Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the government’s commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US ‘alliance.’
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.
On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests. . .
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the government’s commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US ‘alliance.’
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.
Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.
On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the interests. . .
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The
interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a
very poor second to the government’s commitment to the USA. There is
only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US ‘alliance.’
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the
green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at
Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about
these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.
Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones <https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ>
https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.
Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such
as those developed under the Pentagon’s Collaborative Combat Aircraft
(CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.
Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making
tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI
agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.
Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.
Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited
human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.
Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone
escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be considered “attritable,” meaning they are designed to be expendable if necessary.
Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program Top Speed Range Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie 1,050 km/h 3,941 km Autonomous escort, strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) ~900 km/h N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI) N/A N/A Swarm surveillance, autonomous multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz
Rod Speed wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2025 10:44:39 +1000, MightyMouse
<[email protected]> wrote:
Petzl wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:On Sat, 10 May 2025 17:48:44 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the. . .
interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The >>>>>> interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a >>>>>> very poor second to the government’s commitment to the USA. There is >>>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US ‘alliance.’ >>>>>>
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about >>>>>> these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.
Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.
On 5/10/25 2:12 AM, Cesar wrote:The nuclear multi-warhead missles fired from them are not
Once more the Albanese government has made it clear that the. . .
interests
of Australia, its sovereignty and independence, are irrelevant. The >>>>>> interests and security of the Australian people and the region come a >>>>>> very poor second to the government’s commitment to the USA. There is >>>>>> only one interest worth pursuing and that is the US ‘alliance.’ >>>>>>
It has just been revealed that the Albanese government has given the >>>>>> green light for American B-52H Stratofortress bombers to be based at >>>>>> Tindal RAAF base in the Northern Territory. What is significant about >>>>>> these bombers is that they are capable of carrying and deploying
strategic nuclear weapons.
Ummm ... how USEFUL are B52s these days ? They're
big and slow and not stealthy. Even Iran can shoot
them down easily. Missiles/drones are the functional
replacements.
They are also escorted by superfast AI operated drones
<https://www.perplexity.ai/search/superfast-ai-operated-drone-es-dR287tUiTUC1fNfPHHkfgQ>
https://tinyurl.Overview of Superfast AI-Operated Drone Escorts
Superfast AI-operated drone escorts represent a rapidly advancing
field in both military and civilian aviation, leveraging artificial
intelligence to autonomously support, protect, or augment manned and
unmanned assets.
Key Features and Capabilities
High Speed and Maneuverability: Modern AI-operated combat drones, such >>>> as those developed under the Pentagon’s Collaborative Combat Aircraft >>>> (CCA) program, are designed to reach speeds up to 900 km/h and perform >>>> complex maneuvers to escort, protect, and attack alongside manned
aircraft.
Autonomous Operation: These drones are capable of flying and making
tactical decisions independently, with minimal human intervention. AI
agents can control flight, navigation, and mission execution,
including offensive and defensive actions.
Mission Flexibility: AI drone escorts can be equipped for various
roles, including surveillance, electronic warfare, direct attack, and
communications relay. They can carry weapons, sensors, or jamming
equipment, acting as force multipliers for piloted aircraft.
Swarm Coordination: Advanced AI enables multiple drones to operate
cooperatively as swarms, coordinating complex missions with limited
human oversight, significantly enhancing battlefield effectiveness.
Cost Efficiency: Compared to manned fighter jets, AI-operated drone
escorts like the XQ-58A Valkyrie are much less expensive and can be
considered “attritable,” meaning they are designed to be expendable if >>>> necessary.
Notable Programs and Examples
Drone Model/Program Top Speed Range Role/Capability
XQ-58A Valkyrie 1,050 km/h 3,941 km Autonomous escort, >>>> strike, surveillance, team with fighters
CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) ~900 km/h N/A Escort,
scout, attack, communication relay, expendable
V-Bat Teams (Shield AI) N/A N/A Swarm surveillance, autonomous
multi-drone operationscom/3bspfzyz
unmanned aircraft and drones are the way warfare is headed now
We'll see...
You can't seize territory using just those
you can do anything with anything if you know how
On Fri, 16 May 2025 00:36:55 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:<snip>
The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.
Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?
Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.
I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.
It's advantage is payload. It's big so it can carry a *lot* of
ordnance.
50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???
Artillery is even older.
B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.
The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.
The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.
Yes. Skynet.
Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.
I don't think they're lagging that much, but events have overtaken
them. The Europeans are being kicked out of the nest and the
Americans are skimming cream all over the place.
THEY know it. Very bad.
We ALL know it. Good.
Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still
using it?
The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?
However it's TRUE.
Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.
I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.
Iran MAY provide them with it however ...
It's advantage is payload. It's big so it can carry a *lot* of
ordnance.
Yea, but mostly STUPID ordinance. MIGHT hit within
a quarter mile ...
50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???
Artillery is even older.
THAT still seems to have a place, regardless of
age. Modern artillery can be VERY accurate.
