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    From c186282@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 20 02:10:51 2025
    XPost: alt.science, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    https://greekreporter.com/2025/02/20/scientists-human-language-gene-mice-voice-change/

    Researchers have identified a gene that could help explain
    how humans developed spoken language. The gene, known as
    NOVA1, is unique in humans and appears to influence
    vocalization patterns.

    A study led by scientists at Rockefeller University and
    Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in New York found that when
    the human version of NOVA1 was introduced into mice,
    their vocalizations changed. While the number of sounds
    remained the same, their pitch and complexity shifted.

    . . .

    Interesting !

    Mice lack enough brain to really "talk" in the
    usual sense, but THIS induced mutation does show
    how even one gene could have boosted hominid
    capability.

    Suggestion - try it on chimps/bonobo

    I'd rec bonobo - they're far less hostile
    than chimps ...

    Some low-level "planet of the apes" thing
    may NOT be so bad. Chimps/bonobos are kinda
    at least up to human 3-4 year level in many
    respects. For survival reasons, maybe it's
    time to let them speak for themselves.

    No, they're not gonna out-breed/control us.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 20 16:17:20 2025
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    c186282 wrote:

      Mice lack enough brain to really "talk" in the
      usual sense, but THIS induced mutation does show
      how even one gene could have boosted hominid
      capability.

      Suggestion - try it on chimps/bonobo

      I'd rec bonobo - they're far less hostile
      than chimps ...

      Some low-level "planet of the apes" thing
      may NOT be so bad. Chimps/bonobos are kinda
      at least up to human 3-4 year level in many
      respects. For survival reasons, maybe it's
      time to let them speak for themselves.

      No, they're not gonna out-breed/control us.

    As an aside language has been an important driver in human
    evolution. Humans choke to death far more than other primates and
    mammals. We evolved a throat that allows much greater control in
    sound production; it also made choking easier. The selection for
    language outweighed the anti-selection for dying.

    Another case is chewing and teeth. We have reached the point where
    we can no longer eat enough without cooking. Our lighter and
    weaker jaws allow subtle, complex, and precise sound production.
    These had a secondary evolution that our intestines are smaller
    and also depend food being partially digested by cooking.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Fri Feb 21 19:13:07 2025
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    On 2/20/25 7:17 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    c186282 wrote:

       Mice lack enough brain to really "talk" in the
       usual sense, but THIS induced mutation does show
       how even one gene could have boosted hominid
       capability.

       Suggestion - try it on chimps/bonobo

       I'd rec bonobo - they're far less hostile
       than chimps ...

       Some low-level "planet of the apes" thing
       may NOT be so bad. Chimps/bonobos are kinda
       at least up to human 3-4 year level in many
       respects. For survival reasons, maybe it's
       time to let them speak for themselves.

       No, they're not gonna out-breed/control us.

    As an aside language has been an important driver in human evolution.
    Humans choke to death far more than other primates and mammals. We
    evolved a throat that allows much greater control in sound production;
    it also made choking easier. The selection for language outweighed the anti-selection for dying.

    Another case is chewing and teeth. We have reached the point where we
    can no longer eat enough without cooking. Our lighter and weaker jaws
    allow subtle, complex, and precise sound production. These had a
    secondary evolution that our intestines are smaller and also depend food being partially digested by cooking.


    Darwin demands trade-offs sometimes.

    Note that evolution kinda works with what it's got.
    Little bits get bigger or smaller or move around a
    little but it's the SAME STUFF underneath. Elephants
    did not suddenly get stainless-steel tusks, humans
    got more brain but no silicon chips/wiring or built
    in radio comms.

    A math chip woulda been nice.

    Any really radical changes - we're gonna have to
    engineer that ourselves.

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