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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14604663/athens-burning-petrol-bomb-riots-police-arrest.html

Athens has been ravaged by flames after rioters threw petrol
bombs during a clash with police officers before 70 demonstrators
were arrested.

Shocking footage emerging from the holiday hotspot showed
rioters storming the streets just after midnight as the rowdy
mobs came head-to-head with cops.

Around 50 people launched petrol bombs and fireworks at police
officers outside a station in Exarchia and some 21 cars were
left wrecked after being torched in the chaos.

Properties, local shops, and motorbikes were also set alight
by protestors as terrified locals watched on in horror.

Over 70 arrests were made during the riot which lasted several
hours, Greek broadcaster EPTNews reported Sunday, citing
security sources.

The riots erupted after a bomb planted near the offices
of Hellenic Train - Greece's main railway company - exploded
on Friday night in central Athens.

The drama unfolded amid widespread public anger over a
February 2023 railway disaster which saw 57 people killed,
most of them young students, and dozens more seriously
injured when a freight train and a passenger train heading
in opposite directions were accidentally put on the
same track.

. . .

Not what you'd expect in Athens ...

This SEEMS to be related to the mentioned lethal
TRAIN CRASH over a year ago. Afterwards "students",
likely neo-commies, took it up as some kind of great
revolutionary cause. The chain of logic remains rather
obscure ... perhaps just students looking for a reason
to raise lots of hell. However the very real bomb in
the train station yesterday was NO joke.

Train wrecks HAPPEN kinda regularly. Not TOO often but
still kinda regularly. Complex system, lots of timing
and attention required, and occasionally somebody or
something just screws up. It's not "political".

This all comes as Greece is launching a big PR thing
to attract more tourists. Covid put a big hurt on
that industry and now they're trying to make up
for it.

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On 13/4/25 20:30, c186282 wrote:

Train wrecks HAPPEN kinda regularly. Not TOO often but

It is a shame no one has invented a way to detect a train on a
section of track and then signal nearby trains if another train
is ahead of them.

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On 2025-04-14, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14604663/athens-burning-petrol-bomb-riots-police-arrest.html

[*SNIP*]

Not what you'd expect in Athens ...

This SEEMS to be related to the mentioned lethal
TRAIN CRASH over a year ago. Afterwards "students",
likely neo-commies, took it up as some kind of great
revolutionary cause. The chain of logic remains rather
obscure ... perhaps just students looking for a reason
to raise lots of hell. However the very real bomb in
the train station yesterday was NO joke.

Train wrecks HAPPEN kinda regularly. Not TOO often but
still kinda regularly. Complex system, lots of timing
and attention required, and occasionally somebody or
something just screws up. It's not "political".

This all comes as Greece is launching a big PR thing
to attract more tourists. Covid put a big hurt on
that industry and now they're trying to make up
for it.

Anarchists have been ravaging Athens for years. This crash is the
excuse, but they would riot for anything, because they are anarchists
who want to watch the world (or at least Athens) burn. I've seen the
aftermath of riots when I was there over a decade ago, and knowing
others who have lived their, this is just par for the course. Athens is infested with Leftist Anarchists and Druggies. Open sores that have
been allowed to fester for too long.

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On 4/14/25 7:58 AM, Borax Man wrote:

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On 2025-04-14, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14604663/athens-burning-petrol-bomb-riots-police-arrest.html

[*SNIP*]

Not what you'd expect in Athens ...

This SEEMS to be related to the mentioned lethal
TRAIN CRASH over a year ago. Afterwards "students",
likely neo-commies, took it up as some kind of great
revolutionary cause. The chain of logic remains rather
obscure ... perhaps just students looking for a reason
to raise lots of hell. However the very real bomb in
the train station yesterday was NO joke.

Train wrecks HAPPEN kinda regularly. Not TOO often but
still kinda regularly. Complex system, lots of timing
and attention required, and occasionally somebody or
something just screws up. It's not "political".

This all comes as Greece is launching a big PR thing
to attract more tourists. Covid put a big hurt on
that industry and now they're trying to make up
for it.

Anarchists have been ravaging Athens for years. This crash is the
excuse, but they would riot for anything, because they are anarchists
who want to watch the world (or at least Athens) burn. I've seen the aftermath of riots when I was there over a decade ago, and knowing
others who have lived their, this is just par for the course. Athens is infested with Leftist Anarchists and Druggies. Open sores that have
been allowed to fester for too long.

That's not in the tourist brochures ! :-)

Of late, the chances of saboteurs sponsored by
hostile states has also increased. I remember
that during the Olympics some French rail
systems were sabotaged, data cables and relay
gear and such dug up in the middle of the night.
Local anarchists, or did they have a paycheck
from Vlad in their pockets ?

"Infrastructure", which includes trains, is almost
impossible to completely protect. It's big, spread
all out, and generally fully exposed.

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On 4/14/25 1:54 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 13/4/25 20:30, c186282 wrote:

   Train wrecks HAPPEN kinda regularly. Not TOO often but

It is a shame no one has invented a way to detect a train on a section
of track and then signal nearby trains if another train is ahead of them.

