https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/18/definitely-playing-favorites-interior-memo-could-strike-dire-blow-to-wind-and-solar-projects-00460801
. . .
Reportedly Trump did sign off on this just this afternoon.
It means the Feds are OUT of the 'green' energy biz, no
more projects on federal land, no more subsidies, no
more Chinese windmills/panels.
Trump especially hates windmills - and kind of for
good reasons. Huge, high maint, weird subsonics, not
that efficient.
I think Denmark makes 'em too if we want non-China product.
Solar cells, still kind of stuck at 25% efficiency, but
the price and quality has improved over the years. Home
owners may still want these as a backup, but it's more
of a vanity thing with a lot of up-front money needed.
Alas, again China dominates that market. There are outfits
like Canadian Solar but I don't know if they make their
own cells or just re-sell China components.
In any case, if YOU want then YOU can buy them, the Feds
are not in that biz anymore.
A number of electric companies, esp in the south, have
added fields of solar cells to their grids. There may
be some sense in that - they boost the grid during the
high-demand business hours. This means the companies
don't need as much reserve mechanical gen capacity.
Trump is OK with 'clean' coal plants, LNG plants and
especially nuclear power. Alas you don't toss up a
nuke plant over summer break ...
Now lefties ... y'all just LOVE that "AI" stuff.
"AI" requires a GIGANTIC amount of power. They
are building their own power plants - I think
one corp is talking about their own nuke plant.
Projections are in the neighborhood of maybe
up to 25% of all electric power will be put
into 'AI' within a few years - all so you can
make fake porn vids and train the 'AI' replacement
for your job.
On 2025-07-18, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/18/definitely-playing-favorites-interior-memo-could-strike-dire-blow-to-wind-and-solar-projects-00460801Fossil fuels make the world go round.
. . .
Reportedly Trump did sign off on this just this afternoon.
It means the Feds are OUT of the 'green' energy biz, no
more projects on federal land, no more subsidies, no
more Chinese windmills/panels.
Trump especially hates windmills - and kind of for
good reasons. Huge, high maint, weird subsonics, not
that efficient.
I think Denmark makes 'em too if we want non-China product.
Solar cells, still kind of stuck at 25% efficiency, but
the price and quality has improved over the years. Home
owners may still want these as a backup, but it's more
of a vanity thing with a lot of up-front money needed.
Alas, again China dominates that market. There are outfits
like Canadian Solar but I don't know if they make their
own cells or just re-sell China components.
In any case, if YOU want then YOU can buy them, the Feds
are not in that biz anymore.
A number of electric companies, esp in the south, have
added fields of solar cells to their grids. There may
be some sense in that - they boost the grid during the
high-demand business hours. This means the companies
don't need as much reserve mechanical gen capacity.
Trump is OK with 'clean' coal plants, LNG plants and
especially nuclear power. Alas you don't toss up a
nuke plant over summer break ...
Now lefties ... y'all just LOVE that "AI" stuff.
"AI" requires a GIGANTIC amount of power. They
are building their own power plants - I think
one corp is talking about their own nuke plant.
Projections are in the neighborhood of maybe
up to 25% of all electric power will be put
into 'AI' within a few years - all so you can
make fake porn vids and train the 'AI' replacement
for your job.
AI data centers are mostly based upon storage which require a
huge amount of power to run.
And then you have the greeniacs looking for EV and so forth
without understanding that the US grid simply cannot handle all of
this and especially when green energy mandates are in place.
Places like CA and NYC are having problems keeping the power on during
hot summer days as it is.
Windmills are not going to help.
On 2025-07-18, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/18/definitely-playing-favorites-Fossil fuels make the world go round.
interior-memo-could-strike-dire-blow-to-wind-and-solar-projects-004608
01
. . .
Reportedly Trump did sign off on this just this afternoon.
It means the Feds are OUT of the 'green' energy biz, no
more projects on federal land, no more subsidies, no
more Chinese windmills/panels.
Trump especially hates windmills - and kind of for
good reasons. Huge, high maint, weird subsonics, not
that efficient.
I think Denmark makes 'em too if we want non-China product.
Solar cells, still kind of stuck at 25% efficiency, but
the price and quality has improved over the years. Home
owners may still want these as a backup, but it's more
of a vanity thing with a lot of up-front money needed.
