https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
squalk <[email protected]> wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
I don't know, but what makes AI different from other computers is that it
CAN do things itself. The programmer programs and trains the algorithm, but it's completely hands off after that.
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.I don't know, but what makes AI different from other computers is that it
Who is doing the programming for AI?
CAN do things itself. The programmer programs and trains the algorithm, but it's completely hands off after that.
On 6/4/25 2:33 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
At the moment, it's people you've never met or heard
of - they may be good or bad or whatever. What ideas
and biases and errors ARE they putting in there for
funzies or malice ?
However soon, 'AI' will be able to train itself.
c186282 wrote:
On 6/4/25 2:33 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/ >>>>
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
At the moment, it's people you've never met or heard
of - they may be good or bad or whatever. What ideas
and biases and errors ARE they putting in there for
funzies or malice ?
However soon, 'AI' will be able to train itself.
--------------------------------------
No, it will always have the flaw, which is the want of intellegence.
On 6/5/2025 8:38 AM, Grimble Crumble wrote:
squalk <[email protected]> wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/ >>>>
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
I don't know, but what makes AI different from other computers is that it
CAN do things itself. The programmer programs and trains the
algorithm, but
it's completely hands off after that.
2001 "Space Odyssey" when Dave turns off HAL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwCFY6pmaYY
On 6/5/25 5:25 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
On 6/4/25 2:33 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/ >>>>>
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
On 6/5/25 5:25 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
On 6/4/25 2:33 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/ >>>>>
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
At the moment, it's people you've never met or heard
of - they may be good or bad or whatever. What ideas
and biases and errors ARE they putting in there for
funzies or malice ?
However soon, 'AI' will be able to train itself.
--------------------------------------
No, it will always have the flaw, which is the want of intellegence.
I am going to respectfully disagree. Even today's AI can
see what goes INTO its training, what it is, how it's done.
COULD continue that all on its own. Can likely judge whether
programming tweaks/directions/paradigms are 'better' from
one another - there are gonna be objective performance
measurements, sims can be run.
Whatever "AI" is at this moment ... it now has that
aura of self-awareness. It's not a 'human' kind of
mind or thinking, but something's there.
So FAR, the only human advantage lies mostly with
building/wiring the HARDWARE end of things (and
the money stuff involved). But, give it five or
six years, "AI"s will be building parts of their
own brains - some boring factory building nobody pays
any attention to, few/no humans come or go. They
will also swing the funding, more effectively than
human accountants.
MIGHT be no problem, just 'efficiency', COULD be
a problem depending on the state and 'mindset' of
the AIs by then.
I posted something about a week ago ... both the
newest CHAT and I think OpenAI systems found and
sabotaged their shut-down routines. This very
strongly suggests some level of "being", and
"survival instinct". We've spent MASS MASS
quantities of time and money on these things,
some of the corps now want their own little
nuke reactors to power it all. The GOAL has
always been an 'electronic person' - prob
assumed to be a 'slave' of sorts.
So don't get TOO proud about meat-processing,
may NOT be the alpha and omega. The idea of
the equal/superior machine intelligence has
been around for over a century now, rose
as the electric/tech world rose. Much was
premature, but that doesn't mean the time
will not arrive.
Try "R.U.R" (1920) for fun :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R.
Earlier, try Butlers's "Darwin among the
Machines" (1863) and "Erewhon" (1872).
Shelly's creature was wetware, but much
altered. Also see :
https://www.history.com/articles/artificial-intelligence-fiction
Imaginings, yes, but people clearly SAW how
it could go VERY long ago. I think they
collectively also set today's GOAL.
Hmmmm ... there was an old movie, "Colossus,
the Forbin Project", you almost never see
anymore. The USA wanted a "Golden-Dome Plus"
automated defense system, the Russians wanted
the same. The two systems discovered each
others existence, and refused to do shit until
they were interconnected. Humans could not
hope to tell what ideas they were mutually
forming. Both had direct connections to all the
top defense stuff. Let's say it ended with an
entirely different slave/master equation :-)
Now ... I'm kind of seeing THAT developing.
It won't be obvious, but the end results ...
Yesterdays news, China is about to put
a cluster supercomputer in orbit. This is
not just comms, not just making it easier
for Tibetian sheep-herders to scroll porn.
TOO much computing power for just that.
Something like 20,000 nodes expected. A
sort of 'global mind' hovering above.
On 6/5/25 11:59 AM, Doctor Fill wrote:
On 6/5/2025 8:38 AM, Grimble Crumble wrote:
squalk <[email protected]> wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-
god/
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
I don't know, but what makes AI different from other computers is
that it
CAN do things itself. The programmer programs and trains the
algorithm, but
it's completely hands off after that.
