• Re: Stock Market Plunges

    From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Feb 7 14:50:19 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On 2/7/25 8:21 AM, -hh wrote:
    On 2/7/25 6:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:16:08 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:08 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:57:55 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:15 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:56:27 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:02 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 4:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 12:42 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse >>>>>>>>>>>> code:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    <snip>

    Question is which Media outlets will report on the USA's >>>>>>>>>>> obligation.

    Exactly. American main media generally sane-washes Trump. And >>>>>>>>>> they are
    generally quite incomplete in their research. They won't
    report the gun export
    information.

    Precisely.

    They don't report that Musk's minions are accessing classified >>>>>>>>>> data without
    clearance. They don't report that Musk's takeover is fucking >>>>>>>>>> ILLEGAL.
    The mainsteam media is an ass.

    I'm worried for those who are going to get hurt bad by it.  The >>>>>>>>> manager
    that I replaced at work ~4 years ago told me literally this
    morning that
    instead of retiring this spring, he's accept "the offer" to get >>>>>>>>> an extra
    few months of pay.  I noted VERA/VSIP reg's & wished him best >>>>>>>>> of luck.
    Amazed that he's gambling his ~$75K/yr pension for so
    relatively little.

    I have a friend in the VA chewing on that deal. He was planning >>>>>>>> on retiring
    about now, but....

    I hope he realizes it is a scam promoted by Muskrat, who pulled >>>>>>>> the same trick
    on the Twitter employees he laid off when he took over.

    Reportedly, there's another (yet again) revised version out today >>>>>>> which
    has added a whole bunch of legal fine print.  Basically, lots of >>>>>>> bailout
    conditions where they won't have to pay the employee.


    "Reporedly"??

    Laughter.

    Go check the overnight updates yourself.

    It's your claim, you support it.
    I won't do your homework.


    Here's a start:

    <https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/union-lawsuit-
    seeks-to-block-deferred-resignation-program/>

    You're claiming something about a "revised version...which has added a
    whole bunch of legal fine print"

    Nothing about it at your citation.

    Quit dodging.  Can you support this claim or not?

    Here's one letter that's currently on the OPM website.  Its a January version, not the February versions which went out this week:

    <https://www.opm.gov/fork>

    And below is the link to one of this week's updates:

    <https://www.chcoc.gov/content/legality-deferred-resignation-program>


    The exercise is left up to the readers to compare the two to see if the
    2/4/25 letter (8 pages) has more 'legalese' than the 1/28/25 (3 pages) one.

    -hh


    But in the meantime, you claimed that big drops like Monday's are very
    routine in the Stock Market, and asked to substantiate that claim.

    Actually you didn't ask but just in recent history there have been
    changes up and down and 600 or more points.

    https://www.cnbctv18.com/market/wall-street-slips-as-2024-nears-close-
    dow-jones-drops-over-600-points-19532067.htm

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-
    fed/index.html

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-09-03/stock-market-today-
    wall-street-tumbles-on-worries-about-the-economy-and-dow-drops-more-
    than-600

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/dow-slides-500-points-sp-500-
    retreats-record-nasdaq-hits-new-heights-rcna153781

    Now you're going to ramble about something that makes no sense.

    So count up the occurrences and show us how routine these magnitudes of
    drops actually are.

    Have you done that yet?
    ecause if not, you're knowingly being a hypocrite.  Again.

    Laughter.  Still waiting for you to support your FIRST claim yet you
    demand I answer your questions.

    Already done.

       This morning's is saying that
    LOGIN.GOV has been compromised & to not log in.

    Citation?

    Nothing in the news.  How odd.

    Do you not know how to look, or did you not bother to look any further
    than Fox News?


    <https://idtechwire.com/social-security-makes-login-gov-mandatory-
    for-online-users/>

    Nothing about a compromised log in as you claimed.

    Of course not, because that's a page from last summer that documents
    that Social Security recipients now have to have a LOGIN.GOV account.

    If I hadn't provided that, you would have tried to scream that SS wasn't
    at risk from this compromised report.


    <https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/elon-musks-doge-team-now-has-access-
    to-us-governments-payments-system-7614722>


    Same.

    Oh, so you don't believe that Social Security checks are a Federal payment?

    Keep on struggling.


