• Signs

    From c186282@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 19:29:35 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival

    Months ago a large build-up of US heavy bombers
    started on Diego Garcia - it includes B2s.

    A couple of days ago a lot of air tankers left
    the USA, headed east.

    The US embassy in Israel is CLOSED and 'non-essential'
    staff being shuttled out of the country or at least
    out into the boondocks.

    The presidential "doomsday plane" has been moved
    From Louisiana to Maryland.

    Trump's rhetoric keeps drifting closer to approving
    at least a few B2 strikes in Iran, aimed at heavily-
    protected locations.

    More and more naval units are scooting towards
    the Persian gulf.

    . . .

    This sounds like something perhaps bigger than
    just a couple of US strikes on Iranian bomb
    factories. COULD be "just in case" stuff, but
    it's an unusually large military build-up.

    Does it mean Iran DOES have some nukes and WILL
    use them on SOMEBODY in the region ?

    Is there a worry about Russia and/or China
    getting involved - both have vested interests
    in Iran.

    Final sign ... Vance is usually very close to Trump,
    if the two are suddenly, widely, separated ...

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  • From Doctor Fill@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 19:34:48 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival

    On 6/18/2025 5:29 PM, c186282 wrote:
    Months ago a large build-up of US heavy bombers
    started on Diego Garcia - it includes B2s.

    A couple of days ago a lot of air tankers left
    the USA, headed east.

    The US embassy in Israel is CLOSED and 'non-essential'
    staff being shuttled out of the country or at least
    out into the boondocks.

    The presidential "doomsday plane" has been moved
    From Louisiana to Maryland.

    Trump's rhetoric keeps drifting closer to approving
    at least a few B2 strikes in Iran, aimed at heavily-
    protected locations.

    More and more naval units are scooting towards
    the Persian gulf.

    . . .

      This sounds like something perhaps bigger than
      just a couple of US strikes on Iranian bomb
      factories. COULD be "just in case" stuff, but
      it's an unusually large military build-up.

      Does it mean Iran DOES have some nukes and WILL
      use them on SOMEBODY in the region ?

      Is there a worry about Russia and/or China
      getting involved - both have vested interests
      in Iran.

      Final sign ... Vance is usually very close to Trump,
      if the two are suddenly, widely, separated ...

    This is informative per the bunker buster bombs, weighing 30,000 pounds
    each.

    https://english.aawsat.com/features/5155431-what-know-about-bunker-buster-bombs-and-iran%E2%80%99s-fordo-nuclear-facility

    If the US decides to support Israel more directly in its attack on Iran,
    one option for Washington would be to provide the "bunker-buster" bombs believed necessary to significantly damage the Fordo nuclear fuel
    enrichment plant, built deeply into a mountain.

    Such a bomb would have to be dropped from an American aircraft, which
    could have wide-ranging ramifications, including jeopardizing any chance
    of Iran engaging in Trump's desired talks on its nuclear program.
    Israeli officials have also suggested that there are other options for
    it to attack Fordo as it seeks to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities.

    But aside from a commando attack on the ground or a nuclear strike, the
    bunker buster bomb seems the most likely option.

    What is the bunker-buster bomb? "Bunker buster" is a broad term used to describe bombs that are designed to penetrate deep below the surface
    before exploding. In this case, it refers to the latest GBU-57 A/B
    Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb in the American arsenal. The roughly
    30,000 pound (13,600 kilogram) precision-guided bomb is designed to
    attack deeply buried and hardened bunkers and tunnels, according to the
    US Air Force.

    It's believed to be able to penetrate about 200 feet (61 meters) below
    the surface before exploding, and the bombs can be dropped one after
    another, effectively drilling deeper and deeper with each successive blast.

    The bomb carries a conventional warhead, but the International Atomic
    Energy Agency has confirmed that Iran is producing highly enriched
    uranium at Fordo, raising the possibility that nuclear material could be released into the area if the GBU-57 A/B were used to hit the facility.

    However, Israeli strikes at another Iranian nuclear site, Natanz, on a centrifuge site have caused contamination only at the site itself, not
    the surrounding area, the IAEA has said.

    How tough a target is Fordo? Fordo is Iran's second nuclear enrichment
    facility after Natanz, its main facility. So far, Israeli strikes aren’t known to have damaged Natanz’s underground enrichment hall, nor have the Israelis targeted tunnels the Iranians are digging nearby.

    Fordo is smaller than Natanz, and is built into the side of a mountain
    near the city of Qom, about 60 miles (95 kilometers) southwest of
    Tehran. Construction is believed to have started around 2006 and it
    became first operational in 2009 — the same year Tehran publicly
    acknowledged its existence.