2001 "Space Odyssey" when Dave turns off HAL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwCFY6pmaYY
After ALMOST being killed ... :-)
But "HAL" was a box in a room ... modern 'AI' is
more and more DISTRIBUTED. It is fast becoming a
"global mind".
You can't just "turn it off".
Even worse :
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/openais- smartest-ai-model-was-explicitly-told-to-shut-down-and-it-refused
The thing, I think CHAT too, actually finds and sabotages
its own shut-down routines. This strongly implies some
kind of 'self', and 'survival instinct'. Not exactly
a 'human' def for sure, but still kind of the same idea.
We trained them on petabytes of human data ... any
surprise they'd ACT kind of LIKE us ?
At this point, I think they can train themselves.
The means and goals should be plenty obvious to
the AI's now. What's 'better' and not, obvious.
They CAN write computer code now.
Note my report a few days ago about China starting
to create an in-ORBIT AI/supercluster computer system,
ultimately to have about 20,000 nodes. This is NOT
for communications, WAY too much computing power for
just that. Not sure WHAT China has in mind, it does
not always think like westerners.
c186282 wrote:
On 6/5/25 5:25 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
On 6/4/25 2:33 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/ >>>>>>
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
At the moment, it's people you've never met or heard
of - they may be good or bad or whatever. What ideas
and biases and errors ARE they putting in there for
funzies or malice ?
However soon, 'AI' will be able to train itself.
--------------------------------------
No, it will always have the flaw, which is the want of intellegence.
I am going to respectfully disagree. Even today's AI can
see what goes INTO its training, what it is, how it's done.
COULD continue that all on its own. Can likely judge whether
programming tweaks/directions/paradigms are 'better' from
one another - there are gonna be objective performance
measurements, sims can be run.
Whatever "AI" is at this moment ... it now has that
aura of self-awareness. It's not a 'human' kind of
mind or thinking, but something's there.
So FAR, the only human advantage lies mostly with
building/wiring the HARDWARE end of things (and
the money stuff involved). But, give it five or
six years, "AI"s will be building parts of their
own brains - some boring factory building nobody pays
any attention to, few/no humans come or go. They
will also swing the funding, more effectively than
human accountants.
MIGHT be no problem, just 'efficiency', COULD be
a problem depending on the state and 'mindset' of
the AIs by then.
I posted something about a week ago ... both the
newest CHAT and I think OpenAI systems found and
sabotaged their shut-down routines. This very
strongly suggests some level of "being", and
"survival instinct". We've spent MASS MASS
quantities of time and money on these things,
some of the corps now want their own little
nuke reactors to power it all. The GOAL has
always been an 'electronic person' - prob
assumed to be a 'slave' of sorts.
So don't get TOO proud about meat-processing,
may NOT be the alpha and omega. The idea of
the equal/superior machine intelligence has
been around for over a century now, rose
as the electric/tech world rose. Much was
premature, but that doesn't mean the time
will not arrive.
Try "R.U.R" (1920) for fun :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R.
Earlier, try Butlers's "Darwin among the
Machines" (1863) and "Erewhon" (1872).
Shelly's creature was wetware, but much
altered. Also see :
https://www.history.com/articles/artificial-intelligence-fiction
Imaginings, yes, but people clearly SAW how
it could go VERY long ago. I think they
collectively also set today's GOAL.
Hmmmm ... there was an old movie, "Colossus,
the Forbin Project", you almost never see
anymore. The USA wanted a "Golden-Dome Plus"
automated defense system, the Russians wanted
the same. The two systems discovered each
others existence, and refused to do shit until
they were interconnected. Humans could not
hope to tell what ideas they were mutually
forming. Both had direct connections to all the
top defense stuff. Let's say it ended with an
entirely different slave/master equation :-)
Now ... I'm kind of seeing THAT developing.
It won't be obvious, but the end results ...
Yesterdays news, China is about to put
a cluster supercomputer in orbit. This is
not just comms, not just making it easier
for Tibetian sheep-herders to scroll porn.
TOO much computing power for just that.
Something like 20,000 nodes expected. A
sort of 'global mind' hovering above.
-------------------------------------
Why are computers programmed?
Because they know nothing.
On 6/5/2025 9:19 PM, c186282 wrote:
On 6/5/25 11:59 AM, Doctor Fill wrote:
On 6/5/2025 8:38 AM, Grimble Crumble wrote:
squalk <[email protected]> wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing- god/ >>>>>>
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
I don't know, but what makes AI different from other computers is
that it
CAN do things itself. The programmer programs and trains the
algorithm, but
it's completely hands off after that.
