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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m808kml0o

Jury-free trials recommended to save courts from 'collapse'

Thousands of cases that would normally be heard in front
of a jury should be decided by judges alone, according
to recommendations made by a former senior judge.

Sir Brian Leveson was asked by the Lord Chancellor to come
up with a series of proposals to reduce the backlog of
cases in the criminal courts.

There are almost 77,000 cases waiting for trial in the
Crown Court in England and Wales - meaning some defendants
and victims are waiting years for justice.

After reviewing the state of the criminal courts, Sir Brian
suggested "fundamental" reforms to "reduce the risk of
total system collapse." But some barristers argue juries
are essential for fair justice - and scrapping them is wrong.

. . .

I don't think the UK govt is interested in 'fair'
or 'just' anymore ........

"Milord, this is Fredric ... GUILTY ! Five Years !"

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On 7/8/25 10:55 PM, % wrote:

c186282 wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m808kml0o

Jury-free trials recommended to save courts from 'collapse'

Thousands of cases that would normally be heard in front
of a jury should be decided by judges alone, according
to recommendations made by a former senior judge.

Sir Brian Leveson was asked by the Lord Chancellor to come
up with a series of proposals to reduce the backlog of
cases in the criminal courts.

There are almost 77,000 cases waiting for trial in the
Crown Court in England and Wales - meaning some defendants
and victims are waiting years for justice.

After reviewing the state of the criminal courts, Sir Brian
suggested "fundamental" reforms to "reduce the risk of
total system collapse." But some barristers argue juries
are essential for fair justice - and scrapping them is wrong.

. . .

   I don't think the UK govt is interested in 'fair'
   or 'just' anymore ........

   "Milord, this is Fredric ... GUILTY ! Five Years !"

jury is the choice of the defendant it's a legal right

Looks like they're about to FIX that little issue ...

The sour old guy in the wig glares down at you and
then dispenses instant 'justice'.

Maybe they can do firing squads out behind the
building.

"Efficiency" ! "Saves tax money !"

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On 2025-07-09, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m808kml0o

Jury-free trials recommended to save courts from 'collapse'

Thousands of cases that would normally be heard in front
of a jury should be decided by judges alone, according
to recommendations made by a former senior judge.

Sir Brian Leveson was asked by the Lord Chancellor to come
up with a series of proposals to reduce the backlog of
cases in the criminal courts.

There are almost 77,000 cases waiting for trial in the
Crown Court in England and Wales - meaning some defendants
and victims are waiting years for justice.

After reviewing the state of the criminal courts, Sir Brian
suggested "fundamental" reforms to "reduce the risk of
total system collapse." But some barristers argue juries
are essential for fair justice - and scrapping them is wrong.

. . .

I don't think the UK govt is interested in 'fair'
or 'just' anymore ........

"Milord, this is Fredric ... GUILTY ! Five Years !"

UK is almost gone.
Between the attacks on "free speech" and the prosecution of people comitting
so called "hate speech" they are in serious trouble. While the UK does not have official laws allowing free speech, it has always been a judgment call and
the laws were highly lenient.
The influx of migrants has set the UK on a path of destruction so they had better
wake up or their culture will be gone.
Same for Sweden, Germany and other EU nations.
Oh, and the USA as well.
This isn't racist theory but the cold, hard truth.
In the early 1900's migrants from all around the world came to USA
and they literally built the country. They were proud to be here but at the same time never forgot their heritage and thus communities like Little Italy in NYC
were born.
They shared their culture with other immigrants like Irish, Spanish, Asian and so forth
and the reciprocal was done.
None of these migrants expected the population of the US to adopt their culture or else.
That is the difference between then and now.
And we live in very, very dangerous times.





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the *Snit (AKA Michael Glasser)*, this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004 <https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>

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pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104plv0$14fq5$[email protected]:

On 2025-07-09, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m808kml0o

Jury-free trials recommended to save courts from 'collapse'

Thousands of cases that would normally be heard in front
of a jury should be decided by judges alone, according
to recommendations made by a former senior judge.

Sir Brian Leveson was asked by the Lord Chancellor to come
up with a series of proposals to reduce the backlog of
cases in the criminal courts.

There are almost 77,000 cases waiting for trial in the
Crown Court in England and Wales - meaning some defendants
and victims are waiting years for justice.

After reviewing the state of the criminal courts, Sir Brian
suggested "fundamental" reforms to "reduce the risk of
total system collapse." But some barristers argue juries
are essential for fair justice - and scrapping them is wrong.

. . .

I don't think the UK govt is interested in 'fair'
or 'just' anymore ........

"Milord, this is Fredric ... GUILTY ! Five Years !"

UK is almost gone.
Between the attacks on "free speech" and the prosecution of people
comitting so called "hate speech" they are in serious trouble. While
the UK does not have official laws allowing free speech, it has always
been a judgment call and the laws were highly lenient.
The influx of migrants has set the UK on a path of destruction so they
had better wake up or their culture will be gone.

