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But they were lying.

--bks

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On 2025-04-17, Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

But they were lying.

--bks

Yes, but it worked better then than it is now.

Most Libertarians were just looking for an ideology which would allow
them to Lord it over others when/if they got power. It was essentially
nothing more than a call for them to be able to do what they like and do
what they like TO OTHERS.

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On 4/17/25 6:56 AM, Borax Man wrote:

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On 2025-04-17, Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

But they were lying.

--bks

Yes, but it worked better then than it is now.

Most Libertarians were just looking for an ideology which would allow
them to Lord it over others when/if they got power. It was essentially nothing more than a call for them to be able to do what they like and do
what they like TO OTHERS.

The large-L Libertarian model IS very retro - and
to a degree, as you said, intended to make biz people
into uncontested unmolested little dictators over their
realms. The only law is "Make the boss more wealthy -
and fuck anyone and everything else".

To an extent this model DID help the USA morph into
a major biz/industrial power after the Civil War.
Build, build, build no matter the costs !

But it was also cruel and irresponsible and usurped
state/legal/democratic authority.

Today, the abuses of the 19th century will not be
tolerated. Also, the "smaller world" has altered
the economic equation to a degree where the old
model just won't work well.

The "less govt reach" philosophy IS still a useful
GUIDE ... whatever, PROVE that reach is necessary,
not merely something The State desires. Govt dictators
can be as bad or worse as the old corporate dictators
because they get to pretend they have the love of
The People and can exert wider, deeper, scope of
authority.

It's always going to be a balancing act, an ever-
changing kludge.

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On 4/17/2025 2:38 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 14:14:38 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

Today, the abuses of the 19th century will not be
tolerated.

Yet that is exactly where Trump's policies lead.

Also, the "smaller world" has altered
the economic equation to a degree where the old
model just won't work well.

Yet Trump continues to try to return to that old model.

Yep. And Trump is totally against states' right now. For one example, he
wants the Feds to decide how to handle elections.

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On 4/17/25 7:54 PM, John Doe wrote:

On 4/17/2025 2:38 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 14:14:38 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Today, the abuses of the 19th century will not be
   tolerated.

Yet that is exactly where Trump's policies lead.

Also, the "smaller world" has altered
   the economic equation to a degree where the old
   model just won't work well.

Yet Trump continues to try to return to that old model.

Yep. And Trump is totally against states' right now. For one example, he wants the Feds to decide how to handle elections.

Well, FEDERAL elections .......

Kinda needs to be different rules for STATE candidates
and FEDERAL.

A lot of places now print you a customized ballot right
at the polling place. Those without ID/cred can get one
version - only local candidates - while those with ID/cred
get one with federal candidates too. Tech makes it easy.

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On 4/17/25 4:38 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2025 14:14:38 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

Today, the abuses of the 19th century will not be
tolerated.

Yet that is exactly where Trump's policies lead.

Um ... no.

There MUST be a dedicated Trump-hating group
on usenet ... maybe you should move there ?

The USA did go overboard on screwing its industries.
It's a large part of WHY so much was offshored. OK
to have Chinese 'slave' labor of course ... hey,
even the lefties LOVE those slave-built EV batts :-)

Also, the "smaller world" has altered
the economic equation to a degree where the old
model just won't work well.

Yet Trump continues to try to return to that old model.

Um ... no.

At least not entirely.

As said, it won't/can't work anymore. But there
ARE many variations on the old theme and SOME of
them can work.

At this point, I'd say we're on a pre-war footing
with China. The aggression angle IS Chinese. This
is NOT good at all - but trying to buy our way
out of it isn't gonna work much longer. Xi is
very keen to go imperial and now has the means.

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On 4/18/25 12:15 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 01:22:17 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

Well, FEDERAL elections .......

Kinda needs to be different rules for STATE candidates
and FEDERAL.

A lot of places now print you a customized ballot right
at the polling place. Those without ID/cred can get one
version - only local candidates - while those with ID/cred
get one with federal candidates too. Tech makes it easy.

The states, not the general population, elect the President.

But the electors are guided by the popular vote.

No ID and you don't get to add to that pop vote
for POTUS ... that's how it needs to be.

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On 18/4/25 9:16, Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 01:18:03 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

At this point, I'd say we're on a pre-war footing
with China. The aggression angle IS Chinese. This
is NOT good at all - but trying to buy our way
out of it isn't gonna work much longer. Xi is
very keen to go imperial and now has the means.

Now that Trump has given it to him.

Did you really think this tariffs game was going to work?

I could not predict how it would go bad. I am in favour of
lightly regulated trade.

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On 18/4/25 23:32, Governor Swill wrote:

I won't argue that. If a person can't be responsible enough for
themselves to have correct picture ID, they aren't responsible enough
to vote.

When we mail it in the ballot envelope, will the Registrar of
Voters mail it back?

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On 4/19/2025 12:33 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 14:09:03 -0700, Siri Cruz <[email protected]>
wrote:

On 18/4/25 9:16, Governor Swill wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 01:18:03 -0400, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

At this point, I'd say we're on a pre-war footing
with China. The aggression angle IS Chinese. This
is NOT good at all - but trying to buy our way
out of it isn't gonna work much longer. Xi is
very keen to go imperial and now has the means.

Now that Trump has given it to him.

Did you really think this tariffs game was going to work?

I could not predict how it would go bad. I am in favour of
lightly regulated trade.

Carefully targeted and considered. Not shoot from the hip and hope to
hit something.

Team Trump also used to believe in states' rights. Not anymore.

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