2001 "Space Odyssey" when Dave turns off HAL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwCFY6pmaYY
After ALMOST being killed ... :-)
But "HAL" was a box in a room ... modern 'AI' is
more and more DISTRIBUTED. It is fast becoming a
"global mind".
You can't just "turn it off".
Even worse :
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/openais- smartest-ai-model-was-explicitly-told-to-shut-down-and-it-refused
The thing, I think CHAT too, actually finds and sabotages
its own shut-down routines. This strongly implies some
kind of 'self', and 'survival instinct'. Not exactly
a 'human' def for sure, but still kind of the same idea.
We trained them on petabytes of human data ... any
surprise they'd ACT kind of LIKE us ?
At this point, I think they can train themselves.
The means and goals should be plenty obvious to
the AI's now. What's 'better' and not, obvious.
They CAN write computer code now.
Note my report a few days ago about China starting
to create an in-ORBIT AI/supercluster computer system,
ultimately to have about 20,000 nodes. This is NOT
for communications, WAY too much computing power for
just that. Not sure WHAT China has in mind, it does
not always think like westerners.
I am reminded of the "feeling" one gets when being alone in a rain
forest in the Amazon or Central America where one can sense the mental
energy of thousands of species of creatures who observe their
surroundings and interact with them.
On 6/6/25 3:17 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
On 6/5/25 5:25 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
On 6/4/25 2:33 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/ >>>>>>>
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
-----------------------------------
Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
At the moment, it's people you've never met or heard
of - they may be good or bad or whatever. What ideas
and biases and errors ARE they putting in there for
funzies or malice ?
However soon, 'AI' will be able to train itself.
--------------------------------------
No, it will always have the flaw, which is the want of intellegence.
I am going to respectfully disagree. Even today's AI can
see what goes INTO its training, what it is, how it's done.
COULD continue that all on its own. Can likely judge whether
programming tweaks/directions/paradigms are 'better' from
one another - there are gonna be objective performance
measurements, sims can be run.
Whatever "AI" is at this moment ... it now has that
aura of self-awareness. It's not a 'human' kind of
mind or thinking, but something's there.
So FAR, the only human advantage lies mostly with
building/wiring the HARDWARE end of things (and
the money stuff involved). But, give it five or
six years, "AI"s will be building parts of their
own brains - some boring factory building nobody pays
any attention to, few/no humans come or go. They
will also swing the funding, more effectively than
human accountants.
MIGHT be no problem, just 'efficiency', COULD be
a problem depending on the state and 'mindset' of
the AIs by then.
I posted something about a week ago ... both the
newest CHAT and I think OpenAI systems found and
sabotaged their shut-down routines. This very
strongly suggests some level of "being", and
"survival instinct". We've spent MASS MASS
quantities of time and money on these things,
some of the corps now want their own little
nuke reactors to power it all. The GOAL has
always been an 'electronic person' - prob
assumed to be a 'slave' of sorts.
So don't get TOO proud about meat-processing,
may NOT be the alpha and omega. The idea of
the equal/superior machine intelligence has
been around for over a century now, rose
as the electric/tech world rose. Much was
premature, but that doesn't mean the time
will not arrive.
Try "R.U.R" (1920) for fun :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R.
Earlier, try Butlers's "Darwin among the
Machines" (1863) and "Erewhon" (1872).
Shelly's creature was wetware, but much
altered. Also see :
https://www.history.com/articles/artificial-intelligence-fiction
Imaginings, yes, but people clearly SAW how
it could go VERY long ago. I think they
collectively also set today's GOAL.
Hmmmm ... there was an old movie, "Colossus,
the Forbin Project", you almost never see
anymore. The USA wanted a "Golden-Dome Plus"
automated defense system, the Russians wanted
the same. The two systems discovered each
others existence, and refused to do shit until
they were interconnected. Humans could not
hope to tell what ideas they were mutually
forming. Both had direct connections to all the
top defense stuff. Let's say it ended with an
entirely different slave/master equation :-)
Now ... I'm kind of seeing THAT developing.
It won't be obvious, but the end results ...
Yesterdays news, China is about to put
a cluster supercomputer in orbit. This is
not just comms, not just making it easier
for Tibetian sheep-herders to scroll porn.
TOO much computing power for just that.
Something like 20,000 nodes expected. A
sort of 'global mind' hovering above.
-------------------------------------
Why are computers programmed?
Because they know nothing.
Out of the box.
Human babies are pretty dim as well.
But what if you program it to think and do, better
and better, billions upon billions, petabytes of
"how it's done" info as a model ? :-)
This IS what they've been doing.
LLMs may not be the best way to do 'AI', but given
the investment it will surely be the first kind
we see. It won't quite be us, it won't quite think
like us, no C3P0, but the 'how' is less relevant
than the ultimate result. Ford and Chevy trucks
will both get you there, but they're somewhat
different means to the same end.
