• Re: Hegseth Clear - NOT Cutting Defense Funding - Just "Re-Allocating"

    From c186282@21:1/5 to Keith Palmer on Sat Feb 22 01:07:14 2025
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    On 2/21/25 10:54 PM, Keith Palmer wrote:
    If the government says so, it must be true.


    Well, never go THAT far :-)

    BUT, Hegseth at least SEEMS to be on the logical track.
    MIGHT go off it eventually - but we'll have to just wait
    and see.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 06:48:06 2025
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    c186282 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/21/25 10:54 PM, Keith Palmer wrote:
    If the government says so, it must be true.

    Well, never go THAT far :-)

    BUT, Hegseth at least SEEMS to be on the logical track.
    MIGHT go off it eventually - but we'll have to just wait
    and see.

    Wait until his first binge-drinking episode in his new job.

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    probably parked.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 03:41:47 2025
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    c186282 wrote:
    On 2/21/25 10:54 PM, Keith Palmer wrote:
    If the government says so, it must be true.


      Well, never go THAT far  :-)

      BUT, Hegseth at least SEEMS to be on the logical track.
      MIGHT go off it eventually - but we'll have to just wait
      and see.

    Superiority -- Arthur C Clarke
    (Inspired by German wonder weapons that cost it the war.)

    IN MAKING THIS STATEMENT—which I do of my own free will—I wish
    first to make it perfectly clear that I am not in any way trying
    to gain sympathy, nor do I expect any mitigation of whatever
    sentence the Court may pronounce. I am writing this in an attempt
    to refute some of the lying reports broadcast over the prison
    radio and published in the papers I have been allowed to see.
    These have given an entirely false picture of the true cause of
    our defeat, and as the leader of my race's armed forces at the
    cessation of hostilities I feel it my duty to protest against such
    libels upon those who served under me.

    I also hope that this statement may explain the reasons for the
    application I have twice made to the Court, and will now induce it
    to grant a favor for which I can see no possible grounds of refusal.

    The ultimate cause of our failure was a simple one: despite all
    statements to the contrary, it was not due to lack of bravery on
    the part of our men, or to any fault of the Fleet's. We were
    defeated by one thing only—by the inferior science of our enemies.
    I repeat—by the inferior science of our enemies.

    When the war opened we had no doubt of our ultimate victory. The
    combined fleets of our allies greatly exceeded in number and
    armament those which the enemy could muster against us, and in
    almost all branches of military science we were their superiors.
    We were sure that we could maintain this superiority. Our belief
    proved, alas, to be only too well founded.

    At the opening of the war our main weapons were the long-range
    homing torpedo, dirigible ball-lightning and the various
    modifications of the Klydon beam. Every unit of the Fleet was
    equipped with these and though the enemy possessed similar weapons
    their installations were generally of lesser power. Moreover, we
    had behind us a far greater military Research Organization, and
    with this initial advantage we could not possibly lose.

    The campaign proceeded according to plan until the Battle of the
    Five Suns. We won this, of course, but the opposition proved
    stronger than we had expected. It was realized that victory might
    be more difficult, and more delayed, than had first been imagined.
    A conference of supreme commanders was therefore called to discuss
    our future strategy.

    Present for the first time at one of our war conferences was
    Professor-General Norden, the new Chief of the Research Staff, who
    had just been appointed to fill the gap left by the death of
    Malvar, our greatest scientist. Malvar's leadership had been
    responsible, more than any other single factor, for the efficiency
    and power of our weapons. His loss was a very serious blow, but no
    one doubted the brilliance of his successor—though many of us
    disputed the wisdom of appointing a theoretical scientist to fill
    a post of such vital importance. But we had been overruled.

    I can well remember the impression Norden made at that conference.
    The military advisers were worried, and as usual turned to the
    scientists for help. Would it be possible to improve our existing
    weapons, they asked, so that our present advantage could be
    increased still further?

    Norden's reply was quite unexpected. Malvar had often been asked
    such a question—and he had always done what we requested.

    "Frankly, gentlemen," said Norden, "I doubt it. Our existing
    weapons have practically reached finality. I don't wish to
    criticize my predecessor, or the excellent work done by the
    Research Staff in the last few generations, but do you realize
    that there has been no basic change in armaments for over a
    century? It is, I am afraid, the result of a tradition that has
    become conservative. For too long, the Research Staff has devoted
    itself to perfecting old weapons instead of developing new ones.
    It is fortunate for us that our opponents have been no wiser: we
    cannot assume that this will always be so."