    In addition to being an estimated 80 meters (260 feet) under rock and
    soil, the site is reportedly protected by Iranian and Russian
    surface-to-air missile systems. Those air defenses, however, likely have already been struck in the Israeli campaign.

    Still, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said the goal of
    attacking Iran was to eliminate its missile and nuclear program, which
    he described as an existential threat to Israel, and officials have said
    Fordo was part of that plan.

    "This entire operation ... really has to be completed with the
    elimination of Fordo," Yechiel Leiter, Israel's ambassador to the US,
    told Fox News on Friday.

    Why does the US need to be involved? In theory, the GBU-57 A/B could be
    dropped by any bomber capable of carrying the weight, but at the moment
    the US has only configured and programed its B-2 Spirit stealth bomber
    to deliver the bomb, according to the Air Force.

    The B-2 is only flown by the Air Force, and is produced by Northrop Grumman.

    According to the manufacturer, the B-2 can carry a payload of 40,000
    pounds (18,000 kilograms) but the US Air Force has said it has
    successfully tested the B-2 loaded with two GBU-57 A/B bunker busters —
    a total weight of some 60,000 pounds (27,200 kilograms).

    The strategic long-range heavy bomber has a range of about 7,000 miles
    (11,000 kilometers) without refueling and 11,500 miles (18,500
    kilometers) with one refueling, and can reach any point in the world
    within hours, according to Northrop Grumman.

    Whether the US would get involved is another matter.

    At the G7 meeting in Canada, Trump was asked what it would take for
    Washington to become involved militarily and he said: "I don't want to
    talk about that."

    In a weekend interview with ABC News, Israeli Ambassador Leiter was
    asked about the possibility of the US helping attack Fordo and he
    emphasized Israel has only asked the US for defensive help.

    "We have a number of contingencies ... which will enable us to deal with Fordo," he said.

    "Not everything is a matter of, you know, taking to the skies and
    bombing from afar."

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Doctor Fill on Wed Jun 18 23:57:34 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival

    On 6/18/25 9:34 PM, Doctor Fill wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 5:29 PM, c186282 wrote:
    Months ago a large build-up of US heavy bombers
    started on Diego Garcia - it includes B2s.

    A couple of days ago a lot of air tankers left
    the USA, headed east.

    The US embassy in Israel is CLOSED and 'non-essential'
    staff being shuttled out of the country or at least
    out into the boondocks.

    The presidential "doomsday plane" has been moved
     From Louisiana to Maryland.

    Trump's rhetoric keeps drifting closer to approving
    at least a few B2 strikes in Iran, aimed at heavily-
    protected locations.

    More and more naval units are scooting towards
    the Persian gulf.

    . . .

       This sounds like something perhaps bigger than
       just a couple of US strikes on Iranian bomb
       factories. COULD be "just in case" stuff, but
       it's an unusually large military build-up.

       Does it mean Iran DOES have some nukes and WILL
       use them on SOMEBODY in the region ?

       Is there a worry about Russia and/or China
       getting involved - both have vested interests
       in Iran.

       Final sign ... Vance is usually very close to Trump,
       if the two are suddenly, widely, separated ...

    This is informative per the bunker buster bombs, weighing 30,000 pounds
    each.

    https://english.aawsat.com/features/5155431-what-know-about-bunker-buster-bombs-and-iran%E2%80%99s-fordo-nuclear-facility


    If the US decides to support Israel more directly in its attack on Iran,
    one option for Washington would be to provide the "bunker-buster" bombs believed necessary to significantly damage the Fordo nuclear fuel
    enrichment plant, built deeply into a mountain.

    Such a bomb would have to be dropped from an American aircraft, which
    could have wide-ranging ramifications, including jeopardizing any chance
    of Iran engaging in Trump's desired talks on its nuclear program.
    Israeli officials have also suggested that there are other options for
    it to attack Fordo as it seeks to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities.

    But aside from a commando attack on the ground or a nuclear strike, the bunker buster bomb seems the most likely option.

    What is the bunker-buster bomb? "Bunker buster" is a broad term used to describe bombs that are designed to penetrate deep below the surface
    before exploding. In this case, it refers to the latest GBU-57 A/B
    Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb in the American arsenal. The roughly
    30,000 pound (13,600 kilogram) precision-guided bomb is designed to
    attack deeply buried and hardened bunkers and tunnels, according to the
    US Air Force.