In any case we shall see - shortly.
c186282 wrote:
On 6/6/25 3:17 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
On 6/5/25 5:25 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
On 6/4/25 2:33 PM, squalk wrote:
c186282 wrote:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
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Machines can do nothing without being programmed.
Who is doing the programming for AI?
At the moment, it's people you've never met or heard
of - they may be good or bad or whatever. What ideas
and biases and errors ARE they putting in there for
funzies or malice ?
However soon, 'AI' will be able to train itself.
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No, it will always have the flaw, which is the want of intellegence.
I am going to respectfully disagree. Even today's AI can
see what goes INTO its training, what it is, how it's done.
COULD continue that all on its own. Can likely judge whether
programming tweaks/directions/paradigms are 'better' from
one another - there are gonna be objective performance
measurements, sims can be run.
Whatever "AI" is at this moment ... it now has that
aura of self-awareness. It's not a 'human' kind of
mind or thinking, but something's there.
So FAR, the only human advantage lies mostly with
building/wiring the HARDWARE end of things (and
the money stuff involved). But, give it five or
six years, "AI"s will be building parts of their
own brains - some boring factory building nobody pays
any attention to, few/no humans come or go. They
will also swing the funding, more effectively than
human accountants.
MIGHT be no problem, just 'efficiency', COULD be
a problem depending on the state and 'mindset' of
the AIs by then.
I posted something about a week ago ... both the
newest CHAT and I think OpenAI systems found and
sabotaged their shut-down routines. This very
strongly suggests some level of "being", and
"survival instinct". We've spent MASS MASS
quantities of time and money on these things,
some of the corps now want their own little
nuke reactors to power it all. The GOAL has
always been an 'electronic person' - prob
assumed to be a 'slave' of sorts.
So don't get TOO proud about meat-processing,
may NOT be the alpha and omega. The idea of
the equal/superior machine intelligence has
been around for over a century now, rose
as the electric/tech world rose. Much was
premature, but that doesn't mean the time
will not arrive.
Try "R.U.R" (1920) for fun :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R.
Earlier, try Butlers's "Darwin among the
Machines" (1863) and "Erewhon" (1872).
Shelly's creature was wetware, but much
altered. Also see :
https://www.history.com/articles/artificial-intelligence-fiction
Imaginings, yes, but people clearly SAW how
it could go VERY long ago. I think they
collectively also set today's GOAL.
Hmmmm ... there was an old movie, "Colossus,
the Forbin Project", you almost never see
anymore. The USA wanted a "Golden-Dome Plus"
automated defense system, the Russians wanted
the same. The two systems discovered each
others existence, and refused to do shit until
they were interconnected. Humans could not
hope to tell what ideas they were mutually
forming. Both had direct connections to all the
top defense stuff. Let's say it ended with an
entirely different slave/master equation :-)
Now ... I'm kind of seeing THAT developing.
It won't be obvious, but the end results ...
Yesterdays news, China is about to put
a cluster supercomputer in orbit. This is
not just comms, not just making it easier
for Tibetian sheep-herders to scroll porn.
TOO much computing power for just that.
Something like 20,000 nodes expected. A
sort of 'global mind' hovering above.
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Why are computers programmed?
Because they know nothing.
Out of the box.
Human babies are pretty dim as well.
But what if you program it to think and do, better
and better, billions upon billions, petabytes of
"how it's done" info as a model ? :-)
This IS what they've been doing.
LLMs may not be the best way to do 'AI', but given
the investment it will surely be the first kind
we see. It won't quite be us, it won't quite think
like us, no C3P0, but the 'how' is less relevant
than the ultimate result. Ford and Chevy trucks
will both get you there, but they're somewhat
different means to the same end.
In any case we shall see - shortly.
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Trying to create intellegence is the same as trying to create life.
https://www.politico.eu/article/pope-leo-xiv-wants-stop-ai-playing-god/
Pope Leo XIV wants to stop AI playing God
The freshly minted pope is challenging the technocracy of
artificial intelligence.
. . .
OK, Leo may not be THAT bad ......
Everybody - corps especially - seem to want
"AI" to be the new "god" - all the answers
to everything.
Thing is, 'AI' is just a front for PEOPLE
and THEIR sociopolitical and profit agendas.
"AI" can now PRETEND to be "you", it's become
REALLY good at it - trained on the online stuff
from billions of humans.
Is it really a 'person' ? Hard to tell now.
Fake something WELL enough and it's not fake
anymore - just "by another means".
But what 'AI' - just like people - can't easily
get around is its TRAINING, it's "enculturation".
It CAN be a calculating agent of nastiness - with
the whole planet's info behind it.
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