B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.
The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.
The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.
Yes. Skynet.
Kinda ....
Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.
I don't think they're lagging that much, but events have overtaken
them. The Europeans are being kicked out of the nest and the
Americans are skimming cream all over the place.
The USA relies TOO much on last-century mil-tech.
On 5/18/25 9:45 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 00:36:55 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:<snip>
The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.
Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?
The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?
However it's TRUE.
Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.
I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.
Iran MAY provide them with it however ...
B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.
The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.
The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.
Yes. Skynet.
Kinda ....
On Mon, 19 May 2025 02:11:20 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/18/25 9:45 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2025 00:36:55 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 5/15/25 9:34 AM, % wrote:<snip>
The previous poster keeps listing supposed FIXES
for the fault of the B-52s ... special add-on
defenses. Thing is, it just confirms that the
things are OBSOLETE ... need lots and LOTS of
"help" that may, or may not, be adequate.
Exactly. The B-52 is an expression of the first fifty years of
aviation. We're well over a century into it now and still using it?
The other poster does NOT want to admit it.
MAYbe old B-52 crew ?
However it's TRUE.
Large sub-sonic un-stealthy aircraft are PRIME
TARGETS for even 3rd-world air defenses these
days. Shit, even the Houthi could take a lot
of them down.
I doubt the Houthi have the capability to take out a B-52.
Iran MAY provide them with it however ...
It's advantage is payload. It's big so it can carry a *lot* of
ordnance.
Yea, but mostly STUPID ordinance. MIGHT hit within
a quarter mile ...
Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.
50s tech was great in the 50s. These are NOT
the 50s anymore. Plan to bring back horse
soldiers with swords ???
Artillery is even older.
THAT still seems to have a place, regardless of
age. Modern artillery can be VERY accurate.
B-52s and a number of other old solutions need
to be RETIRED immediately, the money sent elsewhere.
The last one was built in October, 1952 . . . before even *I* was
born. Google AI says it averages 25M annually to maintain.
The FUTURE is drones and hyper-sonics and missiles
and 'AI' brains powering everything.
Yes. Skynet.
Kinda ....
Russia knows it. China knows it. The USA/EU seems
to be lagging well behind the equation. This will
mean DECISIVE defeats in any new skirmish/wars.
I don't think they're lagging that much, but events have overtaken
them. The Europeans are being kicked out of the nest and the
Americans are skimming cream all over the place.
The USA relies TOO much on last-century mil-tech.
The US is cutting edge. What planet are you on?
Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.
On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world that is a century old.
Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern
standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.
It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as above brand new bits and bobs can be added keeping it up to date.
The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop stuff that
goes bang on an enemy.
Navies use war ships that are a century old.
On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:
Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It'sIt becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the plane is >> completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those showing wear are >> replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as above brand new bits and bobs
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern
standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.
can be added keeping it up to date.
The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop stuff that
goes bang on an enemy.
Navies use war ships that are a century old.
Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world that is
a century old.
On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world
Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern
standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles
up.
It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the
plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those
showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as above
brand new bits and bobs can be added keeping it up to date.
The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop
stuff that goes bang on an enemy.
Navies use war ships that are a century old.
that is a century old.
On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the
Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart
weapons. It's
radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated
to modern
standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from
six miles
up.
It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years
the plane is completely disassembled and all parts are
examined. Those showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is
reassembled. And as above brand new bits and bobs can be added
keeping it up to date.
The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to
drop stuff that goes bang on an enemy.
Navies use war ships that are a century old.
world that is a century old.
On Wed, 21 May 2025 19:03:13 -0400, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/21/25 17:20, Gary Roselles wrote:
On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world
Um, no. Keep up. The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons. It's >>>>> radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to modern >>>>> standards. A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six miles >>>>> up.
It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the
plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those
showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as above >>>> brand new bits and bobs can be added keeping it up to date.
The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop
stuff that goes bang on an enemy.
Navies use war ships that are a century old.
that is a century old.
The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned, so it is technically
still an active and deployable ship. They just had it out sailing in
Boston Harbor earlier this month.
-hh
Doesn't count. It's a museum piece.
Anybody know of a ship over a century old still being used and
deployed by any navy?
On Fri, 23 May 2025 14:44:53 +1000, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/22/25 10:36 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 19:03:13 -0400, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/21/25 17:20, Gary Roselles wrote:�Doesn't count.� It's a museum piece.
On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
On 21/5/25 1:21, Governor Swill wrote:Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the
Um, no.� Keep up.� The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons.� It's >>>>>>> radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to
modern
standards.� A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass from six >>>>>>> miles
up.
It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the >>>>>> plane is completely disassembled and all parts are examined. Those >>>>>> showing wear are replaced. Then the plane is reassembled. And as
above
brand new bits and bobs can be added keeping it up to date.
The B52 will continue to be used as long as it the best way to drop >>>>>> stuff that goes bang on an enemy.