    Norden's words left an uncomfortable impression, as he had no
    doubt intended. He quickly pressed home the attack.

    "What we want are new weapons—weapons totally different from any
    that have been employed before. Such weapons can be made: it will
    take time, of course, but since assuming charge I have replaced
    some of the older scientists with young men and have directed
    research into several unexplored fields which show great promise.
    I believe, in fact, that a revolution in warfare may soon be upon us."

    We were skeptical. There was a bombastic tone in Norden's voice
    that made us suspicious of his claims. We did not know, then, that
    he never promised anything that he had not already almost
    perfected in the laboratory. In the laboratory—that was the
    operative phrase.

    Norden proved his case less than a month later, when he
    demonstrated the Sphere of Annihilation, which produced complete
    disintegration of matter over a radius of several hundred meters.
    We were intoxicated by the power of the new weapon, and were quite
    prepared to overlook one fundamental defect—the fact that it was a
    sphere and hence destroyed its rather complicated generating
    equipment at the instant of formation. This meant, of course, that
    it could not be used on warships but only on guided missiles, and
    a great program was started to convert all homing torpedoes to
    carry the new weapon. For the time being all further offensives
    were suspended.

    We realize now that this was our first mistake. I still think that
    it was a natural one, for it seemed to us then that all our
    existing weapons had become obsolete overnight, and we already
    regarded them as almost primitive survivals. What we did not
    appreciate was the magnitude of the task we were attempting, and
    the length of time it would take to get the revolutionary
    super-weapon into battle. Nothing like this had happened for a
    hundred years and we had no previous experience to guide us.

    The conversion problem proved far more difficult than anticipated.
    A new class of torpedo had to be designed, as the standard model
    was too small. This meant in turn that only the larger ships could
    launch the weapon, but we were prepared to accept this penalty.
    After six months, the heavy units of the Fleet were being equipped
    with the Sphere. Training maneuvers and tests had shown that it
    was operating satisfactorily and we were ready to take it into
    action. Norden was already being hailed as the architect of
    victory, and had half promised even more spectacular weapons.

    Then two things happened. One of our battleships disappeared
    completely on a training flight, and an investigation showed that
    under certain conditions the ship's long-range radar could trigger
    the Sphere immediately after it had been launched. The
    modification needed to overcome this defect was trivial, but it
    caused a delay of another month and was the source of much bad
    feeling between the naval staff and the scientists. We were ready
    for action again—when Norden announced that the radius of
    effectiveness of the Sphere had now been increased by ten, thus
    multiplying by a thousand the chances of destroying an enemy ship.

    So the modifications started all over again, but everyone agreed
    that the delay would be worth it. Meanwhile, however, the enemy
    had been emboldened by the absence of further attacks and had made
    an unexpected onslaught. Our ships were short of torpedoes, since
    none had been coming from the factories, and were forced to
    retire. So we lost the systems of Kyrane and Floranus, and the
    planetary fortress of Rhamsandron.

    It was an annoying but not a serious blow, for the recaptured
    systems had been unfriendly, and difficult to administer. We had
    no doubt that we could restore the position in the near future, as
    soon as the new weapon became operational.

    These hopes were only partially fulfilled. When we renewed our
    offensive, we had to do so with fewer of the Spheres of
    Annihilation than had been planned, and this was one reason for
    our limited success. The other reason was more serious.

    While we had been equipping as many of our ships as we could with
    the irresistible weapon, the enemy had been building feverishly.
    His ships were of the old pattern with the old weapons—but they
    now out-numbered ours. When we went into action, we found that the
    numbers ranged against us were often 100 percent greater than
    expected, causing target confusion among the automatic weapons and
    resulting in higher losses than anticipated. The enemy losses were
    higher still, for once a Sphere had reached its objective,
    destruction was certain, but the balance had not swung as far in
    our favor as we had hoped.

    Moreover, while the main fleets had been engaged, the enemy had
    launched a daring attack on the lightly held systems of Eriston,
    Duranus, Carmanidora and Pharanidon—recapturing them all. We were
    thus faced with a threat only fifty light-years from our home planets.

