On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 19:05:16 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14621395/Scientists-aliens-extraterrestrials-Earth-contact.html<snip>
COULD we send a message with current tech ? Maybe.
A very focused high-power laser MIGHT be able to
send a detectable message that far. So, the yes/no
issue is now kinda real. IMHO, wait until we have
'warp drive' and 'phasors', just in case ......
Such a message would take 120 years to arrive.
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 19:05:16 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14621395/Scientists-aliens-extraterrestrials-Earth-contact.html<snip>
COULD we send a message with current tech ? Maybe.
A very focused high-power laser MIGHT be able to
send a detectable message that far. So, the yes/no
issue is now kinda real. IMHO, wait until we have
'warp drive' and 'phasors', just in case ......
Such a message would take 120 years to arrive.
On 4/17/25 10:50 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 19:05:16 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14621395/Scientists-aliens-extraterrestrials-Earth-contact.html<snip>
COULD we send a message with current tech ? Maybe.
A very focused high-power laser MIGHT be able to
send a detectable message that far. So, the yehttps://youtu.be/qtKXJnKlmPss/no
issue is now kinda real. IMHO, wait until we have
'warp drive' and 'phasors', just in case ......
Such a message would take 120 years to arrive.
Exactly ...
Well, there might be more aliens somewhere in-between.
On the whole, I kinda agree with Hawking on this. Almost
all encounters with 'advanced (human) civs' have been
pretty bad. Of course ET isn't human and the psychology
involved may be different .... maybe .........
Our 'regular' radio stuff is kinda omni-directional and
thus weakens quickly with distance. Modern trends are
towards ever lower power methods. As such we MIGHT
escape alien detection unless they passed fairly near.
However a very tight beam laser would have much more
range. Best to NOT aim such things out into space at
this juncture.
ETs on the mentioned planet ? COULD be. Just because
there's a signature for some compounds produced by earthly
sea life doesn't mean there's no OTHER life there.
The planetary environment, so far as our scopes can
detect, seems kinda ideal for life more or less in the
earthly range of expectations. The Webb scope needs to
do a few more scans - look for likely "industrial
products" in the atmosphere. This will not be 100%
conclusive however since 'industrial products' at
OUR stage of tech may not exist at THEIR stage even
(maybe especially) if they're more advanced.
In any case, finding this much persistent dimethyl-X
in the planets atmosphere IS a pretty good indicator
of more-or-less earthlike biochemistry at work. We
MAY have found ET ... even if he's a "plankton".
Finding another example of life this close greatly
increases the chances of much MORE life being out there.
SOME may be "Klingons".
Now all we need is 'warp drive' (which probably won't
work alas). Maybe some sleazy quantum here->there
trick or something ......
And THEN we've gotta figure out how to keep the mil
from "conquering" alien worlds .... might be even
more difficult than getting there ...........
On 2025-04-18, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/17/25 10:50 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 19:05:16 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14621395/Scientists-aliens-extraterrestrials-Earth-contact.html<snip>
COULD we send a message with current tech ? Maybe.
A very focused high-power laser MIGHT be able to
send a detectable message that far. So, the yehttps://youtu.be/qtKXJnKlmPss/no
issue is now kinda real. IMHO, wait until we have
'warp drive' and 'phasors', just in case ......
Such a message would take 120 years to arrive.
Exactly ...
Well, there might be more aliens somewhere in-between.
On the whole, I kinda agree with Hawking on this. Almost
all encounters with 'advanced (human) civs' have been
pretty bad. Of course ET isn't human and the psychology
involved may be different .... maybe .........
Our 'regular' radio stuff is kinda omni-directional and
thus weakens quickly with distance. Modern trends are
towards ever lower power methods. As such we MIGHT
escape alien detection unless they passed fairly near.
However a very tight beam laser would have much more
range. Best to NOT aim such things out into space at
this juncture.
ETs on the mentioned planet ? COULD be. Just because
there's a signature for some compounds produced by earthly
sea life doesn't mean there's no OTHER life there.
