• Survey - New Orleans (Literally) Sinking Even Faster

    From c186282@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 21:27:52 2025
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14647851/Scientists-iconic-US-city-SINKING-new-orleans-louisiana.html

    A historic American city could soon vanish as a growing
    number of studies have found that it's sinking at an
    alarming rate.

    New Orleans, home to more than 360,000 people, and the
    surrounding areas are now sinking by up to two inches
    every year - with projections warning that much of the
    region could be underwater by 2050.

    A 2024 study including a researcher from New Orleans'
    Tulane University discovered that a large portion of
    the city sits on soft, squishy soils (peat and clay)
    that sink when drained or built on.

    However, much of this soil has either rotted after being
    exposed to air or has been compacted under the weight
    of local buildings and roads.

    . . .

    Given the scale, I'm not sure anything can be
    done about this. They'd literally have to plow
    everything down, add 20 feet of good fill, and
    then rebuild on top.

    It WOULD be good to get the Dutch heavily involved,
    but this may soon be beyond even their powers.

    Big city in a deep deep bowl - NOT a great future
    there, hate to say. NO may become the American
    Atlantis soon. Tour Bourbon Street - by glass-
    bottom boat ......

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  • From Dark Brandon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 06:23:11 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 4/25/2025 7:27 PM, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14647851/Scientists- iconic-US-city-SINKING-new-orleans-louisiana.html

    A historic American city could soon vanish as a growing
    number of studies have found that it's sinking at an
    alarming rate.

    New Orleans, home to more than 360,000 people, and the
    surrounding areas are now sinking by up to two inches
    every year - with projections warning that much of the
    region could be underwater by 2050.

    A 2024 study including a researcher from New Orleans'
    Tulane University discovered that a large portion of
    the city sits on soft, squishy soils (peat and clay)
    that sink when drained or built on.

    However, much of this soil has either rotted after being
    exposed to air or has been compacted under the weight
    of local buildings and roads.

    . . .

      Given the scale, I'm not sure anything can be
      done about this. They'd literally have to plow
      everything down, add 20 feet of good fill, and
      then rebuild on top.

      It WOULD be good to get the Dutch heavily involved,
      but this may soon be beyond even their powers.

      Big city in a deep deep bowl - NOT a great future
      there, hate to say. NO may become the American
      Atlantis soon. Tour Bourbon Street - by glass-
      bottom boat ......

    Louisiana itself is losing significant coastline every year due to loss
    of wetlands due to various causes. As salt water creeps into the
    bayous, the vegetation dies and land gets swallowed up by the Gulf of
    America.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Dark Brandon on Sat Apr 26 13:05:52 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Dark Brandon <[email protected]> wrote in news:vuij7f$2bou0$[email protected]:

    On 4/25/2025 7:27 PM, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14647851/Scientists-
    iconic-US-city-SINKING-new-orleans-louisiana.html

    A historic American city could soon vanish as a growing
    number of studies have found that it's sinking at an
    alarming rate.

    New Orleans, home to more than 360,000 people, and the
    surrounding areas are now sinking by up to two inches
    every year - with projections warning that much of the
    region could be underwater by 2050.

    A 2024 study including a researcher from New Orleans'
    Tulane University discovered that a large portion of
    the city sits on soft, squishy soils (peat and clay)
    that sink when drained or built on.

    However, much of this soil has either rotted after being
    exposed to air or has been compacted under the weight
    of local buildings and roads.

    . . .

      Given the scale, I'm not sure anything can be
      done about this. They'd literally have to plow
      everything down, add 20 feet of good fill, and
      then rebuild on top.

      It WOULD be good to get the Dutch heavily involved,
      but this may soon be beyond even their powers.

      Big city in a deep deep bowl - NOT a great future
      there, hate to say. NO may become the American
      Atlantis soon. Tour Bourbon Street - by glass-
      bottom boat ......

    Louisiana itself is losing significant coastline every year due to loss
    of wetlands due to various causes. As salt water creeps into the
    bayous, the vegetation dies and land gets swallowed up by the Gulf of America.



    "Gulf of America"

    Sheesh.............