    There was much recrimination at the next meeting of the supreme
    commanders. Most of the complaints were addressed to Norden-Grand
    Admiral Taxaris in particular maintaining that thanks to our
    admittedly irresistible weapon we were now considerably worse off
    than before. We should, he claimed, have continued to build
    conventional ships, thus preventing the loss of our numerical
    superiority.

    Norden was equally angry and called the naval staff ungrateful
    bunglers. But I could tell that he was worried—as indeed we all
    were—by the unexpected turn of events. He hinted that there might
    be a speedy way of remedying the situation.

    We now know that Research had been working on the Battle Analyzer
    for many years, but at the time it came as a revelation to us and
    perhaps we were too easily swept off our feet. Norden's argument,
    also, was seductively convincing. What did it matter, he said, if
    the enemy had twice as many ships as we—if the efficiency of ours
    could be doubled or even trebled? For decades the limiting factor
    in warfare had been not mechanical but biological—it had become
    more and more difficult for any single mind, or group of minds, to
    cope with the rapidly changing complexities of battle in
    three-dimensional space. Norden's mathematicians had analyzed some
    of the classic engagements of the past, and had shown that even
    when we had been victorious we had often operated our units at
    much less than half of their theoretical efficiency.

    The Battle Analyzer would change all this by replacing the
    operations staff with electronic calculators. The idea was not
    new, in theory, but until now it had been no more than a Utopian
    dream. Many of us found it difficult to believe that it was still
    anything but a dream: after we had run through several very
    complex dummy battles, however, we were convinced.

    It was decided to install the Analyzer in four of our heaviest
    ships, so that each of the main fleets could be equipped with one.
    At this stage, the trouble began—though we did not know it until
    later.

    The Analyzer contained just short of a million vacuum tubes and
    needed a team of five hundred technicians to maintain and operate
    it. It was quite impossible to accommodate the extra staff aboard
    a battleship, so each of the four units had to be accompanied by a
    converted liner to carry the technicians not on duty. Installation
    was also a very slow and tedious business, but by gigantic efforts
    it was completed in six months.

    Then, to our dismay, we were confronted by another crisis. Nearly
    five thousand highly skilled men had been selected to serve the
    Analyzers and had been given an intensive course at the Technical
    Training Schools. At the end of seven months, 10 percent of them
    had had nervous breakdowns and only 40 per cent had qualified.

    Once again, everyone started to blame everyone else. Norden, of
    course, said that the Research Staff could not be held
    responsible, and so incurred the enmity of the Personnel and
    Training Commands. It was finally decided that the only thing to
    do was to use two instead of four Analyzers and to bring the
    others into action as soon as men could be trained. There was
    little time to lose, for the enemy was still on the offensive and
    his morale was rising.

    The first Analyzer fleet was ordered to recapture the system of
    Eriston. On the way, by one of the hazards of war, the liner
    carrying the technicians was struck by a roving mine. A warship
    would have survived, but the liner with its irreplaceable cargo
    was totally destroyed. So the operation had to be abandoned.

    The other expedition was, at first, more successful. There was no
    doubt at all that the Analyzer fulfilled its designers' claims,
    and the enemy was heavily defeated in the first engagements. He
    withdrew, leaving us in possession of Saphran, Leucon and
    Hexanerax. But his Intelligence Staff must have noted the change
    in our tactics and the inexplicable presence of a liner in the
    heart of our battlefleet. It must have noted, also, that our first
    fleet had been accompanied by a similar ship—and had withdrawn
    when it had been destroyed.

    In the next engagement, the enemy used his superior numbers to
    launch an overwhelming attack on the Analyzer ship and its unarmed
    consort. The attack was made without regard to losses—both ships
    were, of course, very heavily protected—and it succeeded. The
    result was the virtual decapitation of the Fleet, since an
    effectual transfer to the old operational methods proved
    impossible. We disengaged under heavy fire, and so lost all our
    gains and also the systems of Lormyia, Ismarnus, Beronis,
    Alphanidon and Sideneus.

    At this stage, Grand Admiral Taxaris expressed his disapproval of
    Norden by committing suicide, and I assumed supreme command.

