• Re: Christian Nationalism == Fascism

    From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Bradley K. Sherman on Tue Feb 25 14:11:26 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    [email protected] (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote in news:vpkich$1vc$[email protected]:

    | Priest Defrocked After Copying Elon Musk's Salute at
    | Pro-Life Summit

    | God Is A Geek Staff Quits Following Ex-Priest Owner's Nazi
    | Salute

    |
    | "Slavery produced a genuine affection between the races":


    O....M....G.....

    Conservatives have returned to defending slavery?




    | Hegseth's church foretold "DEI" firings
    |
    | Defense secretary's contempt for Black military leaders has
    | roots in his religion's defense of white supremacy
    | ...
    <https://www.salon.com/2025/02/25/slavery-produced-a-genuine-affection- between-the-races-hegseths-church-foretold-dei-firings/>

    --bks



    New Florida standards teach students that
    some Black people benefited from slavery
    because it taught useful skills
    July 20, 2023 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-florida-standards-teach-black- people-benefited-slavery-taught-usef-rcna95418

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 25 13:59:45 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    | Priest Defrocked After Copying Elon Musk's Salute at
    | Pro-Life Summit

    | God Is A Geek Staff Quits Following Ex-Priest Owner's Nazi
    | Salute

    |
    | "Slavery produced a genuine affection between the races":
    | Hegseth's church foretold "DEI" firings
    |
    | Defense secretary's contempt for Black military leaders has
    | roots in his religion's defense of white supremacy
    | ... <https://www.salon.com/2025/02/25/slavery-produced-a-genuine-affection-between-the-races-hegseths-church-foretold-dei-firings/>

    --bks

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  • From Trump - Inmate Number P01135809@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 25 14:25:06 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    | Priest Defrocked After Copying Elon Musk's
    Salute at
    | Pro-Life Summit

    | God Is A Geek Staff Quits Following Ex-Priest
    Owner's Nazi
    | Salute

    |
    | "Slavery produced a genuine affection between the
    races":
    | Hegseth's church foretold "DEI" firings
    |
    | Defense secretary's contempt for Black military
    leaders has
    | roots in his religion's defense of white
    supremacy
    | ...
    <https://www.salon.com/2025/02/25/slavery-produced-
    a-genuine-affection-bet
    ween-the-races-hegseths-church-foretold-dei-
    firings/>

    --bks


    How Christian Slaveholders Used the Bible to Justify
    Slavery

    During the period of American slavery, how did
    slaveholders manage to balance their religious
    beliefs with the cruel facts of the �peculiar
    institution�? As shown by the following passages �
    adapted from Noel Rae�s new book The Great Stain,
    which uses firsthand accounts to tell the story of
    slavery in America � for some of them that
    rationalization was right there in the Bible.

    Out of the more than three quarters of a million
    words in the Bible, Christian slaveholders�and, if
    asked, most slaveholders would have defined
    themselves as Christian�had two favorites texts, one
    from the beginning of the Old Testament and the other
    from the end of the New Testament. In the words of
    the King James Bible, which was the version then
    current, these were, first, Genesis IX, 18�27:

    �And the sons of Noah that went forth from the
    ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the
    father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah:
    and of them was the whole world overspread. And Noah
    began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
    and he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was
    uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of
    Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his
    two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a
    garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and
    went backward, and covered the nakedness of their
    father; and their faces were backward, and they saw
    not their father�s nakedness. And Noah awoke from his
    wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto
    him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of
    servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said,
    Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be
    his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall
    dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his
    servant. And Noah lived after the flood three hundred
    and fifty years.�

    Despite some problems with this story�What was so
    terrible about seeing Noah drunk? Why curse Canaan
    rather than Ham? How long was the servitude to last?
    Surely Ham would have been the same color as his
    brothers?�it eventually became the foundational text
    for those who wanted to justify slavery on Biblical
    grounds. In its boiled-down, popular version, known
    as �The Curse of Ham,� Canaan was dropped from the
    story, Ham was made black, and his descendants were
    made Africans.