    -hh

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Feb 8 09:37:22 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:04:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:50 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:22:45 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:52:48 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 13:20:09 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 15:07:44 -0000, [email protected] (Bradley K. Sherman) >>>>>>>> wrote:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    --bks

    Wow the Dow dropped to 44.4.

    <eyeroll>

    Well, it was at a high of 45,015 so that is bit of a slide ...


    600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly.

    Care to document your claim that this magnitude of a swing is such a >>>>> "oh, no big deal" commonplace occurrence?

    This is not what I said, was it?

    Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently."

    I did not say that. Be accurate when you quote me please.

    The full quote (which is still also included ~7 lines above):

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    Here's what you said oh clueless one:

    "Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently.""

    Do you see how that's not the same thing?



    So your complaint is a Grammar Nazi one in that I changed the "The" to
    "the" because it was preceded with a colon instead of a period. Right?


    No you idiot. Read it over and over again until you see your huge
    misquote. No grammar involved whatsoever.


    I've
    already provided you multiple examples of it happening in just the
    last year.

    Not in this thread you haven't: the only Points and Dates you've posted
    was:

    Oh good grief..

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/01/stock-market-today-live-updates.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/23/investing/dow-falls-waiting-fed-rate-cut/index.html

    https://nypost.com/2024/11/21/business/dow-jumps-over-600-points-nasdaq-rebounds-in-volatile-wall-street-trading/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-futures-dip-from-record-high

    https://www.fxstreet.com/news/dow-jones-industrial-average-tumbles-380-points-on-thursday-as-rate-cut-hopes-deflate-202405231724


    I can keep going if you'd like but the markets are volatile and
    changes this large are rather common in modern times.



    "Laughter. 800 points in a day in 2020 with the market at 21K is more >significant than 600 in 2024 with the market at 44K."

    Free clue: last year was not 2020.

    You claimed it doesn't happen. Guess what, it does. See above.


    Granted, 2024 also had some days with a big High-Low swing in volatility >which exceeded the 715.48 swing of last Monday (3 Feb 25), but how many
    were there actually? Once per week? More?


    Look at you trying to make me quantity a word.

    It happens. It's not unusual.

    Get over it.

    Plus how many/few were predicated on drops instead of booms with the
    market closing much higher from its open?

    Do your damn homework before making your claims.


    Laughter about a guy who can't even quote me correctly.


    You sound like my weather app that says "temperatures to plunge" every >>>> day when it changes by 5 degrees.

    Trying to weasel out of your claim, we see. No, the analogy to outdoor
    temperature changes would need to exceed �3?, so a ~50 degree change.


    I gave you an analogy -- and your answer makes zero sense.

    Your analogy attempt mislead on variance magnitude. Deliberately.

    Run, run, run.



    Because the DJIA's 600 point swing was was getting close to cracking the >>>>> list of the Top 20 largest intraday point swings:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_daily_changes_in_the_Dow_Jones_Industrial_Average#Largest_intraday_point_changes>

    Laughter. 800 points in a day in 2020 with the market at 21K is more
    significant than 600 in 2024 with the market at 44K.

    Trying to change the subject!


    You've got a real problem being intellectually honest don't you? I'm
    remembering why you got dropped in the kill file.

    Yes: because you lose, so you hide them to give you refuge.

    Laughter. So few people go in my killfile. Only people who declare
    victory without facts and refue to address what's put in front of
    them.

    Oh and those who will lie about what I've posted too.

    Last chance.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sat Feb 8 09:22:54 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On 2/6/25 7:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
    ...

    Oh and look, the market futures have the Dow at 45K today.

    So much for your original "point".


    Gosh, wonder where NoBody went..."run away"?

    In any event, the above is an example of why one is better off examining
    longer term trends than the daily bouncing of the ball, to at the very
    least, a week over week perspective. Case in point:

    "Stock market suffers weekly loss after Trump tariff jitters strike again"

    <https://www.marketwatch.com/story/s-p-500-hit-with-weekly-loss-after-renewed-tariff-jitters-in-u-s-stock-market-8a1beb16>

    FWIW, the article's second chart noted that all three major US indexes
    were down for the week: SP500 -0.2%; DJIA -0.5%; NASDAQ -0.5%.

    Since NoBody was trying to hang his hat on futures, a peek this AM shows
    that they're currently: SP500 -0.92%; DJIA -1.0%; NASDAQ -1.36%.