Alas, again China dominates that market. There are outfits
like Canadian Solar but I don't know if they make their
own cells or just re-sell China components.
In any case, if YOU want then YOU can buy them, the Feds
are not in that biz anymore.
A number of electric companies, esp in the south, have
added fields of solar cells to their grids. There may
be some sense in that - they boost the grid during the
high-demand business hours. This means the companies
don't need as much reserve mechanical gen capacity.
Trump is OK with 'clean' coal plants, LNG plants and
especially nuclear power. Alas you don't toss up a
nuke plant over summer break ...
Now lefties ... y'all just LOVE that "AI" stuff.
"AI" requires a GIGANTIC amount of power. They
are building their own power plants - I think
one corp is talking about their own nuke plant.
Projections are in the neighborhood of maybe
up to 25% of all electric power will be put
into 'AI' within a few years - all so you can
make fake porn vids and train the 'AI' replacement
for your job.
AI data centers are mostly based upon storage which require a
huge amount of power to run.
And then you have the greeniacs looking for EV and so forth
without understanding that the US grid simply cannot handle all of
this and especially when green energy mandates are in place.
Places like CA and NYC are having problems keeping the power on during
hot summer days as it is.
Windmills are not going to help.
Top 10 states generating electricity from wind
April 2025
Texas
Iowa
Oklahoma
Kansas
Illinois
California
Minnesota
North Dakota
Colorado
New Mexico
https://www.chooseenergy.com/data-center/wind-generation-by-state/
Red states lead the way...............
Mitchell Holman wrote:
Top 10 states generating electricity from wind
April 2025
Texas
Iowa
Oklahoma
Kansas
Illinois
California
Minnesota
North Dakota
Colorado
New Mexico >>https://www.chooseenergy.com/data-center/wind-generation-by-state/
Red states lead the way...............
Trump sabotages the Red State support base again!
Mitchell Holman wrote:
Top 10 states generating electricity from wind
April 2025
Texas
Iowa
Oklahoma
Kansas
Illinois
California
Minnesota
North Dakota
Colorado
New Mexico
https://www.chooseenergy.com/data-center/wind-generation-by-state/
Red states lead the way...............
Trump sabotages the Red State support base again!
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
and this will be proof that wind power is so awesome?
Marmalade King <[email protected]> wrote in news:105g1bs$2nt5l$[email protected]:
Mitchell Holman wrote:
Top 10 states generating electricity from wind
April 2025
Texas
Iowa
Oklahoma
Kansas
Illinois
California
Minnesota
North Dakota
Colorado
New Mexico
https://www.chooseenergy.com/data-center/wind-generation-by-state/
Red states lead the way...............
Trump sabotages the Red State support base again!
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
and this will be proof that wind power is so awesome?
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105gaac$2q0ci$[email protected]:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
and this will be proof that wind power is so awesome?
How are rural windmills
any different
from rural oil wells and gas wells and
cell towers and powerline towers? Funny
conservatives don't complain about THOSE.
Marmalade King <[email protected]> wrote in news:105g1bs$2nt5l$[email protected]:
Mitchell Holman wrote:
Top 10 states generating electricity from wind
April 2025
Texas
Iowa
Oklahoma
Kansas
Illinois
California
Minnesota
North Dakota
Colorado
New Mexico
https://www.chooseenergy.com/data-center/wind-generation-by-state/
Red states lead the way...............
Trump sabotages the Red State support base again!
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
On 7/19/25 2:47 PM, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
The wind turbines aren't *any* different. They are not replacing crops or
livestock — they are supplements to them.
Have you been diagnosed?
On 7/19/25 2:44 PM, NoBody wrote:
On 7/19/2025 7:32 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
and this will be proof that wind power is so awesome?
No, you fucking retard. Farmers and ranchers are still raising crops and
livestock. The wind turbines are in addition to the agricultural products, not
in place of.
Please, nobody tell him. Right now
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
On 7/19/25 2:34 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105gaac$2q0ci$[email protected]:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
How are rural windmills any different
from rural oil wells and gas wells and
cell towers and powerline towers? Funny
conservatives don't complain about THOSE.
Well if I may steer you back TO YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS
it is different -- again, ACCORDING TO YOU -- because
food producers will abandon food production
On 7/19/2025 11:34 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105gaac$2q0ci$[email protected]:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
and this will be proof that wind power is so awesome?