    The situation was now both serious and infuriating. With stubborn
    conservatism and complete lack of imagination, the enemy continued
    to advance with his old-fashioned and inefficient but now vastly
    more numerous ships. It was galling to realize that if we had only
    continued building, without seeking new weapons, we would have
    been in a far more advantageous position. There were many
    acrimonious conferences at which Norden defended the scientists
    while everyone else blamed them for all that had happened. The
    difficulty was that Norden had proved every one of his claims: he
    had a perfect excuse for all the disasters that had occurred. And
    we could not now turn back—the search for an irresistible weapon
    must go on. At first it had been a luxury that would shorten the
    war. Now it was a necessity if we were to end it victoriously.

    We were on the defensive, and so was Norden. He was more than ever
    determined to reestablish his prestige and that of the Research
    Staff. But we had been twice disappointed, and would not make the
    same mistake again. No doubt Norden's twenty thousand scientists
    would produce many further weapons: we would remain unimpressed.

    We were wrong. The final weapon was something so fantastic that
    even now it seems difficult to believe that it ever existed. Its
    innocent, noncommittal name—The Exponential Field—gave no hint of
    its real potentialities. Some of Norden's mathematicians had
    discovered it during a piece of entirely theoretical research into
    the properties of space, and to everyone's great surprise their
    results were found to be physically realizable.

    It seems very difficult to explain the operation of the Field to
    the layman. According to the technical description, it "produces
    an exponential condition of space, so that a finite distance in
    normal, linear space may become infinite in pseudo-space." Norden
    gave an analogy which some of us found useful. It was as if one
    took a flat disk of rubber—representing a region of normal
    space—and then pulled its center out to infinity. The
    circumference of the disk would be unaltered—but its "diameter"
    would be infinite. That was the sort of thing the generator of the
    Field did to the space around it.

    As an example, suppose that a ship carrying the generator was
    surrounded by a ring of hostile machines. If it switched on the
    Field, each of the enemy ships would think that it—and the ships
    on the far side of the circle—had suddenly receded into
    nothingness. Yet the circumference of the circle would be the same
    as before: only the journey to the center would be of infinite
    duration, for as one proceeded, distances would appear to become
    greater and greater as the "scale" of space altered.

    It was a nightmare condition, but a very useful one. Nothing could
    reach a ship carrying the Field: it might be englobed by an enemy
    fleet yet would be as inaccessible as if it were at the other side
    of the Universe. Against this, of course, it could not fight back
    without switching off the Field, but this still left it at a very
    great advantage, not only in defense but in offense. For a ship
    fitted with the Field could approach an enemy fleet undetected and
    suddenly appear in its midst.

    This time there seemed to be no flaws in the new weapon. Needless
    to say, we looked for all the possible objections before we
    committed ourselves again. Fortunately the equipment was fairly
    simple and did not require a large operating staff. After much
    debate, we decided to rush it into production, for we realized
    that time was running short and the war was going against us. We
    had now lost about the whole of our initial gains and enemy forces
    had made several raids into our own solar system.

    We managed to hold off the enemy while the Fleet was reequipped
    and the new battle techniques were worked out. To use the Field
    operationally it was necessary to locate an enemy formation, set a
    course that would intercept it, and then switch on the generator
    for the calculated period of time. On releasing the Field again—if
    the calculations had been accurate—one would be in the enemy's
    midst and could do great damage during the resulting confusion,
    retreating by the same route when necessary.

    The first trial maneuvers proved satisfactory and the equipment
    seemed quite reliable. Numerous mock attacks were made and the
    crews became accustomed to the new technique. I was on one of the
    test flights and can vividly remember my impressions as the Field
    was switched on. The ships around us seemed to dwindle as if on
    the surface of an expanding bubble: in an instant they had
    vanished completely. So had the stars—but presently we could see
    that the Galaxy was still visible as a faint band of light around
    the ship. The virtual radius of our pseudo-space was not really
    infinite, but some hundred thousand light-years, and so the
    distance to the farthest stars of our system had not been greatly increased—though the nearest had of course totally disappeared.
    These training maneuvers, however, had to be canceled before they
    were completed, owing to a whole flock of minor technical troubles
    in various pieces of equipment, notably the communications
    circuits. These were annoying, but not important, though it was
    thought best to return to Base to clear them up.

    At that moment the enemy made what was obviously intended to be a
    decisive attack against the fortress planet of Iton at the limits
    of our Solar System. The Fleet had to go into battle before
    repairs could be made.