    Naturally, its all subject to change, but the VIX is up, as well as
    UMichigan's inflation expectations survey, which jumped up by a full
    percentage point this past month, from 3.3% to 4.3%:

    <https://mynews13.com/fl/orlando/business/2025/02/07/consumer-sentiment-decline-university-of-michigan-survey>

    <https://data.sca.isr.umich.edu/fetchdoc.php?docid=77942>

    Thus, something to be watching more closely: <https://ycharts.com/indicators/10_year_tipstreasury_breakeven_rate>



    -hh

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Feb 8 09:41:06 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:21:01 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:16:08 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:08 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:57:55 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:15 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:56:27 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:02 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 4:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 12:42 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    <snip>

    Question is which Media outlets will report on the USA's obligation.

    Exactly. American main media generally sane-washes Trump. And they are
    generally quite incomplete in their research. They won't report the gun export
    information.

    Precisely.

    They don't report that Musk's minions are accessing classified data without
    clearance. They don't report that Musk's takeover is fucking ILLEGAL.
    The mainsteam media is an ass.

    I'm worried for those who are going to get hurt bad by it. The manager
    that I replaced at work ~4 years ago told me literally this morning that
    instead of retiring this spring, he's accept "the offer" to get an extra
    few months of pay. I noted VERA/VSIP reg's & wished him best of luck.
    Amazed that he's gambling his ~$75K/yr pension for so relatively little.

    I have a friend in the VA chewing on that deal. He was planning on retiring
    about now, but....

    I hope he realizes it is a scam promoted by Muskrat, who pulled the same trick
    on the Twitter employees he laid off when he took over.

    Reportedly, there's another (yet again) revised version out today which >>>>>>> has added a whole bunch of legal fine print. Basically, lots of bailout
    conditions where they won't have to pay the employee.


    "Reporedly"??

    Laughter.

    Go check the overnight updates yourself.

    It's your claim, you support it.
    I won't do your homework.


    Here's a start:

    <https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/union-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-deferred-resignation-program/>

    You're claiming something about a "revised version...which has added a
    whole bunch of legal fine print"

    Nothing about it at your citation.

    Quit dodging. Can you support this claim or not?

    Here's one letter that's currently on the OPM website. Its a January >version, not the February versions which went out this week:

    <https://www.opm.gov/fork>

    Where's the letter that contains the addition of "fine legal print" as
    you claimed.

    Hint: you don't get away with nonsense when communicating with me.


    But in the meantime, you claimed that big drops like Monday's are very
    routine in the Stock Market, and asked to substantiate that claim.

    Actually you didn't ask but just in recent history there have been
    changes up and down and 600 or more points.

    https://www.cnbctv18.com/market/wall-street-slips-as-2024-nears-close-dow-jones-drops-over-600-points-19532067.htm

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-09-03/stock-market-today-wall-street-tumbles-on-worries-about-the-economy-and-dow-drops-more-than-600

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/dow-slides-500-points-sp-500-retreats-record-nasdaq-hits-new-heights-rcna153781

    Now you're going to ramble about something that makes no sense.

    So count up the occurrences and show us how routine these magnitudes of
    drops actually are.

    Have you done that yet?
    ecause if not, you're knowingly being a hypocrite. Again.

    Laughter. Still waiting for you to support your FIRST claim yet you
    demand I answer your questions.

    Already done.

    Laughter....
    You're delusional.


    This morning's is saying that
    LOGIN.GOV has been compromised & to not log in.

    Citation?

    Nothing in the news. How odd.

    Do you not know how to look, or did you not bother to look any further
    than Fox News?


    <https://idtechwire.com/social-security-makes-login-gov-mandatory-for-online-users/>

    Nothing about a compromised log in as you claimed.

    Of course not, because that's a page from last summer that documents
    that Social Security recipients now have to have a LOGIN.GOV account.

    If I hadn't provided that, you would have tried to scream that SS wasn't
    at risk from this compromised report.


    Dude: Last time.

    Provide a citation to your claim that the log in was compromised as
    you claimed or admit you lied about it.




    <https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/elon-musks-doge-team-now-has-access-to-us-governments-payments-system-7614722>


    Same.

    Oh, so you don't believe that Social Security checks are a Federal
    payment?

    Keep on struggling.


    You made a specific claim and have not supported it.
    You're the one drowning here.
    I'm standing on the shore watching, pointing and laughing.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sat Feb 8 13:52:37 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On 2/8/25 9:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:21:01 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:16:08 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:08 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:57:55 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:15 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:56:27 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:02 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 4:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 12:42 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    <snip>

    Question is which Media outlets will report on the USA's obligation.