I'm sure such tech exists, but how well can it
be employed 'in the field' ? Train systems usually
make use of mechanical switches and actuators and
those can fuck up. You can send a signal to a distant
track-switcher, but did it ACTUALLY divert the train
to the desired track ?

Note not everywhere HAS good cell ... esp where
there is rough terrain.

At this point, GPS-based units can resolve whether a
train is on the left or right track plus it's speed
and direction. Cell comms can inform a central computer
of all that. In short it's now DO-able. What units
may be had, at what PRICE, that I'm not sure. 2nd/3rd-
world outfits may not be able to afford them.

As sales would be in the hundreds, not hundreds of
thousands, prices would surely be high - an even if
the operator was totally at fault any crash WOULD be
blamed on the manufacturer.

Finally, as we saw during the Paris Olympics, evil
actors sabotaged the electronics on train lines.
In eastern Europe, Vlad has been screwin' with
the GPS signals.

In short you can TRY, but that doesn't mean humans
and nature won't conspire against you. Even Germany
has train crashes and they're probably the best
system in the world. https://mykn.kuehne-nagel.com/news/article/train-collision-in-dorsfeld-germany-disrupts-03-Dec-2024

The 'simple answer' ain't always so simple. Devils
lurk in the details.

But you CAN just blame everything on Trump, of course :-)

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On 14/4/25 10:28, c186282 wrote:

On 4/14/25 1:54 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 13/4/25 20:30, c186282 wrote:

Train wrecks HAPPEN kinda regularly. Not TOO often but

It is a shame no one has invented a way to detect a train on a
section of track and then signal nearby trains if another train
is ahead of them.

I'm sure such tech exists, but how well can it
be employed 'in the field' ? Train systems usually
make use of mechanical switches and actuators and
those can fuck up. You can send a signal to a distant
track-switcher, but did it ACTUALLY divert the train
to the desired track ?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_block_system>

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On 4/14/25 3:59 PM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 14/4/25 10:28, c186282 wrote:

On 4/14/25 1:54 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 13/4/25 20:30, c186282 wrote:

   Train wrecks HAPPEN kinda regularly. Not TOO often but

It is a shame no one has invented a way to detect a train on a
section of track and then signal nearby trains if another train
is ahead of them.

   I'm sure such tech exists, but how well can it
   be employed 'in the field' ? Train systems usually
   make use of mechanical switches and actuators and
   those can fuck up. You can send a signal to a distant
   track-switcher, but did it ACTUALLY divert the train
   to the desired track ?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_block_system>

Requires a lot of perfect timing at minimum ...

More modern tech could be used as I described, though
as also said there are ways for it to go wrong.

I don't think we're gonna eliminate all train wrecks.
The further down the economic ladder the more wrecks
you can expect in a country. Greece basically went broke
about 15 years ago, had to get EU bail-outs and it took
a long time to recover. Don't expect it to have the
latest ultra-tech in their train system.

Now if you wanna BUY it for them .......

Trains, though 'old tech', are gonna be around for quite
awhile still - best way to move bulk materials and in
some cases people. However the upkeep is considerable
and WILL get behind the curve sometimes. Rant and rave
all you want, that's how it is.

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On 2025-04-14, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

On 4/14/25 7:58 AM, Borax Man wrote:

["Followup-To:" header set to talk.politics.misc.]
On 2025-04-14, c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14604663/athens-burning-petrol-bomb-riots-police-arrest.html

[*SNIP*]

Not what you'd expect in Athens ...

This SEEMS to be related to the mentioned lethal
TRAIN CRASH over a year ago. Afterwards "students",
likely neo-commies, took it up as some kind of great
revolutionary cause. The chain of logic remains rather
obscure ... perhaps just students looking for a reason
to raise lots of hell. However the very real bomb in
the train station yesterday was NO joke.

Train wrecks HAPPEN kinda regularly. Not TOO often but
still kinda regularly. Complex system, lots of timing
and attention required, and occasionally somebody or
something just screws up. It's not "political".

This all comes as Greece is launching a big PR thing
to attract more tourists. Covid put a big hurt on
that industry and now they're trying to make up
for it.

Anarchists have been ravaging Athens for years. This crash is the
excuse, but they would riot for anything, because they are anarchists
who want to watch the world (or at least Athens) burn. I've seen the
aftermath of riots when I was there over a decade ago, and knowing
others who have lived their, this is just par for the course. Athens is
infested with Leftist Anarchists and Druggies. Open sores that have
been allowed to fester for too long.

That's not in the tourist brochures ! :-)

Of late, the chances of saboteurs sponsored by
hostile states has also increased. I remember
that during the Olympics some French rail
systems were sabotaged, data cables and relay
gear and such dug up in the middle of the night.
Local anarchists, or did they have a paycheck
from Vlad in their pockets ?

"Infrastructure", which includes trains, is almost
impossible to completely protect. It's big, spread
all out, and generally fully exposed.

Someone is definately funding them somehow. I wouldn't be too surprised
to find more "local" benefactors who find the chaos and destruction
useful.

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