How are rural windmills
wind turbines
any different
from rural oil wells and gas wells and
cell towers and powerline towers? Funny
conservatives don't complain about THOSE.
The wind turbines aren't *any* different. They are not replacing crops
or livestock — they are supplements to them. The farmers and ranchers
still grow crops and raise livestock, but now they supplement their
income with lease payments for the wind turbines.
"JTEM" is a fucking moron.
On 7/19/25 2:34 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105gaac$2q0ci$[email protected]:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
How are rural windmills any different
from rural oil wells and gas wells and
cell towers and powerline towers? Funny
conservatives don't complain about THOSE.
Well if I may steer you back TO YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS
it is different -- again, ACCORDING TO YOU -- because
food producers will abandon food production
in order to
lease their property, THE PROPERTY BEING USED TO
PRODUCE FOOD, to people ass raping rate payers enough
to replace the short-lived wind mills are way too
frequent intervals.
You think this is awesome, YOU THINK THIS IS A CHANGE,
and thus "Different," this situation you want where
people produce food stop producing it, lowering the
supply, in order to sit back and cash lease checks...
You. READ YOUR OWN GODDAMN WORDS!
Mitchell Holman wrote:
Marmalade King <[email protected]> wrote in news:105g1bs$2nt5l$[email protected]:
Mitchell Holman wrote:
Top 10 states generating electricity from wind
April 2025
Texas
Iowa
Oklahoma
Kansas
Illinois
California
Minnesota
North Dakota
Colorado
New Mexico
https://www.chooseenergy.com/data-center/wind-generation-by-state/
Red states lead the way...............
Trump sabotages the Red State support base again!
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
But all those cows being killed by them!
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105h0ki$2uh0p$[email protected]:
On 7/19/25 2:34 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105gaac$2q0ci$[email protected]:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
How are rural windmills any different
from rural oil wells and gas wells and
cell towers and powerline towers? Funny
conservatives don't complain about THOSE.
Well if I may steer you back TO YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS
it is different -- again, ACCORDING TO YOU -- because
food producers will abandon food production
Huh?
Who said that?
Farmers farm AROUND the wind turbines,
ranchers run cattle AROUND the wind turbines.
There is no disruption of fodd supply.
Take a look. https://www.res-group.com/resources/automation-in-renewables-wind/ https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2025/howard-county-wind-farms-
iowa/821726
By contrast here is the "footprint" of oil
wells, which consume far greater parts of
agriculturals land.
https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/oil-well-aerial
Post for your "taking land out production"
complaints to those.
On 7/19/25 2:44 PM, NoBody wrote:
On 7/19/2025 7:32 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
and this will be proof that wind power is so awesome?
No, you fucking retard. Farmers and ranchers are still raising crops and
livestock. The wind turbines are in addition to the agricultural products, not
in place of.
Please, nobody tell him.
On 7/19/25 4:59 PM, NoBody wrote:
Your concession
Have you kicked my flabby doughy pimply ass?
OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
On 7/19/2025 1:56 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 2:47 PM, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
The wind turbines aren't *any* different. They are not replacing crops or >>>> livestock — they are supplements to them.
Have you been diagnosed?
non sequitur
Have you kicked my ass?
No, moron, a farmer could not lease out his property and
then continue farming "Business as usual."
On 7/20/25 12:34 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
The fucktard "JTEM" claims you said it. He's lying.
I quoted your alter,
On 7/19/25 5:17 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 7/19/2025 2:17 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 7/19/2025 1:53 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 2:34 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105gaac$2q0ci$[email protected]:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
How are rural windmills any different
from rural oil wells and gas wells and
cell towers and powerline towers? Funny
conservatives don't complain about THOSE.
Well if I may steer you back TO YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS
it is different -- again, ACCORDING TO YOU -- because
food producers will abandon food production
No, you fucking liar, he never said that. They emphatically do *not* abandon >> food production, you fucking liar. The wind turbines are *in addition* to the
food production. The wind turbines take of very little space relative to the >> rest of the agricultural operations.
Why do you tell such stupid lies?
Farmers up in arms against pipelines crossing their property:
Ubiquitous wrote:
On 7/19/2025 2:15 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 7/19/2025 7:32 AM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
No, he neither said nor implied that. You slopped together a shabby little straw
man, which is a form of lying.