    Exactly. American main media generally sane-washes Trump. And they are
    generally quite incomplete in their research. They won't report the gun export
    information.

    Precisely.

    They don't report that Musk's minions are accessing classified data without
    clearance. They don't report that Musk's takeover is fucking ILLEGAL.
    The mainsteam media is an ass.

    I'm worried for those who are going to get hurt bad by it. The manager
    that I replaced at work ~4 years ago told me literally this morning that
    instead of retiring this spring, he's accept "the offer" to get an extra
    few months of pay. I noted VERA/VSIP reg's & wished him best of luck.
    Amazed that he's gambling his ~$75K/yr pension for so relatively little.

    I have a friend in the VA chewing on that deal. He was planning on retiring
    about now, but....

    I hope he realizes it is a scam promoted by Muskrat, who pulled the same trick
    on the Twitter employees he laid off when he took over.

    Reportedly, there's another (yet again) revised version out today which
    has added a whole bunch of legal fine print. Basically, lots of bailout
    conditions where they won't have to pay the employee.


    "Reporedly"??

    Laughter.

    Go check the overnight updates yourself.

    It's your claim, you support it.
    I won't do your homework.


    Here's a start:

    <https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/union-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-deferred-resignation-program/>

    You're claiming something about a "revised version...which has added a
    whole bunch of legal fine print"

    Nothing about it at your citation.

    Quit dodging. Can you support this claim or not?

    Here's one letter that's currently on the OPM website. Its a January
    version, not the February versions which went out this week:

    <https://www.opm.gov/fork>

    Where's the letter that contains the addition of "fine legal print" as
    you claimed.

    Its in my other 2/7/25 reply (14:30), which you avoided responding to.



    Hint: you don't get away with nonsense when communicating with me.


    But in the meantime, you claimed that big drops like Monday's are very >>>> routine in the Stock Market, and asked to substantiate that claim.

    Actually you didn't ask but just in recent history there have been
    changes up and down and 600 or more points.

    https://www.cnbctv18.com/market/wall-street-slips-as-2024-nears-close-dow-jones-drops-over-600-points-19532067.htm

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-09-03/stock-market-today-wall-street-tumbles-on-worries-about-the-economy-and-dow-drops-more-than-600

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/dow-slides-500-points-sp-500-retreats-record-nasdaq-hits-new-heights-rcna153781

    Now you're going to ramble about something that makes no sense.

    So count up the occurrences and show us how routine these magnitudes of
    drops actually are.

    Have you done that yet?
    ecause if not, you're knowingly being a hypocrite. Again.

    Laughter. Still waiting for you to support your FIRST claim yet you
    demand I answer your questions.

    Already done.

    Laughter....
    You're delusional.


    This morning's is saying that
    LOGIN.GOV has been compromised & to not log in.

    Citation?

    Nothing in the news. How odd.

    Do you not know how to look, or did you not bother to look any further >>>> than Fox News?


    <https://idtechwire.com/social-security-makes-login-gov-mandatory-for-online-users/>

    Nothing about a compromised log in as you claimed.

    Of course not, because that's a page from last summer that documents
    that Social Security recipients now have to have a LOGIN.GOV account.

    If I hadn't provided that, you would have tried to scream that SS wasn't
    at risk from this compromised report.


    Dude: Last time.

    Provide a citation to your claim that the log in was compromised as
    you claimed or admit you lied about it.

    Where did I claim specifically that the login was what was compromised?
    Quote it, Mr Grammar Nazi.


    -hh

    <https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/elon-musks-doge-team-now-has-access-to-us-governments-payments-system-7614722>


    Same.

    Oh, so you don't believe that Social Security checks are a Federal
    payment?

    Keep on struggling.


    You made a specific claim and have not supported it.
    You're the one drowning here.
    I'm standing on the shore watching, pointing and laughing.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sat Feb 8 13:48:04 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On 2/8/25 9:37 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:04:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:50 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:22:45 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:52:48 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 13:20:09 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 15:07:44 -0000, [email protected] (Bradley K. Sherman) >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    --bks

    Wow the Dow dropped to 44.4.

    <eyeroll>

    Well, it was at a high of 45,015 so that is bit of a slide ... >>>>>>>>

    600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly.