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Dark Brandon on Sat Apr 26 13:05:43 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 4/26/25 8:23 AM, Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 4/25/2025 7:27 PM, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14647851/Scientists-
    iconic-US-city-SINKING-new-orleans-louisiana.html

    A historic American city could soon vanish as a growing
    number of studies have found that it's sinking at an
    alarming rate.

    New Orleans, home to more than 360,000 people, and the
    surrounding areas are now sinking by up to two inches
    every year - with projections warning that much of the
    region could be underwater by 2050.

    A 2024 study including a researcher from New Orleans'
    Tulane University discovered that a large portion of
    the city sits on soft, squishy soils (peat and clay)
    that sink when drained or built on.

    However, much of this soil has either rotted after being
    exposed to air or has been compacted under the weight
    of local buildings and roads.

    . . .

       Given the scale, I'm not sure anything can be
       done about this. They'd literally have to plow
       everything down, add 20 feet of good fill, and
       then rebuild on top.

       It WOULD be good to get the Dutch heavily involved,
       but this may soon be beyond even their powers.

       Big city in a deep deep bowl - NOT a great future
       there, hate to say. NO may become the American
       Atlantis soon. Tour Bourbon Street - by glass-
       bottom boat ......

    Louisiana itself is losing significant coastline every year due to loss
    of wetlands due to various causes.  As salt water creeps into the
    bayous, the vegetation dies and land gets swallowed up by the Gulf of America.

    That part of the delta is just bushes on top
    of river muck. The weeds are the only thing
    that kinda holds it together. Even without any
    sort of seal-level changes, the area is just
    kind of unstable. Anything that hurts the
    bushes means certain doom.

    So, sooner or later, NO - metro AND burbs - are
    going to HAVE to be abandoned.

    The city area itself ... OK when the French built
    little wooden buildings there, but that's given
    way to much heavier stuff AND, counter-intuitively -
    the better drainage shrank the 'soil' underneath.

    So, yea, the American Atlantis.

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  • From Dark Brandon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 12:40:42 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 4/26/2025 11:05 AM, c186282 wrote:
    On 4/26/25 8:23 AM, Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 4/25/2025 7:27 PM, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14647851/Scientists-
    iconic-US-city-SINKING-new-orleans-louisiana.html

    A historic American city could soon vanish as a growing
    number of studies have found that it's sinking at an
    alarming rate.

    New Orleans, home to more than 360,000 people, and the
    surrounding areas are now sinking by up to two inches
    every year - with projections warning that much of the
    region could be underwater by 2050.

    A 2024 study including a researcher from New Orleans'
    Tulane University discovered that a large portion of
    the city sits on soft, squishy soils (peat and clay)
    that sink when drained or built on.

    However, much of this soil has either rotted after being
    exposed to air or has been compacted under the weight
    of local buildings and roads.

    . . .

       Given the scale, I'm not sure anything can be
       done about this. They'd literally have to plow
       everything down, add 20 feet of good fill, and
       then rebuild on top.

       It WOULD be good to get the Dutch heavily involved,
       but this may soon be beyond even their powers.

       Big city in a deep deep bowl - NOT a great future
       there, hate to say. NO may become the American
       Atlantis soon. Tour Bourbon Street - by glass-
       bottom boat ......

    Louisiana itself is losing significant coastline every year due to
    loss of wetlands due to various causes.  As salt water creeps into the
    bayous, the vegetation dies and land gets swallowed up by the Gulf of
    America.

      That part of the delta is just bushes on top
      of river muck. The weeds are the only thing
      that kinda holds it together. Even without any
      sort of seal-level changes, the area is just
      kind of unstable. Anything that hurts the
      bushes means certain doom.

      So, sooner or later, NO - metro AND burbs - are
      going to HAVE to be abandoned.

      The city area itself ... OK when the French built
      little wooden buildings there, but that's given
      way to much heavier stuff AND, counter-intuitively -
      the better drainage shrank the 'soil' underneath.

      So, yea, the American Atlantis.