    It's believed to be able to penetrate about 200 feet (61 meters) below
    the surface before exploding, and the bombs can be dropped one after
    another, effectively drilling deeper and deeper with each successive blast.

    The bomb carries a conventional warhead, but the International Atomic
    Energy Agency has confirmed that Iran is producing highly enriched
    uranium at Fordo, raising the possibility that nuclear material could be released into the area if the GBU-57 A/B were used to hit the facility.

    However, Israeli strikes at another Iranian nuclear site, Natanz, on a centrifuge site have caused contamination only at the site itself, not
    the surrounding area, the IAEA has said.

    How tough a target is Fordo? Fordo is Iran's second nuclear enrichment facility after Natanz, its main facility. So far, Israeli strikes aren’t known to have damaged Natanz’s underground enrichment hall, nor have the Israelis targeted tunnels the Iranians are digging nearby.

    Fordo is smaller than Natanz, and is built into the side of a mountain
    near the city of Qom, about 60 miles (95 kilometers) southwest of
    Tehran. Construction is believed to have started around 2006 and it
    became first operational in 2009 — the same year Tehran publicly acknowledged its existence.

    In addition to being an estimated 80 meters (260 feet) under rock and
    soil, the site is reportedly protected by Iranian and Russian
    surface-to-air missile systems. Those air defenses, however, likely have already been struck in the Israeli campaign.

    Still, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said the goal of attacking Iran was to eliminate its missile and nuclear program, which
    he described as an existential threat to Israel, and officials have said Fordo was part of that plan.

    "This entire operation ... really has to be completed with the
    elimination of Fordo," Yechiel Leiter, Israel's ambassador to the US,
    told Fox News on Friday.

    Why does the US need to be involved? In theory, the GBU-57 A/B could be dropped by any bomber capable of carrying the weight, but at the moment
    the US has only configured and programed its B-2 Spirit stealth bomber
    to deliver the bomb, according to the Air Force.

    The B-2 is only flown by the Air Force, and is produced by Northrop
    Grumman.

    According to the manufacturer, the B-2 can carry a payload of 40,000
    pounds (18,000 kilograms) but the US Air Force has said it has
    successfully tested the B-2 loaded with two GBU-57 A/B bunker busters —
    a total weight of some 60,000 pounds (27,200 kilograms).

    The strategic long-range heavy bomber has a range of about 7,000 miles (11,000 kilometers) without refueling and 11,500 miles (18,500
    kilometers) with one refueling, and can reach any point in the world
    within hours, according to Northrop Grumman.

    Whether the US would get involved is another matter.

    SOME reporters say that Trump, and some mil, are not
    entirely convinced a few whacks by those weapons
    WOULD breech the Iranian under-mountain complex.
    This is a PROBLEM ... someone would have to go
    there and CONFIRM.

    IMHO, the Iranians have had SOME nukes for a few
    years now ... it's old tech, not so hard. We
    KNOW Iran has had secret development centers
    for quite awhile, places the agencies can't get
    into. BET they've been making 90+ percent U235
    for awhile. Might have even bought some black
    market Russian bombs/plutonium when the USSR
    was falling apart. NK brags ... Iran hasn't.

    At the G7 meeting in Canada, Trump was asked what it would take for Washington to become involved militarily and he said: "I don't want to
    talk about that."

    In a weekend interview with ABC News, Israeli Ambassador Leiter was
    asked about the possibility of the US helping attack Fordo and he
    emphasized Israel has only asked the US for defensive help.

    "We have a number of contingencies ... which will enable us to deal with Fordo," he said.

    "Not everything is a matter of, you know, taking to the skies and
    bombing from afar."

    It's a COMPLEX situation alas. No really CLEAR answers
    or paths to best success. There are military and
    political issues out the wazoo.

    Not everything is easy.

    Well, within the next week we'll see how it all
    works out, better or worse.

    SOME of the stuff I've been hearing - like the POTUS
    "doomsday plane" being moved close to DC - are kind
    of concerning. Has Iran skipped planes/rockets and
    just used Fed-Ex to bring nukes into the USA and
    EU and Israeli cities ??? No, they're NOT detectable
    on the whole. What the UberAyatollah has been saying
    kind of SUGGESTS a pre-arranged attack program.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 21:21:37 2025
    XPost: alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival

    On 18/6/25 20:57, c186282 wrote:
    SOME reporters say that Trump, and some mil, are not
    entirely convinced a few whacks by those weapons
    WOULD breech the Iranian under-mountain complex.
    This is a PROBLEM ... someone would have to go
    there and CONFIRM.


    More important, at the moment TACO is dealing with crippling
    flagpole envy.

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