    That's right, Nazi filth.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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