https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/ap-rubio-us-ukraine-russia-peace-efforts/
President Donald Trump on Friday said negotiations between
Ukraine and Russia are “coming to a head” and insisted that
neither side is “playing” him in his push to end the grinding
war.
Trump spoke shortly after Secretary of State Marco Rubio warned
that the U.S. may “move on” from trying to secure a Russia-Ukraine
peace deal if there is no progress in the coming days, after
months of efforts have failed to bring an end to the fighting.
“We are now reaching a point where we need to decide whether
this is even possible or not,” Rubio told reporters in Paris.
“Because if it’s not, then I think we’re just going to move on.
It’s not our war. We have other priorities to focus on.”
SO ... time to send Ukraine another shipment of
nasty ordinance ...... maybe nastier and longer
range than before ..........
Trump had also hoped he could concentrate on deterring
CHINA. His shift away from the EU/NATO appears to be
so more effort can be concentrated in Asia.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/ap-rubio-us-ukraine-russia-peace- efforts/
President Donald Trump on Friday said negotiations between
Ukraine and Russia are “coming to a head” and insisted that
neither side is “playing” him in his push to end the grinding
war.
Trump spoke shortly after Secretary of State Marco Rubio warned
that the U.S. may “move on” from trying to secure a Russia-Ukraine
peace deal if there is no progress in the coming days, after
months of efforts have failed to bring an end to the fighting.
“Now, if for some reason, one of the two parties makes it
very difficult, we’re just going to say you’re foolish. You
are fools, you horrible people,” Trump said. “And we’re going
to just take a pass. But hopefully, we won’t have to do that.”
Rubio’s dour assessment came after landmark talks in Paris
among U.S., Ukrainian and European officials produced outlines
for steps toward peace and appeared to make some long-awaited
progress. Another meeting is expected next week in London,
and Rubio suggested it could be decisive in determining whether
the Trump administration continues its involvement.
“We are now reaching a point where we need to decide whether
this is even possible or not,” Rubio told reporters in Paris.
“Because if it’s not, then I think we’re just going to move on.
It’s not our war. We have other priorities to focus on.”
He said the U.S. administration wants to decide “in a matter
of days.”
. . .
Vlad has been dragging his feet, trying to gain as
much territory as possible while escalating attacks
on civvie targets.
SO ... time to send Ukraine another shipment of
nasty ordinance ...... maybe nastier and longer
range than before ..........
Trump was keen on helping Israel against its main
enemies - which has been mostly a success. Hamas
and Hezbollah still exist, but more on paper than
as viable military threats. Iran, well, nobody is
quite sure what to do with Iran - plusses and minuses
regardless.
Trump had also hoped he could concentrate on deterring
CHINA. His shift away from the EU/NATO appears to be
so more effort can be concentrated in Asia.
Alas VLAD is not being cooperative, the wrench in
the works.
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 07:11:51 -0500, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
The DoD’s “Asia Pivot” goes back to Obama, but there’s far more to it than
what people want to think: Ukraine is actually a linchpin to its strategy >> being feasible.. which Trump (and Biden was too) is failing on.
If the west allows Ukraine to fall, that will give a green light to
dictators and warmongers across the globe.
On 4/19/25 8:39 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 07:11:51 -0500, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
The DoD’s “Asia Pivot” goes back to Obama, but there’s far more to it than
what people want to think: Ukraine is actually a linchpin to its strategy >>> being feasible.. which Trump (and Biden was too) is failing on.
If the west allows Ukraine to fall, that will give a green light to
dictators and warmongers across the globe.
Well ... sort of.The west hasn't attempted to defend it.
Each instance IS a bit "special".
However Ukraine isn't THAT hard to hold. If the
EU/NATO/USA can't even defend it then Xi and Vlad
WILL draw certain nasty conclusions.
On 4/19/2025 7:32 PM, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/25 8:39 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 07:11:51 -0500, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
The DoD’s “Asia Pivot” goes back to Obama, but there’s far more to >>>> it than
what people want to think: Ukraine is actually a linchpin to its
strategy
being feasible.. which Trump (and Biden was too) is failing on.
If the west allows Ukraine to fall, that will give a green light to
dictators and warmongers across the globe.
Well ... sort of.
Each instance IS a bit "special".
However Ukraine isn't THAT hard to hold. If the
EU/NATO/USA can't even defend it then Xi and Vlad
WILL draw certain nasty conclusions.
The west hasn't attempted to defend it.
On 4/19/25 11:18 PM, AlleyCat wrote:
On 4/19/2025 7:32 PM, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/25 8:39 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 07:11:51 -0500, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
The DoD’s “Asia Pivot” goes back to Obama, but there’s far more to
it than
what people want to think: Ukraine is actually a linchpin to its
strategy
being feasible.. which Trump (and Biden was too) is failing on.