    The enemy must have believed that we had mastered the secret of invisibility—as in a sense we had. Our ships appeared suddenly out
    of no-where and inflicted tremendous damage—for a while. And then
    something quite baffling and inexplicable happened.

    I was in command of the flagship Hircania when the trouble
    started. We had been operating as independent units, each against
    assigned objectives. Our detectors observed an enemy formation at
    medium range and the navigating officers measured its distance
    with great accuracy. We set course and switched on the generator.

    The Exponential Field was released at the moment when we should
    have been passing through the center of the enemy group. To our
    consternation, we emerged into normal space at a distance of many
    hundred miles—and when we found the enemy, he had already found
    us. We retreated, and tried again. This time we were so far away
    from the enemy that he located us first.

    Obviously, something was seriously wrong. We broke communicator
    silence and tried to contact the other ships of the Fleet to see
    if they had experienced the same trouble. Once again we failed—and
    this time the failure was beyond all reason, for the communication
    equipment appeared to be working perfectly. We could only assume,
    fantastic though it seemed, that the rest of the Fleet had been
    destroyed.

    I do not wish to describe the scenes when the scattered units of
    the Fleet struggled back to Base. Our casualties had actually been
    negligible, but the ships were completely demoralized. Almost all
    had lost touch with one another and had found that their ranging
    equipment showed inexplicable errors. It was obvious that the
    Exponential Field was the cause of the troubles, despite the fact
    that they were only apparent when it was switched off.

    The explanation came too late to do us any good, and Norden's
    final discomfiture was small consolation for the virtual loss of
    the war. As I have explained, the Field generators produced a
    radial distortion of space, distances appearing greater and
    greater as one approached the center of the artificial
    pseudo-space. When the Field was switched off, conditions returned
    to normal.

    But not quite. It was never possible to restore the initial state
    exactly. Switching the Field on and off was equivalent to an
    elongation and contraction of the ship carrying the generator, but
    there was a hysteretic effect, as it were, and the initial
    condition was never quite reproducible, owing to all the thousands
    of electrical changes and movements of mass aboard the ship while
    the Field was on. These asymmetries and distortions were
    cumulative, and though they seldom amounted to more than a
    fraction of one per cent, that was quite enough. It meant that the
    precision ranging equipment and the tuned circuits in the
    communication apparatus were thrown completely out of adjustment.
    Any single ship could never detect the change—only when it
    compared its equipment with that of another vessel, or tried to
    communicate with it, could it tell what had happened.

    It is impossible to describe the resultant chaos. Not a single
    component of one ship could be expected with certainty to work
    aboard another. The very nuts and bolts were no longer
    interchangeable, and the supply position became quite impossible.
    Given time, we might even have overcome these difficulties, but
    the enemy ships were already attacking in thousands with weapons
    which now seemed centuries behind those that we had invented. Our
    magnificent Fleet, crippled by our own science, fought on as best
    it could until it was overwhelmed and forced to surrender. The
    ships fitted with the Field were still invulnerable, but as
    fighting units they were almost helpless. Every time they switched
    on their generators to escape from enemy attack, the permanent
    distortion of their equipment increased. In a month, it was all over.

    THIS IS THE true story of our defeat, which I give without
    prejudice to my defense before this Court. I make it, as I have
    said, to counteract the libels that have been circulating against
    the men who fought under me, and to show where the true blame for
    our misfortunes lay.

    Finally, my request, which as the Court will now realize I make in
    no frivolous manner and which I hope will therefore be granted.

    The Court will be aware that the conditions under which we are
    housed and the constant surveillance to which we are subjected
    night and day are somewhat distressing. Yet I am not complaining
    of this: nor do I complain of the fact that shortage of
    accommodation has made it necessary to house us in pairs.

    But I cannot be held responsible for my future actions if I am
    compelled any longer to share my cell with Professor Norden, late
    Chief of the Research Staff of my armed forces.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Sat Feb 22 07:32:05 2025
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    Siri Cruise wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    Superiority -- Arthur C Clarke
    (Inspired by German wonder weapons that cost it the war.)

    <snip>

    Saved for later reading.

    In dog beers I've only had one.

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    If a can of Alpo costs 38 cents, would it cost $2.50 in Dog Dollars?

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