    The other favorite came from the Apostle Paul�s
    Epistle to the Ephesians, VI, 5-7: �Servants, be
    obedient to them that are your masters according to
    the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of
    your heart, as unto Christ; not with eye-service, as
    men-pleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing
    the will of God from the heart; with good will doing
    service, as to the Lord, and not to men: knowing that
    whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall
    he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.�
    (Paul repeated himself, almost word for word, in the
    third chapter of his Epistle to the Colossians.)

    The rest of the Old Testament was often mined by pro-
    slavery polemicists for examples proving that slavery
    was common among the Israelites. The New Testament
    was largely ignored, except in the negative sense of
    pointing out that nowhere did Jesus condemn slavery,
    although the story of Philemon, the runaway who St.
    Paul returned to his master, was often quoted. It was
    also generally accepted that the Latin word servus,
    usually translated as servant, really meant slave.

    ***

    Even apparent abuses, when looked at in the right
    light, worked out for the best, in the words of
    Bishop William Meade of Virginia. Suppose, for
    example, that you have been punished for something
    you did not do, �is it not possible you may have done
    some other bad thing which was never discovered and
    that Almighty God, who saw you doing it, would not
    let you escape without punishment one time or
    another? And ought you not in such a case to give
    glory to Him, and be thankful that He would rather
    punish you in this life for your wickedness than
    destroy your souls for it in the next life? But
    suppose that even this was not the case�a case hardly
    to be imagined�and that you have by no means, known
    or unknown, deserved the correction you suffered;
    there is this great comfort in it, that if you bear
    it patiently, and leave your cause in the hands of
    God, He will reward you for it in heaven, and the
    punishment you suffer unjustly here shall turn to
    your exceeding great glory hereafter.�

    Bishop Stephen Elliott, of Georgia, also knew how to
    look on the bright side. Critics of slavery should
    �consider whether, by their interference with this
    institution, they may not be checking and impeding a
    work which is manifestly Providential. For nearly a
    hundred years the English and American Churches have
    been striving to civilize and Christianize Western
    Africa, and with what result? Around Sierra Leone,
    and in the neighborhood of Cape Palmas, a few natives
    have been made Christians, and some nations have been
    partially civilized; but what a small number in
    comparison with the thousands, nay, I may say
    millions, who have learned the way to Heaven and who
    have been made to know their Savior through the means
    of African slavery! At this very moment there are
    from three to four millions of Africans, educating
    for earth and for Heaven in the so vilified Southern
    States�learning the very best lessons for a semi-
    barbarous people�lessons of self-control, of
    obedience, of perseverance, of adaptation of means to
    ends; learning, above all, where their weakness lies,
    and how they may acquire strength for the battle of
    life. These considerations satisfy me with their
    condition, and assure me that it is the best relation
    they can, for the present, be made to occupy.�

    Reviewing the work of the white churches, Frederick
    Douglass had this to say: �Between the Christianity
    of this land and the Christianity of Christ, I
    recognize the widest possible difference�so wide that
    to receive the one as good, pure, and holy, is of
    necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and
    wicked. To be the friend of the one is of necessity
    to be the enemy of the other. I love the pure,
    peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ; I
    therefore hate the corrupt, slave-holding, women-
    whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical
    Christianity of this land. Indeed, I can see no
    reason but the most deceitful one for calling the
    religion of this land Christianity��
    Overlook Press