Farmers and ranchers continue their ag operations, *and* they lease out some >> land for wind turbines. They *still* earn money from their ag operations, and
now they earn additional money from the leases.
Are you taking lessons on how to be a fucking moron from scooter and Kremlin >> Girl? It sure appears that way.
Look.
You're rudely pretending that farming & windfarms go together
like peanutbutter & chocolate, but...
On 7/20/25 12:35 PM, NoBody wrote:
Please, nobody tell him.
You lost, you fuckwit. You're maintaining that farmers and ranchers have to >> choose between raising food crops and livestock, *or* shutting down their
agricultural operations and leasing the land out solely for wind turbines. But
that's wrong. It isn't merely wrong, it's fucking stupid. The wind turbines >> *coexist* with agricultural production, and in the case of plant crops, there is
evidence that the air movement from the turbines *increases* crop yield.
You've carved out a really stupid position, and you're too fucking stupid and
stubborn to let go of it when you have been proved wrong.
How many times are you going to kick my ass?
If farmers are cashing in with leasing their land over
for alternative energy, then alternative energy isn't
very cheap.
On 7/20/25 12:35 PM, NoBody wrote:Yes, you fuckwit, I did, and I'm still doing it.
Please, nobody tell him.
You lost, you fuckwit. You're maintaining that farmers and ranchers have to >> choose between raising food crops and livestock, *or* shutting down their
agricultural operations and leasing the land out solely for wind turbines. But
that's wrong. It isn't merely wrong, it's fucking stupid. The wind turbines >> *coexist* with agricultural production, and in the case of plant crops, there is
evidence that the air movement from the turbines *increases* crop yield.
You've carved out a really stupid position, and you're too fucking stupid and
stubborn to let go of it when you have been proved wrong.
Lol! You kicked my ass.
On 7/22/2025 10:28 PM, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
On 7/22/2025 10:12 PM, JTEM wrote:
OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
On 7/19/2025 1:56 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 2:47 PM, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
The wind turbines aren't *any* different. They are not replacing crops or
livestock — they are supplements to them.
Have you been diagnosed?
non sequitur
Have you kicked my ass?
Yes, fucktard, I have.
No, moron, a farmer could not lease out his property and
then continue farming "Business as usual."
Yes, you stupid shitstain, because he only leases out tiny parts of his
property. He continues to grow crops or raise livestock around the wind
turbines. They have a very small footprint.
https://www.dtnpf.com/mydtn-public-core-portlet/servlet/GetStoredImage?
symbolicName=0421_016_farmwiththewind.jpg&category=CMS
https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1324710790/photo/row-of-curious-dutch-dairy-
cows-in-front-of-large-wind-turbines.webp?
s=1024x1024&w=is&k=20&c=vx5d0DucHu5xKbBqSkdmRVtuJ6SGX9BG9lB_b8h9Fr4=
You stupid lying Nazi cunt.
So pipelines impede farmers.
On 7/22/2025 10:25 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 7/22/2025 9:57 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/20/25 12:34 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
The fucktard "JTEM" claims you said it. He's lying.
I quoted your alter,
You didn't quote fuck-all, you cocksucking liar. You claimed Holman said
something, and he never said it, you cocksucking liar.
You are about to be culled, shitstain.
Reminder:
On 7/22/2025 10:30 PM, NoBody wrote:
On 7/22/2025 10:16 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 4:59 PM, NoBody wrote:
Your concession
Have you kicked my flabby doughy pimply ass?
Yes, shitworm, I have.
Now, now; I eat shit.
On 7/22/2025 10:12 PM, JTEM wrote:
OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
On 7/19/2025 1:56 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 2:47 PM, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
No, moron, a farmer could not lease out his property and
then continue farming "Business as usual."
You stupid lying Nazi cunt.
Ubiquitous wrote:
You
Reminder:
#1. You're defending (poorly) the gleeful claim that farmers
are going to switch from producing food to producing
electricity, and that this is a good thing.
#2. You're pretending that wind farms built on agricultural
land can't impact on farming the way that pipelines and
power lines (their towers) already do.
Oh, and...
#3. You think this makes you brilliant, saying your stupid
shit.
You're messed up. You don't give a shit about wind power,
farmers or anything else. You're just a head case trying to
fool itself into believing it's relevant.