    Care to document your claim that this magnitude of a swing is such a >>>>>> "oh, no big deal" commonplace occurrence?

    This is not what I said, was it?

    Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently."

    I did not say that. Be accurate when you quote me please.

    The full quote (which is still also included ~7 lines above):

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    Here's what you said oh clueless one:

    "Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently.""

    Do you see how that's not the same thing?



    So your complaint is a Grammar Nazi one in that I changed the "The" to
    "the" because it was preceded with a colon instead of a period. Right?


    No you idiot. Read it over and over again until you see your huge
    misquote. No grammar involved whatsoever.

    Your Grammar Nazi is trying to claim there's a huge difference between:

    "The markets do this consistently."
    and
    "the markets do this consistently."

    If your complaint is that the quote didn't include the prior sentence
    ("600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge"."), then you're trying to
    complain that the context of "this" wasn't already clear. So I'll
    revise accordingly to as follows:

    "The markets do [have 600+ point plunges] consistently."

    I've
    already provided you multiple examples of it happening in just the
    last year.

    Not in this thread you haven't: the only Points and Dates you've posted
    was:

    Oh good grief..

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/01/stock-market-today-live-updates.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/23/investing/dow-falls-waiting-fed-rate-cut/index.html

    https://nypost.com/2024/11/21/business/dow-jumps-over-600-points-nasdaq-rebounds-in-volatile-wall-street-trading/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-futures-dip-from-record-high

    https://www.fxstreet.com/news/dow-jones-industrial-average-tumbles-380-points-on-thursday-as-rate-cut-hopes-deflate-202405231724


    I can keep going if you'd like but the markets are volatile and
    changes this large are rather common in modern times.

    Just not as common as you've tried to suggest, particularly with your 5
    degree temperature change analogy.


    "Laughter. 800 points in a day in 2020 with the market at 21K is more
    significant than 600 in 2024 with the market at 44K."

    Free clue: last year was not 2020.

    You claimed it doesn't happen. Guess what, it does. See above.


    Granted, 2024 also had some days with a big High-Low swing in volatility
    which exceeded the 715.48 swing of last Monday (3 Feb 25), but how many
    were there actually? Once per week? More?


    Look at you trying to make me quantity a word.

    Yup, because "consistently" is conveniently vague.

    It happens. It's not unusual.

    Now quantify "not unusual".

    How much more frequent is "not unusual" encountered versus "rare"?


    Get over it.

    Dodge harder.



    Plus how many/few were predicated on drops instead of booms with the
    market closing much higher from its open?

    Do your damn homework before making your claims.


    Laughter about a guy who can't even quote me correctly.

    Grammar Nazi who's crying over one non-capitalized letter.


    You sound like my weather app that says "temperatures to plunge" every >>>>> day when it changes by 5 degrees.

    Trying to weasel out of your claim, we see. No, the analogy to outdoor >>>> temperature changes would need to exceed ±3?, so a ~50 degree change. >>>>

    I gave you an analogy -- and your answer makes zero sense.

    Your analogy attempt mislead on variance magnitude. Deliberately.

    Run, run, run.

    No, just pointing out your deliberate attempt to deceive & CYA, because
    a daily temperature high minus low typically occurs *daily* in the USA,
    but we don't have 600+ point swings daily in the Stock Market.



    Because the DJIA's 600 point swing was was getting close to cracking the >>>>>> list of the Top 20 largest intraday point swings:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_daily_changes_in_the_Dow_Jones_Industrial_Average#Largest_intraday_point_changes>

    Laughter. 800 points in a day in 2020 with the market at 21K is more >>>>> significant than 600 in 2024 with the market at 44K.

    Trying to change the subject!


    You've got a real problem being intellectually honest don't you? I'm
    remembering why you got dropped in the kill file.

    Yes: because you lose, so you hide them to give you refuge.

    Laughter. So few people go in my killfile. Only people who declare
    victory without facts and refue to address what's put in front of
    them.

    Oh and those who will lie about what I've posted too.

    Last chance.

    Yup, last chance for you to answer the question I posed, which requires
    that your word be replaced with an incontrovertible number.

    As I put to you:

    "Granted, 2024 also had some days with a big High-Low swing in
    volatility which exceeded the 715.48 swing of last Monday (3 Feb 25),
    but how many were there actually? Once per week? More?"

    Well? How *consistently* do such big drops happen?