Ever since they fell for the
rightwing Brexit promises the country
has gone to shit.

Kick the immigrants out!

Regain control of the borders!

We don't to cooperate with anyone!

Now even it's promoters admit their
Trump-style xenophobia backfired.

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On 2025-07-11, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:

pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104plv0$14fq5$[email protected]:

On 2025-07-09, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m808kml0o

Jury-free trials recommended to save courts from 'collapse'

Thousands of cases that would normally be heard in front
of a jury should be decided by judges alone, according
to recommendations made by a former senior judge.

Sir Brian Leveson was asked by the Lord Chancellor to come
up with a series of proposals to reduce the backlog of
cases in the criminal courts.

There are almost 77,000 cases waiting for trial in the
Crown Court in England and Wales - meaning some defendants
and victims are waiting years for justice.

After reviewing the state of the criminal courts, Sir Brian
suggested "fundamental" reforms to "reduce the risk of
total system collapse." But some barristers argue juries
are essential for fair justice - and scrapping them is wrong.

. . .

I don't think the UK govt is interested in 'fair'
or 'just' anymore ........

"Milord, this is Fredric ... GUILTY ! Five Years !"

UK is almost gone.
Between the attacks on "free speech" and the prosecution of people
comitting so called "hate speech" they are in serious trouble. While
the UK does not have official laws allowing free speech, it has always
been a judgment call and the laws were highly lenient.
The influx of migrants has set the UK on a path of destruction so they
had better wake up or their culture will be gone.

Ever since they fell for the
rightwing Brexit promises the country
has gone to shit.

Kick the immigrants out!

Regain control of the borders!

We don't to cooperate with anyone!

Now even it's promoters admit their
Trump-style xenophobia backfired.

I'm sure the ladies in those countries are just overjoyed
at how their country has become a "melting pot".

<https://www.compactmag.com/article/how-australia-stopped-grooming-gangs/?ref=compact-newsletter>

<https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/06/29/four-syrian-migrants-arrested-over-alleged-sexual-assault-of-nine-young-girls-at-german-swimming-pool/>

Open borders do not work no matter what party is responsible.
Certain cultures have no intention of assimilating and that is
dangerous especially when the culture is not even close to that particular country.
You left wingers are absolutely crazy and devoid of all forms of common sense.


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36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the *Snit (AKA Michael Glasser)*, this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004 <https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>

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pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104r12f$1gdu6$[email protected]:

On 2025-07-11, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:

pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
news:104plv0$14fq5$[email protected]:

On 2025-07-09, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m808kml0o

Jury-free trials recommended to save courts from 'collapse'

Thousands of cases that would normally be heard in front
of a jury should be decided by judges alone, according
to recommendations made by a former senior judge.

Sir Brian Leveson was asked by the Lord Chancellor to come
up with a series of proposals to reduce the backlog of
cases in the criminal courts.

There are almost 77,000 cases waiting for trial in the
Crown Court in England and Wales - meaning some defendants
and victims are waiting years for justice.

After reviewing the state of the criminal courts, Sir Brian
suggested "fundamental" reforms to "reduce the risk of
total system collapse." But some barristers argue juries
are essential for fair justice - and scrapping them is wrong.

. . .

I don't think the UK govt is interested in 'fair'
or 'just' anymore ........

"Milord, this is Fredric ... GUILTY ! Five Years !"

UK is almost gone.
Between the attacks on "free speech" and the prosecution of people
comitting so called "hate speech" they are in serious trouble. While
the UK does not have official laws allowing free speech, it has
always been a judgment call and the laws were highly lenient.
The influx of migrants has set the UK on a path of destruction so
they had better wake up or their culture will be gone.

Ever since they fell for the
rightwing Brexit promises the country
has gone to shit.

Kick the immigrants out!

Regain control of the borders!

We don't to cooperate with anyone!

Now even it's promoters admit their
Trump-style xenophobia backfired.

I'm sure the ladies in those countries are just overjoyed
at how their country has become a "melting pot".

<https://www.compactmag.com/article/how-australia-stopped-grooming-gang s/?ref=compact-newsletter>

<https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/06/29/four-syrian-migrants-arres ted-over-alleged-sexual-assault-of-nine-young-girls-at-german-swimming- pool/>

Open borders do not work no matter what party is responsible.
Certain cultures have no intention of assimilating and that is
dangerous especially when the culture is not even close to that
particular country. You left wingers are absolutely crazy and devoid
of all forms of common sense.

Ahem.

The Brexit outrage over immigration
was after 12 years of CONSERVATIVE control
of the government!

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Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 13:27:21 +0000, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]>
wrote:

pothead <[email protected]> wrote

<snip>

Open borders do not work no matter what party is responsible.
Certain cultures have no intention of assimilating and that is
dangerous especially when the culture is not even close to that
particular country. You left wingers are absolutely crazy and devoid
of all forms of common sense.