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105q0hc$80lq$[email protected]:
Ubiquitous wrote:
#1. You're defending (poorly) the gleeful claim that farmers
are going to switch from producing food to producing
electricity, and that this is a good thing.
No one made that claim.
#2. You're pretending that wind farms built on agricultural
land can't impact on farming the way that pipelines and
power lines (their towers) already do.
No one made that claim.
#3. You think this makes you brilliant, saying your stupid
shit.
Mitchell Holman wrote:
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:105q0hc$80lq$[email protected]:
Ubiquitous wrote:
#1. You're defending (poorly) the gleeful claim that farmers
are going to switch from producing food to producing
electricity, and that this is a good thing.
No one made that claim.
I will! I will! Wind turbines give cancer to wheat.
#2. You're pretending that wind farms built on agricultural
land can't impact on farming the way that pipelines and
power lines (their towers) already do.
No one made that claim.
I will! I will! You would think our power lines along the sidewalk take
up a mere few feet, but they have such an easement you have to file a
drive plan with PGE to access the street.
#3. You think this makes you brilliant, saying your stupid
shit.
Naw. Being brilliant makes me brilliant.
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
and this will be proof that wind power is so awesome?
Are you retarded? You can tell us. We're all friendsYou don't know what "irony" means, do you?
here... retard.
OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
On 7/22/2025 10:12 PM, JTEM wrote:
OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
On 7/19/2025 1:56 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 2:47 PM, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
No, moron, a farmer could not lease out his property and
then continue farming "Business as usual."
You stupid lying Nazi cunt.
You cannot grow corn under wind turbines because it all gets cancer.
OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
On 7/19/2025 1:56 PM, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 2:47 PM, OrigInfoJunkie wrote:
The wind turbines aren't *any* different. They are not replacing
crops or livestock — they are supplements to them.
Have you been diagnosed?
non sequitur
Have you been diagnosed?
No, moron, a farmer could not lease out his property and
then continue farming "Business as usual." There is tax
benefits for doing so, or at least claiming it, because
farm land is generally exempt from taxes while land used
for commercial purposes is taxed.
...never heard of a farmer who didn't regret power
lines and their supporting structures going across their
land! And they don't require as much maintenance much
less complete replacement every 12 years or so...
That's kind of normal for you retards: You're incapable
of testing claims!
Farmers HATE power lines and even pipelines! But there's
nothing but good news for them when it comes to wind turbines?
You're simply a fucking idiot pushing an agenda.
No, moron, a farmer could not lease out his property and
then continue farming "Business as usual." There is tax
benefits for doing so, or at least claiming it, because
farm land is generally exempt from taxes while land used
for commercial purposes is taxed.
Cite, please!
On 2025-07-19 07:32, JTEM wrote:
On 7/19/25 8:43 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Red state politicians may hate windmills
but farmers and ranchers love them. They can
make more money on windmill leases than they
ever did growing crops and running cattle.
So you want to produce less food -- shrink the supply --
and this will be proof that wind power is so awesome?
Wind turbines don't prevent you from farming the land...
<https://matthewtrader.com/roscoe-wind-farm-is-a-giant-wind-farm- with-627-wind-turbines-in-texas>
And solar? Sure
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=agrivoltaics&t=osx&ia=web
On 7/31/25 5:18 PM, Alan wrote:
Wind turbines don't prevent you from farming the land...
I presented a number of cites establishing that farmers
have protested -- claimed to be burdened by -- pipelines
and power cables crossing their lands. I ask again, knowing
you're a fucking loser who can't handle it, what is so
magical that the far greater footprint of a windfarm on their
lands won't interfere where a pipeline or a tower for a
power line does?
JTEM <[email protected]> wrote in news:106hci5$5ipr$[email protected]:
On 7/31/25 5:18 PM, Alan wrote:
Wind turbines don't prevent you from farming the land...
I presented a number of cites establishing that farmers
have protested -- claimed to be burdened by -- pipelines
and power cables crossing their lands. I ask again, knowing
you're a fucking loser who can't handle it, what is so
magical that the far greater footprint of a windfarm on their
lands won't interfere where a pipeline or a tower for a
power line does?
No one is forcing landowners to sell
leases for wind mills or solar arrays or
oil wells. Apples and oranges.
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