The planetary environment, so far as our scopes can
detect, seems kinda ideal for life more or less in the
earthly range of expectations. The Webb scope needs to
do a few more scans - look for likely "industrial
products" in the atmosphere. This will not be 100%
conclusive however since 'industrial products' at
OUR stage of tech may not exist at THEIR stage even
(maybe especially) if they're more advanced.
In any case, finding this much persistent dimethyl-X
in the planets atmosphere IS a pretty good indicator
of more-or-less earthlike biochemistry at work. We
MAY have found ET ... even if he's a "plankton".
Finding another example of life this close greatly
increases the chances of much MORE life being out there.
SOME may be "Klingons".
Now all we need is 'warp drive' (which probably won't
work alas). Maybe some sleazy quantum here->there
trick or something ......
And THEN we've gotta figure out how to keep the mil
from "conquering" alien worlds .... might be even
more difficult than getting there ...........
That's assuming the aliens are using the same or similar technology as we do. That may or may not be the case.
I tend to think at least some of these aliens are highly advanced.
I'm suspecting portals, or rips in the fabric of time allowing travel
from one universe to another like flying to Paris from NYC.
Just a theory of mine.
On 4/18/25 8:46 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2025-04-18, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/17/25 10:50 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 19:05:16 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14621395/Scientists-aliens-extraterrestrials-Earth-contact.html<snip>
COULD we send a message with current tech ? Maybe.
A very focused high-power laser MIGHT be able to
send a detectable message that far. So, the yehttps://youtu.be/qtKXJnKlmPss/no
issue is now kinda real. IMHO, wait until we have
'warp drive' and 'phasors', just in case ......
Such a message would take 120 years to arrive.
Exactly ...
Well, there might be more aliens somewhere in-between.
On the whole, I kinda agree with Hawking on this. Almost
all encounters with 'advanced (human) civs' have been
pretty bad. Of course ET isn't human and the psychology
involved may be different .... maybe .........
Our 'regular' radio stuff is kinda omni-directional and
thus weakens quickly with distance. Modern trends are
towards ever lower power methods. As such we MIGHT
escape alien detection unless they passed fairly near.
However a very tight beam laser would have much more
range. Best to NOT aim such things out into space at
this juncture.
ETs on the mentioned planet ? COULD be. Just because
there's a signature for some compounds produced by earthly
sea life doesn't mean there's no OTHER life there.
The planetary environment, so far as our scopes can
detect, seems kinda ideal for life more or less in the
earthly range of expectations. The Webb scope needs to
do a few more scans - look for likely "industrial
products" in the atmosphere. This will not be 100%
conclusive however since 'industrial products' at
OUR stage of tech may not exist at THEIR stage even
(maybe especially) if they're more advanced.
In any case, finding this much persistent dimethyl-X
in the planets atmosphere IS a pretty good indicator
of more-or-less earthlike biochemistry at work. We
MAY have found ET ... even if he's a "plankton".
Finding another example of life this close greatly
increases the chances of much MORE life being out there.
SOME may be "Klingons".
Now all we need is 'warp drive' (which probably won't
work alas). Maybe some sleazy quantum here->there
trick or something ......
And THEN we've gotta figure out how to keep the mil
from "conquering" alien worlds .... might be even
more difficult than getting there ...........
That's assuming the aliens are using the same or similar technology as we do.
That may or may not be the case.
I tend to think at least some of these aliens are highly advanced.
I'm suspecting portals, or rips in the fabric of time allowing travel
from one universe to another like flying to Paris from NYC.
Just a theory of mine.
Hmmmm ... news today :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14618599/Incredible-tale-man-sneak-Area-51-alive-heres-saw.html
Real ? Who knows ?
In any case, the human instinct to subsume all
seems to go all the way back. This may be a big
problem if/when we ever go interstellar.
On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 00:48:05 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/17/25 10:50 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 19:05:16 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
Whatever we detect is going to be 120 years in the past.
Hmmmm ... news today :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14618599/Incredible-tale-man-sneak-Area-51-alive-heres-saw.html
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