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https://www.dw.com/en/japan-sees-record-drop-in-population/a-72239612

Japan's citizen population dipped to 120.3 million as of
October 2024, official data showed on Monday, marking a
record drop of 898,000 people from the previous year.

The country's birth rate is among the lowest in the world,
leading to big problems for society and business — a shrinking
workforce and fewer consumers.

The fall — the 13th consecutive non-foreign population slide —
was the largest since the government began collecting
comparable data in 1950, according to the Interior Ministry.

. . .

Kids are expensive and a real pain in the ass, so
nobody wants to have 'em. 3rd world you needs lots
of kids as your own little army/support-system but
in the 1st world everybody just assumes all that
stuff is taken care of.

Japan and S.Korea are just going down the drain.
As the already-old pop starts to exceed child-
bearing age then the decline will rapidly
accelerate.

SO, 100 years from now, maybe quite less, there
won't be many Japanese in Japan - it'll all be
people they hired from abroad to do stuff the
kiddies used to do. "Japan" will be a geographic
name, not indicative of any 'culture'.

Don't know WHAT they're gonna do. How do you
say "Handmaid's Tale" in Japanese ???

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On 4/14/25 2:05 PM, % wrote:

c186282 wrote:

https://www.dw.com/en/japan-sees-record-drop-in-population/a-72239612

Japan's citizen population dipped to 120.3 million as of
October 2024, official data showed on Monday, marking a
record drop of 898,000 people from the previous year.

The country's birth rate is among the lowest in the world,
leading to big problems for society and business — a shrinking
workforce and fewer consumers.

The fall — the 13th consecutive non-foreign population slide —
was the largest since the government began collecting
comparable data in 1950, according to the Interior Ministry.

. . .

   Kids are expensive and a real pain in the ass, so
   nobody wants to have 'em. 3rd world you needs lots
   of kids as your own little army/support-system but
   in the 1st world everybody just assumes all that
   stuff is taken care of.

   Japan and S.Korea are just going down the drain.
   As the already-old pop starts to exceed child-
   bearing age then the decline will rapidly
   accelerate.

   SO, 100 years from now, maybe quite less, there
   won't be many Japanese in Japan - it'll all be
   people they hired from abroad to do stuff the
   kiddies used to do. "Japan" will be a geographic
   name, not indicative of any 'culture'.

   Don't know WHAT they're gonna do. How do you
   say "Handmaid's Tale" in Japanese ???

they'll all move to the usa

Who, the last ten ethnic Japanese ?

USA has negative population growth too.

You didn't think Joe's immigration plan was
JUST politics, did you ? It was numbers also,
esp potential young workers.

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On 14.4.2025. 19:53, c186282 wrote:

  SO, 100 years from now, maybe quite less, there
  won't be many Japanese in Japan - it'll all be
  people they hired from abroad to do stuff the
  kiddies used to do. "Japan" will be a geographic
  name, not indicative of any 'culture'.

  Don't know WHAT they're gonna do.

You are too optimistic. 100 years from now there will be left only small
and unconnected pockets of clean air and water. The collapse of
biosphere has already started and it would accelerate, its called
"cascade failure" or something. There will be no human civilization
left,  no nations ... just few struggling tribes. Only larger community
would be eventually on Mars. If Musk press on colonization. Perhaps if
he promise Trump to build big monument dedicated to Trump and name first
city on Mars "Trump Town" he will get funding.

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On 4/15/25 3:41 AM, No one else wrote:

On 14.4.2025. 19:53, c186282 wrote:

  SO, 100 years from now, maybe quite less, there
  won't be many Japanese in Japan - it'll all be
  people they hired from abroad to do stuff the
  kiddies used to do. "Japan" will be a geographic
  name, not indicative of any 'culture'.

  Don't know WHAT they're gonna do.

You are too optimistic. 100 years from now there will be left only small
and unconnected pockets of clean air and water. The collapse of
biosphere has already started and it would accelerate, its called
"cascade failure" or something. There will be no human civilization
left,  no nations ... just few struggling tribes. Only larger community would be eventually on Mars. If Musk press on colonization. Perhaps if
he promise Trump to build big monument dedicated to Trump and name first
city on Mars "Trump Town" he will get funding.

Gee ... ain't you cheerful eh ?

Well, you'd better move to Gilligan's Island quick.

Instead of building on Mars, perhaps we should built
quasi-closed 'Mars colony' kinds of cities HERE ?
It'd be a lot cheaper. Then you won't care if the
air gets stinky, yer nuclear power plants will clean
it up and pump it to all the habitations.

The architecture won't be pretty, but yer going for
function here. Living space, industries, everything
you need. Nobody really "goes outside". And no,
giant domes are NOT cost effective, just go with (more)
sealed kinda regular-looking structures.

Think of a big shopping mall with lots of big hotels and
factories and such semi-attached. Take the subway to
the mines ...

BTW, Mars sucks - even the dirt is poisonous. Pry one
of those big ice moons away from Jupiter and soft-crash
it onto Mars, then wait 100 years. Better.

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On 15.4.2025. 22:25, c186282 wrote:

On 4/15/25 3:41 AM, No one else wrote:

On 14.4.2025. 19:53, c186282 wrote:

  SO, 100 years from now, maybe quite less, there
  won't be many Japanese in Japan - it'll all be
  people they hired from abroad to do stuff the
  kiddies used to do. "Japan" will be a geographic
  name, not indicative of any 'culture'.

  Don't know WHAT they're gonna do.

You are too optimistic. 100 years from now there will be left only
small and unconnected pockets of clean air and water. The collapse of
biosphere has already started and it would accelerate, its called
"cascade failure" or something. There will be no human civilization
left,  no nations ... just few struggling tribes. Only larger
community would be eventually on Mars. If Musk press on colonization.
Perhaps if he promise Trump to build big monument dedicated to Trump
and name first city on Mars "Trump Town" he will get funding.

  Gee ... ain't you cheerful eh ?

Just realist.

  Instead of building on Mars, perhaps we should built
  quasi-closed 'Mars colony' kinds of cities HERE ?
  It'd be a lot cheaper. Then you won't care if the
  air gets stinky, yer nuclear power plants will clean
  it up and pump it to all the habitations.

  The architecture won't be pretty, but yer going for
  function here. Living space, industries, everything
  you need. Nobody really "goes outside". And no,
  giant domes are NOT cost effective, just go with (more)
  sealed kinda regular-looking structures.

Nope. Think what civilization means. F.e. even a simple car has
70-100.000 different parts, which is easy to produce when you have a
different factory for each part, but impossible without large number of educated workers and specialization, steady supply of resources and so
on. Your pumps would work for a while and then stop when there will be
no more spare parts.

Things are much worse. Underground waters in US dropped from 70 m deep
150 years ago to more then 300 m deep. Means US land would be soon
completely spent and barren. This is I suppose while Trump is put in
charge. Only way to to survive is a conquest of new lands.

  BTW, Mars sucks - even the dirt is poisonous. Pry one
  of those big ice moons away from Jupiter and soft-crash
  it onto Mars, then wait 100 years. Better.

That I agree, Mars is a long shot and it would take many generations to eventually become habitable. I am pretty sure "American way" does not
stand for such selfless sacrifices. Means Musk would have to trick most
of the colonists.

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