While I understand Trump's tactic here,
The world DID need a trade shock,
On 4/21/2025 9:19 PM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here,
You don't understand one fucking thing about trade, markets or the economy. You're as aggressively and willfully stupid as Trump.
The world DID need a trade shock,
No, it did *not*. That perfectly illustrates your aggressive stupidity.
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair
trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level
of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair
trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level
of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
In article <dpPNP.1799897$[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
On 4/21/2025 9:19 PM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here,
You don't understand one fucking thing about trade, markets or the economy. >> You're as aggressively and willfully stupid as Trump.
Yet Trump is rich and your president. What does that say
about you?
The world DID need a trade shock,
No, it did *not*. That perfectly illustrates your aggressive stupidity.
Explain why it didn't.
Form1099 <"4@34@43@4"@yagonemeat.com> wrote in news:vu8iht$10h9u$1@dont- email.me:
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair
trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level
of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
Unfair trade deals - like the US/Mexico/Canada
Trade Agreement that Trump himself signed just five
years ago?
Trump wants to renegotiate his own
trade deal with Mexico and Canada
October 14, 2024 https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/politics/usmca-trump-renegotiate/index.html
Form1099 <"4@34@43@4"@yagonemeat.com> wrote:
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair
trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level
of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
And of course you can articulate just what was so ‘unfair’ regarding these
trade agreements? Start with the ones that Trump negotiated during his
first term. Likewise, identify what the benefits are for being the world’s primary reserve currency & how that makes the cost of money lower for American citizens & why that could possibly be a bad thing.
Or of course, go silent and tacitly admit that you’re merely parroting partisan talking points with zero actual understanding.
-hh
Skeeter OG <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <dpPNP.1799897$[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
On 4/21/2025 9:19 PM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here,
You don't understand one fucking thing about trade, markets or the economy.
You're as aggressively and willfully stupid as Trump.
Yet Trump is rich and your president. What does that say
about you?
Merely that none of us are trust fund babies who have squandered most of their inheritance through multiple business failures.
We?re also not $200M+ in debt to Russia and highly vulnerable to blackmail.
The world DID need a trade shock,
No, it did *not*. That perfectly illustrates your aggressive stupidity.
Explain why it didn't.
Before or after the original claim that claims that this is needed .. is explained?
-hh
Unfair trade deals - like the US/Mexico/Canada
Trade Agreement that Trump himself signed just five
years ago?
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of
unfair trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a
severe level of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will
never happen.
In article <dpPNP.1799897$[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
On 4/21/2025 9:19 PM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here,
You don't understand one fucking thing about trade, markets or the economy. >> You're as aggressively and willfully stupid as Trump.
Yet Trump is rich and your president. What does that say
about you?
The world DID need a trade shock,
No, it did *not*. That perfectly illustrates your aggressive stupidity.
Explain why it didn't.
On 4/22/2025 1:56 PM, -hh wrote:
Form1099 <"4@34@43@4"@yagonemeat.com> wrote:
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair
trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level
of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
And of course you can articulate just what was so ‘unfair’ regarding these
trade agreements? Start with the ones that Trump negotiated during his
first term. Likewise, identify what the benefits are for being the world’s >> primary reserve currency & how that makes the cost of money lower for
American citizens & why that could possibly be a bad thing.
Happy to.
Historically, the U.S. has maintained one of the lowest average tariff
rates among major economies. According to the World Trade Organization
(WTO) and U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) data, the U.S. simple average tariff rate on all goods was approximately 2.5% in 2024, significantly
lower than many trading partners:
European Union (EU): 5.1% average tariff, with higher rates on specific
goods like passenger vehicles (10% vs. U.S. 2.5%).
India: 17.6% average tariff, with rates as high as 70% on vehicles and
80% on rice.
China: 7.5% average tariff, with 15% on vehicles.
Brazil: 13.4% average tariff, with 18% on ethanol.
Indonesia: 7.9% average tariff, with 30% on ethanol.
Additionally, non-tariff barriers (e.g., value-added taxes, regulatory restrictions, wage suppression) in other countries often increase the effective cost for U.S. exporters, creating a perception of
non-reciprocal trade. For example, U.S. companies pay an estimated $200 billion annually in foreign value-added taxes (VAT) to countries like
those in the EU, while similar taxes are not imposed on their exports to
the U.S. This disparity has been a key justification for U.S. tariff
policies under Trump, who argues that other countries have long taken advantage of the U.S. open market.