    Years ago a lot of the blame for NOLA's problems were laid (figuratively speaking) at the feet of the Army Corps of Engineers for having actively prevented the Mississippi River from changing course over time through
    the use of levees and human intervention. Without the intervention of
    the Army Corps of Engineers, the river would be constantly changing
    course, threatening New Orleans. As you point out, NOLA is doomed anyway.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 17:24:05 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 4/26/25 2:50 PM, % wrote:
    Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 4/26/2025 11:05 AM, c186282 wrote:
    On 4/26/25 8:23 AM, Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 4/25/2025 7:27 PM, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14647851/Scientists- iconic-US-city-SINKING-new-orleans-louisiana.html


    A historic American city could soon vanish as a growing
    number of studies have found that it's sinking at an
    alarming rate.

    New Orleans, home to more than 360,000 people, and the
    surrounding areas are now sinking by up to two inches
    every year - with projections warning that much of the
    region could be underwater by 2050.

    A 2024 study including a researcher from New Orleans'
    Tulane University discovered that a large portion of
    the city sits on soft, squishy soils (peat and clay)
    that sink when drained or built on.

    However, much of this soil has either rotted after being
    exposed to air or has been compacted under the weight
    of local buildings and roads.

    . . .

       Given the scale, I'm not sure anything can be
       done about this. They'd literally have to plow
       everything down, add 20 feet of good fill, and
       then rebuild on top.

       It WOULD be good to get the Dutch heavily involved,
       but this may soon be beyond even their powers.

       Big city in a deep deep bowl - NOT a great future
       there, hate to say. NO may become the American
       Atlantis soon. Tour Bourbon Street - by glass-
       bottom boat ......

    Louisiana itself is losing significant coastline every year due to
    loss of wetlands due to various causes.  As salt water creeps into
    the bayous, the vegetation dies and land gets swallowed up by the
    Gulf of America.

       That part of the delta is just bushes on top
       of river muck. The weeds are the only thing
       that kinda holds it together. Even without any
       sort of seal-level changes, the area is just
       kind of unstable. Anything that hurts the
       bushes means certain doom.

       So, sooner or later, NO - metro AND burbs - are
       going to HAVE to be abandoned.

       The city area itself ... OK when the French built
       little wooden buildings there, but that's given
       way to much heavier stuff AND, counter-intuitively -
       the better drainage shrank the 'soil' underneath.

       So, yea, the American Atlantis.


    Years ago a lot of the blame for NOLA's problems were laid
    (figuratively speaking) at the feet of the Army Corps of Engineers for
    having actively prevented the Mississippi River from changing course
    over time through the use of levees and human intervention.  Without
    the intervention of the Army Corps of Engineers, the river would be
    constantly changing course, threatening New Orleans.  As you point
    out, NOLA is doomed anyway.

    just move new orleans


    You paying ??? :-)

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Dark Brandon on Sat Apr 26 17:42:28 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 4/26/25 2:40 PM, Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 4/26/2025 11:05 AM, c186282 wrote:
    On 4/26/25 8:23 AM, Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 4/25/2025 7:27 PM, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14647851/Scientists-
    iconic-US-city-SINKING-new-orleans-louisiana.html

    A historic American city could soon vanish as a growing
    number of studies have found that it's sinking at an
    alarming rate.

    New Orleans, home to more than 360,000 people, and the
    surrounding areas are now sinking by up to two inches
    every year - with projections warning that much of the
    region could be underwater by 2050.

    A 2024 study including a researcher from New Orleans'
    Tulane University discovered that a large portion of
    the city sits on soft, squishy soils (peat and clay)
    that sink when drained or built on.

    However, much of this soil has either rotted after being
    exposed to air or has been compacted under the weight
    of local buildings and roads.

    . . .

       Given the scale, I'm not sure anything can be
       done about this. They'd literally have to plow
       everything down, add 20 feet of good fill, and
       then rebuild on top.

       It WOULD be good to get the Dutch heavily involved,
       but this may soon be beyond even their powers.

       Big city in a deep deep bowl - NOT a great future
       there, hate to say. NO may become the American
       Atlantis soon. Tour Bourbon Street - by glass-
       bottom boat ......