Navies use war ships that are a century old.
world
that is a century old.
The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned, so it is technically >>>> still an active and deployable ship.� They just had it out sailing in
Boston Harbor earlier this month.
-hh
�Anybody know of a ship over a century old still being used and
deployed by any navy?
�� A couple of the old WW-2 battleships
Nothing even remotely like a century old
�� were used
�� during the Reagan era to fair effect. Impressive
�� fire-power, even with old 'analog' targeting.
B52s leave that for dead. Cruise missiles in spades and
vastly cheaper than keeping those old hulks floating
�� They MAY still be at least "semi-active". I know
�� they're kept ready, even semi-armed.
�� Now a wooden SAILING ship ... kinda limited uses there.
�� EXCEPT maybe after a big EMP attack
Lebanon never had anything even remotely like that capability
or solar giga-flare.
Wont stop a B2
�� Low-tech IS still a good backup.
B52 isnt low tech
�� Don't be TOO quick
�� to throw stuff in the garbage bin. I still have some
�� short-wave radios ... CAN get info from anywhere,
�� any time.
More bullshit.
�� Oh, still have some PAPER bank instruments ? Actual
�� CASH money ? If Vlad/Xi have their way they CAN turn
�� off ALL the e-commerce shit in an instant and KEEP
�� it off for a long time.
More bullshit
�� Do you even have any paper
�� statements to prove what you have where ???
Dont need that
�� Alas the� more common answer these days is "No".
�� Me, OLD school - have lots of paper. Hard to argue
�� with ink on paper.
Pity about when the house burns down
�� Things go to shit I *will* still
�� have claim and some access to my assets. 1959 level
�� is better than NO level.
Not when the bank has gone bust and they still do that
�� Get it ?
Nothing to get
�� As for 'analog' targeting ... SURPRISINGLY good.
�� They really knew their shit, even in the 1940s.
�� Digital is great - but ALSO far easier to hack
�� and corrupt.
Bullshit
Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote
Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote
Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
Siri Cruz <[email protected]> wrote
Governor Swill wrote
Um, no.� Keep up.� The B-52 carries an array of smart weapons.� It's >>>>>>> radar, avionics, computers and sensors have all been updated to
modern� standards.� A B-52 could stick missile up a camel's ass
from six
miles� up.
It becomes a Ship of Theseus. Like an airliner every few years the >>>>>> plane� is completely disassembled and all parts are examined.
Bullshit
Cite?
YOU made that stupid claim about completely disassembled
No, I didn't.
I'm asking for someone in this thread to cite something they wrote.
Then you should have said that immediately after where they wrote that
Could the U.S. Navy Bring Back the Battleships? One Word ...
On Wed, 21 May 2025 19:03:13 -0400, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/21/25 17:20, Gary Roselles wrote:
On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
Navies use war ships that are a century old.Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world
that is a century old.
The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned, so it is technically >>still an active and deployable ship. They just had it out sailing in >>Boston Harbor earlier this month.
Doesn't count. It's a museum piece.
Anybody know of a ship over a century old still being used and
deployed by any navy?
In aus.legal Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2025 19:03:13 -0400, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/21/25 17:20, Gary Roselles wrote:
On 5/21/2025 10:17 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
Navies use war ships that are a century old.Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed ship in any navy in the world >>>> that is a century old.
The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned, so it is technically
still an active and deployable ship. They just had it out sailing in
Boston Harbor earlier this month.
Doesn't count. It's a museum piece.
Anybody know of a ship over a century old still being used and
deployed by any navy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Moskva-Cruiser-Wreck.html
c186282 <[email protected]> wrote
Computer Nerd Kev wrote
Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote
-hh <[email protected]> wrote
Gary Roselles wrote
Siri Cruz wrote
Navies use war ships that are a century old.
Cut the bullshit. There is not a deployed shipin any navy in the
world� that is a century old.
The USS Constitution (1797) is still commissioned,so it is
technically still an active and deployable ship. They just had it
out sailing in� Boston Harbor earlier this month.
Doesn't count.� It's a museum piece.
Anybody know of a ship over a century oldstill being used and
deployed by any navy?
�https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna
http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Moskva-Cruiser-Wreck.html
�� It's MOSTLY a 'pride/historical' thing.
�� However after the giant solar flare or huge
�� EMP attack, these MAY be the only things still
�� floating - so .........
Bullshit on the still floating and it won't be going
anywhere anyway and even if they can do that,
just one or two won't be any use anyway
�� Don't be TOO critical of "low-tech backup� systems".
They aren't "low-tech backup� systems".
�� I really HOPE the US Mil still has
�� old tube-based shortwave systems
They aren't that stupid
�� and a few� prop planes
They aren't that stupid
and such that still use magneto� ignition.
There are plenty of very small planes like that like the Cessna 172 but
there is a fat lot of use those would be to the military after a nuke holocaust
Celestial navigation when the ship aint going anywhere in spades
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