    Adapted from The Great Stain: Witnessing American
    Slavery by Noel Rae. Copyright � 2018 by Noel Rae.
    Reprinted by arrangement with The Overlook Press,
    Peter Mayer Publishers, Inc.
    http://www.overlookpress.com. All rights reserved.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 25 20:19:36 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    Trump - Inmate Number P01135809 wrote:
    | Priest Defrocked After Copying Elon Musk's
    Salute at
    | Pro-Life Summit

    | God Is A Geek Staff Quits Following Ex-Priest
    Owner's Nazi
    | Salute

    |
    | "Slavery produced a genuine affection between the
    races":
    | Hegseth's church foretold "DEI" firings
    |
    | Defense secretary's contempt for Black military
    leaders has
    | roots in his religion's defense of white
    supremacy
    | ...
    <https://www.salon.com/2025/02/25/slavery-produced-
    a-genuine-affection-bet
    ween-the-races-hegseths-church-foretold-dei-
    firings/>

    --bks


    How Christian Slaveholders Used the Bible to Justify
    Slavery

    During the period of American slavery, how did
    slaveholders manage to balance their religious
    beliefs with the cruel facts of the “peculiar
    institution“? As shown by the following passages —
    adapted from Noel Rae’s new book The Great Stain,
    which uses firsthand accounts to tell the story of
    slavery in America — for some of them that
    rationalization was right there in the Bible.

    Out of the more than three quarters of a million
    words in the Bible, Christian slaveholders—and, if
    asked, most slaveholders would have defined
    themselves as Christian—had two favorites texts, one
    from the beginning of the Old Testament and the other
    from the end of the New Testament. In the words of
    the King James Bible, which was the version then
    current, these were, first, Genesis IX, 18–27:

    “And the sons of Noah that went forth from the
    ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the
    father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah:
    and of them was the whole world overspread. And Noah
    began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
    and he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was
    uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of
    Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his
    two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a
    garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and
    went backward, and covered the nakedness of their
    father; and their faces were backward, and they saw
    not their father’s nakedness. And Noah awoke from his
    wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto
    him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of
    servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said,
    Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be
    his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall
    dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his
    servant. And Noah lived after the flood three hundred
    and fifty years.”

    Despite some problems with this story—What was so
    terrible about seeing Noah drunk? Why curse Canaan
    rather than Ham? How long was the servitude to last?
    Surely Ham would have been the same color as his
    brothers?—it eventually became the foundational text
    for those who wanted to justify slavery on Biblical
    grounds. In its boiled-down, popular version, known
    as “The Curse of Ham,” Canaan was dropped from the
    story, Ham was made black, and his descendants were
    made Africans.

    The other favorite came from the Apostle Paul’s
    Epistle to the Ephesians, VI, 5-7: “Servants, be
    obedient to them that are your masters according to
    the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of
    your heart, as unto Christ; not with eye-service, as
    men-pleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing
    the will of God from the heart; with good will doing
    service, as to the Lord, and not to men: knowing that
    whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall
    he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
    (Paul repeated himself, almost word for word, in the
    third chapter of his Epistle to the Colossians.)

    The rest of the Old Testament was often mined by pro-
    slavery polemicists for examples proving that slavery
    was common among the Israelites. The New Testament
    was largely ignored, except in the negative sense of
    pointing out that nowhere did Jesus condemn slavery,
    although the story of Philemon, the runaway who St.
    Paul returned to his master, was often quoted. It was
    also generally accepted that the Latin word servus,
    usually translated as servant, really meant slave.

    ***

    Even apparent abuses, when looked at in the right
    light, worked out for the best, in the words of
    Bishop William Meade of Virginia. Suppose, for
    example, that you have been punished for something
    you did not do, “is it not possible you may have done
    some other bad thing which was never discovered and
    that Almighty God, who saw you doing it, would not
    let you escape without punishment one time or
    another? And ought you not in such a case to give
    glory to Him, and be thankful that He would rather
    punish you in this life for your wickedness than
    destroy your souls for it in the next life? But
    suppose that even this was not the case—a case hardly
    to be imagined—and that you have by no means, known
    or unknown, deserved the correction you suffered;
    there is this great comfort in it, that if you bear
    it patiently, and leave your cause in the hands of
    God, He will reward you for it in heaven, and the
    punishment you suffer unjustly here shall turn to
    your exceeding great glory hereafter.”