    Louisiana itself is losing significant coastline every year due to
    loss of wetlands due to various causes.  As salt water creeps into
    the bayous, the vegetation dies and land gets swallowed up by the
    Gulf of America.

       That part of the delta is just bushes on top
       of river muck. The weeds are the only thing
       that kinda holds it together. Even without any
       sort of seal-level changes, the area is just
       kind of unstable. Anything that hurts the
       bushes means certain doom.

       So, sooner or later, NO - metro AND burbs - are
       going to HAVE to be abandoned.

       The city area itself ... OK when the French built
       little wooden buildings there, but that's given
       way to much heavier stuff AND, counter-intuitively -
       the better drainage shrank the 'soil' underneath.

       So, yea, the American Atlantis.


    Years ago a lot of the blame for NOLA's problems were laid (figuratively speaking) at the feet of the Army Corps of Engineers for having actively prevented the Mississippi River from changing course over time through
    the use of levees and human intervention.  Without the intervention of
    the Army Corps of Engineers, the river would be constantly changing
    course, threatening New Orleans.  As you point out, NOLA is doomed anyway.

    NO is an old city ... and nobody was thinking much
    about rivers changing their courses. Indeed you can
    see local and even state boundaries that follow along
    river tracks ... or DID 100+ years ago.

    Humans like to think that The Now always was and
    always will be. A sometimes dangerous psych quirk.

    When they built up Venice (IT) they never thought that
    sea levels would EVER rise. Now, another doomed city.

    In NO, there *will* be another huge storm (or even
    sabotage) and it will flood all the worse because
    the ground level keeps getting lower. Body counts
    will get higher too. There is no tech fix that can
    smoothly uplift 100 square miles of land. Ergo,
    sooner or later ... you can only rebuild SO many
    times before pointlessness becomes obvious.

    Much of Louisiana is 'squishy' ... if they want a
    Newer Orleans it'd better be to the north of
    Lake P ...

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  • From Dark Brandon@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Apr 28 11:07:18 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 4/28/2025 9:35 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    The Mississippi delta has been vast over time. Portions of five
    states have been part of it over the ages.

    There's an old saying of "being sold down the river." It goes back to
    the times of slavery where the slaves considered it one of the worst
    fates they could suffer to be sold to slave owners in the Mississippi
    Delta.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Dark Brandon on Mon Apr 28 19:49:31 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 4/28/25 1:07 PM, Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 4/28/2025 9:35 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    The Mississippi delta has been vast over time.  Portions of five
    states have been part of it over the ages.

    There's an old saying of "being sold down the river."  It goes back to
    the times of slavery where the slaves considered it one of the worst
    fates they could suffer to be sold to slave owners in the Mississippi
    Delta.

    Hmmm ... saw a chart the other day showing all
    the rivers that contribute to the Mississippi.
    It's a vast network - a few bits even going up
    into the east slope of Montana.

    As for "sold down the river" ... yea, the
    Ameriglish term did indeed refer to being
    transported south on the Mississippi into
    slavery. Was probably some similar phrase
    for Nubian slaves being taken into Egypt.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Apr 30 18:02:02 2025
    XPost: alt.survival, alt.politics.usa, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 4/29/25 7:30 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 19:49:31 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 4/28/25 1:07 PM, Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 4/28/2025 9:35 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    The Mississippi delta has been vast over time.  Portions of five
    states have been part of it over the ages.

    There's an old saying of "being sold down the river."  It goes back to
    the times of slavery where the slaves considered it one of the worst
    fates they could suffer to be sold to slave owners in the Mississippi
    Delta.

    Hmmm ... saw a chart the other day showing all
    the rivers that contribute to the Mississippi.
    It's a vast network - a few bits even going up
    into the east slope of Montana.

    As for "sold down the river" ... yea, the
    Ameriglish term did indeed refer to being
    transported south on the Mississippi into
    slavery. Was probably some similar phrase
    for Nubian slaves being taken into Egypt.

    A variant in the east was, "I'll sell you south!"


    Nothing new about slavery. Consider : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu

    These are the first known writ-down laws from
    the original civ. Several of the laws deal
    with slaves.

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