I haven't even gotten in to countries, like China, theft of intellectual property, slave labor, land-destroying practices, air pollution, etc.
You all sit back and justify all that because you love your low prices
more than you care about little baby moo goo gai pan working for $02/hr.
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair
trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level
of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
On 4/22/2025 1:56 PM, -hh wrote:
Form1099 <"4@34@43@4"@yagonemeat.com> wrote:
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair
trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level
of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
And of course you can articulate just what was so ‘unfair’ regarding
these
trade agreements? Start with the ones that Trump negotiated during his
first term. Likewise, identify what the benefits are for being the
world’s
primary reserve currency & how that makes the cost of money lower for
American citizens & why that could possibly be a bad thing.
Happy to.
Historically, the U.S. has maintained one of the lowest average tariff
Form1099 <"4@34@43@4"@yagonemeat.com> wrote in news:vu8iht$10h9u$1@dont-
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair
trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level
of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
Unfair trade deals - like the US/Mexico/Canada
Trade Agreement that Trump himself signed just five
years ago?
Trump wants to renegotiate his own
trade deal with Mexico and Canada
October 14, 2024 https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/14/politics/usmca-trump-renegotiate/index.html
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
pothead wrote:
On 2025-04-22, Form1099 <"4@34@43@4"@yagonemeat.com> wrote:they're just starting
On 4/22/2025 1:56 PM, -hh wrote:
Form1099 <"4@34@43@4"@yagonemeat.com> wrote:
On 4/22/2025 12:19 AM, c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
may be unsustainable. IMHO it was too much too fast.
The world DID need a trade shock, but wasn't in the
best position FOR that shock. Face it, things have
been kinda fucked-up of late.
JOE wanted to crash the market - and recruited the MSM
to hype doom and gloom. Didn't work. Now Trump is kinda
doing the deed. It WILL yield SOME gains, but maybe more
losses short/medium term.
Oh, sorry, no short/medium-term = no LONG term.
Gotta get there from here.
No. The level of screwing the U.S. has taken as the result of unfair >>>>> trade deals, intellectual property theft, etc. requires a severe level >>>>> of detox. This is long overdue. If not now it will never happen.
And of course you can articulate just what was so ‘unfair’ regarding >>>> these
trade agreements? Start with the ones that Trump negotiated during his >>>> first term. Likewise, identify what the benefits are for being the
world’s
primary reserve currency & how that makes the cost of money lower for
American citizens & why that could possibly be a bad thing.
Happy to.
Historically, the U.S. has maintained one of the lowest average tariff
rates among major economies. According to the World Trade Organization
(WTO) and U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) data, the U.S. simple average >>> tariff rate on all goods was approximately 2.5% in 2024, significantly
lower than many trading partners:
European Union (EU): 5.1% average tariff, with higher rates on specific
goods like passenger vehicles (10% vs. U.S. 2.5%).
India: 17.6% average tariff, with rates as high as 70% on vehicles and
80% on rice.
China: 7.5% average tariff, with 15% on vehicles.
Brazil: 13.4% average tariff, with 18% on ethanol.
Indonesia: 7.9% average tariff, with 30% on ethanol.
Additionally, non-tariff barriers (e.g., value-added taxes, regulatory
restrictions, wage suppression) in other countries often increase the
effective cost for U.S. exporters, creating a perception of
non-reciprocal trade. For example, U.S. companies pay an estimated $200
billion annually in foreign value-added taxes (VAT) to countries like
those in the EU, while similar taxes are not imposed on their exports to >>> the U.S. This disparity has been a key justification for U.S. tariff
policies under Trump, who argues that other countries have long taken
advantage of the U.S. open market.
I haven't even gotten in to countries, like China, theft of intellectual >>> property, slave labor, land-destroying practices, air pollution, etc.
You all sit back and justify all that because you love your low prices
more than you care about little baby moo goo gai pan working for $02/hr. >>>
Excellent post.
Thank you.
The days of the USA being the world's sucker are coming to an end.
Thankfully
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 22:58:16 -0600, Gronk <[email protected]d>
wrote:
c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
Really? You do?
Explain ->
I can't wait.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 23:41:46 -0600, Gronk <[email protected]d>
wrote:
c186282 wrote:
While I understand Trump's tactic here, the downside
Really? You do?
Explain ->
Haven't you asked that before?
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