If the west allows Ukraine to fall, that will give a green light to
dictators and warmongers across the globe.
Well ... sort of.
Each instance IS a bit "special".
However Ukraine isn't THAT hard to hold. If the
EU/NATO/USA can't even defend it then Xi and Vlad
WILL draw certain nasty conclusions.
The west hasn't attempted to defend it.
Well, it's put a lot of MONEY into it ....
… an
indirect defense with Ukrainians as proxy warriors.
All politically 'safe'.
But it's a strategy that can't last forever.
Vlad is COUNTING on that.
Time's up.
c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/19/25 11:18 PM, AlleyCat wrote:
On 4/19/2025 7:32 PM, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/25 8:39 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 07:11:51 -0500, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
The DoD’s “Asia Pivot” goes back to Obama, but there’s far more to
it than
what people want to think: Ukraine is actually a linchpin to its >>>>>> strategy
being feasible.. which Trump (and Biden was too) is failing on.
If the west allows Ukraine to fall, that will give a green light to
dictators and warmongers across the globe.
Well ... sort of.
Each instance IS a bit "special".
However Ukraine isn't THAT hard to hold. If the
EU/NATO/USA can't even defend it then Xi and Vlad
WILL draw certain nasty conclusions.
The west hasn't attempted to defend it.
Well, it's put a lot of MONEY into it ....
Not really. Do keep in mind that the USA was claiming $100,000 “donation”
for each M113 being sent at the same time that they were selling surplus
ones to a scrap company for $1 each.
… an
indirect defense with Ukrainians as proxy warriors.
All politically 'safe'.
But it's a strategy that can't last forever.
Even at the claimed rate of 4% of the DoD budget per year, the bang for the buck in Russian equipment & manpower destroyed is *very* sustainable. Probably the best value the US has gotten in over 75 years.
Vlad is COUNTING on that.
Putin is counting on Trump to do his bidding.
Time's up.
For just what, specifically? To be a surrender monkey who walks away from
an easy & affordable win, so as to increase one’s costs & risks of a vastly more expensive entanglement with Asia?
On 4/20/25 3:41 PM, -hh wrote:
c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/19/25 11:18 PM, AlleyCat wrote:
On 4/19/2025 7:32 PM, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/25 8:39 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 07:11:51 -0500, -hh
<[email protected]> wrote:
The DoD’s “Asia Pivot” goes back to Obama, but there’s far more to
it than
what people want to think: Ukraine is actually a linchpin to its >>>>>>> strategy
being feasible.. which Trump (and Biden was too) is failing on.
If the west allows Ukraine to fall, that will give a green light to >>>>>> dictators and warmongers across the globe.
Well ... sort of.
Each instance IS a bit "special".
However Ukraine isn't THAT hard to hold. If the
EU/NATO/USA can't even defend it then Xi and Vlad
WILL draw certain nasty conclusions.
The west hasn't attempted to defend it.
Well, it's put a lot of MONEY into it ....
Not really. Do keep in mind that the USA was claiming $100,000 “donation”
for each M113 being sent at the same time that they were selling surplus
ones to a scrap company for $1 each.
The arms are expensive. Fixing the utility grids
is expensive. We're not talking JUST cash here.
… an
indirect defense with Ukrainians as proxy warriors.
All politically 'safe'.
But it's a strategy that can't last forever.
Even at the claimed rate of 4% of the DoD budget per year, the bang for the >> buck in Russian equipment & manpower destroyed is *very* sustainable.
Probably the best value the US has gotten in over 75 years.
Economically affordable maybe (though we need to build
up our own stuff too).
POLITICALLY affordable ... that's
another thing entirely. Lots of reps were already bitchin
about supporting Ukraine and they haven't gone away.
Vlad is COUNTING on that.
Putin is counting on Trump to do his bidding.
Trump never does ANYONE'S bidding :-)
Time's up.
For just what, specifically? To be a surrender monkey who walks away from >> an easy & affordable win, so as to increase one’s costs & risks of a vastly
more expensive entanglement with Asia?
As said earlier, I don't think the USA is going to
abandon Ukraine. If Vlad keeps dragging his feet
we WILL find ways - direct and round-about - to
make him pay for that. It includes arms for Ukraine.
For political reasons we may trans-ship of course,
send arms to Germany or France or Italy officially,
but with a "Forward To" address. Appearances are
preserved, politics is served.
Also, I'm not sure how much Xi cares about the whole
Ukraine thing - it's largely outside his sphere and
his focus is on HIS part of the world.
Anyway, we'll probably see fairly soon ... China has
practiced at least two blockade exercises now and knows
it CAN do the job. The trade disturbances MIGHT lead
Xi to discount the economic impacts unless something
can be resolved fairly soon.
But neither Trump or Xi can be seen to blink first ...
the usual ........
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