Ahem.

The Brexit outrage over immigration
was after 12 years of CONSERVATIVE control
of the government!

You gave her a FACT??

Watch out! She's gonna BLOW!!

We gave up on assimilation a long time ago. What the USA is is a place
with certain legal and economic principles. Anybody who agrees to the
rules can come here, worship their gods, step dance, speak their
favourite language, set traditional folk songs to electric guitar.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VljAEA1pb5U>

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chine.bleu wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 13:27:21 +0000, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]>
wrote:

crockpot <[email protected]> wrote

<snip>

Open borders do not work no matter what party is responsible.
Certain cultures have no intention of assimilating and that is
dangerous especially when the culture is not even close to that
particular country. You left wingers are absolutely crazy and devoid
of all forms of common sense.

Ahem.

The Brexit outrage over immigration
was after 12 years of CONSERVATIVE control
of the government!

You gave her a FACT??

Watch out! She's gonna BLOW!!

We gave up on assimilation a long time ago. What the USA is is a place
with certain legal and economic principles. Anybody who agrees to the
rules can come here, worship their gods, step dance, speak their
favourite language, set traditional folk songs to electric guitar.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VljAEA1pb5U>

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxxo7mukfCM&list=RDNxxo7mukfCM&start_radio=1>

Hamsa Lila

<https://avilastreetrecords.com/hamsa-lila/#bio>

Hamsa Lila hit the West Coast music scene hard back in 2001 with their
infectious ‘world trance grooves’ and earned an instant ‘cult status’
following with their memorable performances, rich in traditional influences
from Morocco, West Africa, Brazil, India, the Caribbean and others, with a
strong emphasis on Gnawa and Yoruba flavors. At once, they became known for
marathon dusk-to-dawn non-stop performances, and an overwhelming majority
of fans listing them immediately as their all-time favorite live dance
band.

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2. BE CHEERFUL AT ALL TIMES.
Your doctor leads a busy and trying life and requires all the
gentleness and reassurance he can get.

3. TRY TO SUFFER FROM THE DISEASE FOR WHICH YOU ARE BEING TREATED.
Remember that your doctor has a professional reputation to uphold.

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On 2025-07-12, Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 13:27:21 +0000, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]>
wrote:

pothead <[email protected]> wrote

<snip>

Open borders do not work no matter what party is responsible.
Certain cultures have no intention of assimilating and that is
dangerous especially when the culture is not even close to that
particular country. You left wingers are absolutely crazy and devoid
of all forms of common sense.

Ahem.

The Brexit outrage over immigration
was after 12 years of CONSERVATIVE control
of the government!

You gave her a FACT??

Guess you 2 Einsteins missed the part about "no matter what party
is in control".

RIF.

Watch out! She's gonna BLOW!!

I don't do that.


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pothead

36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the *Snit (AKA Michael Glasser)*, this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004 <https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

chine.bleu wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 13:27:21 +0000, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]>
wrote:

crockpot <[email protected]> wrote

<snip>

Open borders do not work no matter what party is responsible.
Certain cultures have no intention of assimilating and that is
dangerous especially when the culture is not even close to that
particular country. You left wingers are absolutely crazy and devoid >>>>> of all forms of common sense.

Ahem.

The Brexit outrage over immigration
was after 12 years of CONSERVATIVE control
of the government!

You gave her a FACT??

Watch out! She's gonna BLOW!!

We gave up on assimilation a long time ago. What the USA is is a place
with certain legal and economic principles. Anybody who agrees to the
rules can come here, worship their gods, step dance, speak their
favourite language, set traditional folk songs to electric guitar.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VljAEA1pb5U>

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxxo7mukfCM&list=RDNxxo7mukfCM&start_radio=1>

Hamsa Lila

Who plays the synthesiser?

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

<brevsnip>

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxxo7mukfCM&list=RDNxxo7mukfCM&start_radio=1>

Hamsa Lila

Who plays the synthesiser?

They don't need no funking synthesizer!

--
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

chine.bleu wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

<brevsnip>

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxxo7mukfCM&list=RDNxxo7mukfCM&start_radio=1>

Hamsa Lila

Who plays the synthesiser?

They don't need no funking synthesizer!

Stand and fight, we do consider
Reminded of an inner pact between us, that's seen as we go
And ride there, in motion
To fields in depth of honour, defending
Stand the marchers soaring talons
Peaceful lives will not deliver freedom, fighting we know
Destroy oppression, the point to reaction
As leaders look to you, attacking
Choose and renounce, throwing chains to the floor
Kill or be killing, faster sins correct the flow
Casting giant shadows off fast penetrating force
To alter via the war that's seen, as friction spans the spirits wrath
ascending to redeem
Wars that shout in screams of anguish
Power spent passion bespoils our soul receiver, surely we know
In glory we rise to offer
Create our freedom, a word we utter

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