    Bishop Stephen Elliott, of Georgia, also knew how to
    look on the bright side. Critics of slavery should
    “consider whether, by their interference with this
    institution, they may not be checking and impeding a
    work which is manifestly Providential. For nearly a
    hundred years the English and American Churches have
    been striving to civilize and Christianize Western
    Africa, and with what result? Around Sierra Leone,
    and in the neighborhood of Cape Palmas, a few natives
    have been made Christians, and some nations have been
    partially civilized; but what a small number in
    comparison with the thousands, nay, I may say
    millions, who have learned the way to Heaven and who
    have been made to know their Savior through the means
    of African slavery! At this very moment there are
    from three to four millions of Africans, educating
    for earth and for Heaven in the so vilified Southern
    States—learning the very best lessons for a semi-
    barbarous people—lessons of self-control, of
    obedience, of perseverance, of adaptation of means to
    ends; learning, above all, where their weakness lies,
    and how they may acquire strength for the battle of
    life. These considerations satisfy me with their
    condition, and assure me that it is the best relation
    they can, for the present, be made to occupy.”

    Reviewing the work of the white churches, Frederick
    Douglass had this to say: “Between the Christianity
    of this land and the Christianity of Christ, I
    recognize the widest possible difference—so wide that
    to receive the one as good, pure, and holy, is of
    necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and
    wicked. To be the friend of the one is of necessity
    to be the enemy of the other. I love the pure,
    peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ; I
    therefore hate the corrupt, slave-holding, women-
    whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical
    Christianity of this land. Indeed, I can see no
    reason but the most deceitful one for calling the
    religion of this land Christianity…”
    Overlook Press

    Adapted from The Great Stain: Witnessing American
    Slavery by Noel Rae. Copyright © 2018 by Noel Rae.
    Reprinted by arrangement with The Overlook Press,
    Peter Mayer Publishers, Inc.
    http://www.overlookpress.com. All rights reserved.


    Satan's long game in the USA started before the USA.

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 2 13:14:39 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    | Priest Defrocked After Copying Elon Musk's Salute at
    | Pro-Life Summit

    | "Slavery produced a genuine affection between the races":
    | Hegseth's church foretold "DEI" firings

    |
    | Speaker Mike Johnson Is Living in a D.C. House That Is the
    | Center of a Pastor's Secretive Influence Campaign
    | ... <https://www.propublica.org/article/mike-johnson-evangelical-pastor-steve-berger-roommates>

    --bks

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  • From Blue Lives Matter@21:1/5 to Sherman on Sun Mar 2 08:44:36 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 13:14:39 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    | Priest Defrocked After Copying Elon Musk's Salute at
    | Pro-Life Summit

    | "Slavery produced a genuine affection between the races":
    | Hegseth's church foretold "DEI" firings

    |
    | Speaker Mike Johnson Is Living in a D.C. House That Is the
    | Center of a Pastor's Secretive Influence Campaign
    | ...
    <https://www.propublica.org/article/mike-johnson-evangelical-pastor-steve-berger-roommates>

    --bks

    How can it be secret if noodlehead like you know about it?

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Sherman on Sun Mar 2 09:39:30 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 13:14:39 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Bradley K.
    Sherman) wrote:

    | Priest Defrocked After Copying Elon Musk's Salute at
    | Pro-Life Summit

    | "Slavery produced a genuine affection between the races":
    | Hegseth's church foretold "DEI" firings

    |
    | Speaker Mike Johnson Is Living in a D.C. House That Is the
    | Center of a Pastor's Secretive Influence Campaign
    | ...
    <https://www.propublica.org/article/mike-johnson-evangelical-pastor-steve-berger-roommates>

    --bks

    Propublica? I think you meant Pravada.

    Laughter.

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