• Five Years Later, the McCloskeys Still Haven't Gotten Their Guns Back

    From Leroy N. Soetoro@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 9 22:03:32 2025
    XPost: alt.politics.usa.constitution.gun-rights, stl.general, sac.politics XPost: alt.america, alt.politics.republicans

    https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025/07/02/five-years-later-the- mccloskeys-still-havent-gotten-their-guns-back-n1229146

    I know the wheels of justice grind slowly, but this is ridiculous.

    It's been almost five years since Mark and Patricia McCloskey had their lawfully-owned guns taken from them and were charged by St. Louis
    prosecutor Kimberly Garner with unlawful use of a weapon for displaying firearms outside their home as a large swarm of protestors marched through their neighborhood just a few weeks after the city's deadly riots in early June, 2020.

    It's been more than four years since the couple pleaded guilty to
    misdemeanor offenses, and almost four years since the pair were pardoned
    by then-Missouri governor Mike Parson.

    Shortly thereafter, Mark McCloskey sued to get their guns back, but was rebuffed by a circuit court judge and the Missouri Court of Appeals, which upheld the lower court ruling in December, 2023.

    "Missouri law is unequivocal that a gubernatorial pardon obliterates the
    fact of the conviction, not the fact of guilt," the appeals court said.

    "The guilty plea ... triggered the guns' forfeiture," the court said.
    "Since McCloskey's guilt remains, it follows that he is not entitled to
    the return of the weapons."

    Keep in mind that Mark and Patricia McCloskey can both go into a gun store
    and legally purchase a firearm, which makes the judges' decision that he's
    not entitled to get his guns back even more ridiculous.

    Mark McCloskey sued St. Louis in January, 2022 over the decision not to
    return his guns, but they also sought to expunge their criminal records,
    which would formally remove their guilty plea from the public record and
    should allow them to get their guns back. Last June a St. Louis County
    judge granted that request over the objections of city officials and the
    local prosecutor, who claimed they're a "continued threat to public
    safety" who have "shown no remorse for the impact of their actions."

    Amazingly, even after that decision the St. Louis Police Department wasn't ready to give up. The department appealed the decision to the Eastern
    District Missouri Court of Appeals, once again arguing that the McCloskeys
    are a threat to public safety. On Tuesday the court released its decision denying the department's request and upholding the expungement.

    A three-judge panel found the circuit court judge did not err in
    determining the couple met the criteria for expungement after they gained notoriety for displaying their weapons outside of their Central West End mansion as protesters moved through the neighborhood.

    Chief Judge John Torbitzky, who authored the seven-page decision,
    dismissed the police department�s claims that the two were a threat to
    public safety.

    �The circuit court provided an adequate opportunity for the department to
    make an offer of proof, but the department failed to make use of that opportunity,� Torbitzky wrote.

    McCloskey's lawsuit against the city has been on hold for awhile, and the
    next hearing isn't scheduled to take place until December of this year. If
    the St. Louis PD decides to appeal yesterday's decision to the Missouri
    Supreme Court it could drag out the return of McCloskey's guns well into
    2026, if not beyond.

    St. Louis Circuit Attorney Gabriel E. Gore claims to "believe in fairness"
    and the opportunity for non-violent offenders to "get their lives back on track." If he truly believes that, he should buck the Democrat machine in
    St. Louis and side with the McCloskeys in their legal fight to have their
    guns returned.

    That will never happen, but the McCloskeys are almost certain to
    (eventually) win their fight to have their records expunged and their
    firearms returned. Five years is far too long, though, and justice delayed
    is justice denied.


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  • From Leroy N. Soetoro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 11 00:05:59 2025
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    Shut the fuck up nigger. Aren't they the disbarred Lawyers convicted of peddling kiddy porn? If guns aren't for shooting Americans, what are they there for and how the fuck is anybody going to get better at it if they can't practise on real live white people born right here in the USA?

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