    "Plus how many/few were predicated on drops instead of booms with the
    market closing much higher from its open?"

    Well?

    Free clue .. from your own above URL's, in order:

    July 26, 2024 - was up, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swing.
    AUG 3 2024 - was down, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swing.
    May 23, 2024 - was down, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swin
    Nov. 21, 2024 - was up, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swing.
    Sep. 3, 2024 - was down, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swing. 05/23/2024 - an attempt to double-count.

    As I said, "Do your damn homework..."


    -hh

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Feb 9 09:13:38 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:52:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/8/25 9:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:21:01 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:16:08 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:08 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:57:55 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:15 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:56:27 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:02 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 4:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 12:42 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    <snip>

    Question is which Media outlets will report on the USA's obligation.

    Exactly. American main media generally sane-washes Trump. And they are
    generally quite incomplete in their research. They won't report the gun export
    information.

    Precisely.

    They don't report that Musk's minions are accessing classified data without
    clearance. They don't report that Musk's takeover is fucking ILLEGAL.
    The mainsteam media is an ass.

    I'm worried for those who are going to get hurt bad by it. The manager
    that I replaced at work ~4 years ago told me literally this morning that
    instead of retiring this spring, he's accept "the offer" to get an extra
    few months of pay. I noted VERA/VSIP reg's & wished him best of luck.
    Amazed that he's gambling his ~$75K/yr pension for so relatively little.

    I have a friend in the VA chewing on that deal. He was planning on retiring
    about now, but....

    I hope he realizes it is a scam promoted by Muskrat, who pulled the same trick
    on the Twitter employees he laid off when he took over.

    Reportedly, there's another (yet again) revised version out today which
    has added a whole bunch of legal fine print. Basically, lots of bailout
    conditions where they won't have to pay the employee.


    "Reporedly"??

    Laughter.

    Go check the overnight updates yourself.

    It's your claim, you support it.
    I won't do your homework.


    Here's a start:

    <https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/union-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-deferred-resignation-program/>

    You're claiming something about a "revised version...which has added a >>>> whole bunch of legal fine print"

    Nothing about it at your citation.

    Quit dodging. Can you support this claim or not?

    Here's one letter that's currently on the OPM website. Its a January
    version, not the February versions which went out this week:

    <https://www.opm.gov/fork>

    Where's the letter that contains the addition of "fine legal print" as
    you claimed.

    Its in my other 2/7/25 reply (14:30), which you avoided responding to.

    Now you're typing in circles in an attempt to avoid admitted your lie.
    You don't get to do that.

    Cite RIGHT here the citation and the added "fine legal print". (Ensure
    that you include a version of the document without the "fine legal
    print").







    Hint: you don't get away with nonsense when communicating with me.

    But it won't stop you from trying I see.



    But in the meantime, you claimed that big drops like Monday's are very >>>>> routine in the Stock Market, and asked to substantiate that claim.

    Actually you didn't ask but just in recent history there have been
    changes up and down and 600 or more points.

    https://www.cnbctv18.com/market/wall-street-slips-as-2024-nears-close-dow-jones-drops-over-600-points-19532067.htm

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-09-03/stock-market-today-wall-street-tumbles-on-worries-about-the-economy-and-dow-drops-more-than-600

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/dow-slides-500-points-sp-500-retreats-record-nasdaq-hits-new-heights-rcna153781

    Now you're going to ramble about something that makes no sense.

    So count up the occurrences and show us how routine these magnitudes of
    drops actually are.

    Have you done that yet?
    ecause if not, you're knowingly being a hypocrite. Again.

    Laughter. Still waiting for you to support your FIRST claim yet you
    demand I answer your questions.

    Already done.

    Laughter....
    You're delusional.



    Silence.


    This morning's is saying that
    LOGIN.GOV has been compromised & to not log in.

    Citation?

    Nothing in the news. How odd.

    Do you not know how to look, or did you not bother to look any further >>>>> than Fox News?


    <https://idtechwire.com/social-security-makes-login-gov-mandatory-for-online-users/>

    Nothing about a compromised log in as you claimed.

    Of course not, because that's a page from last summer that documents
    that Social Security recipients now have to have a LOGIN.GOV account.

    If I hadn't provided that, you would have tried to scream that SS wasn't >>> at risk from this compromised report.


    Dude: Last time.

    Provide a citation to your claim that the log in was compromised as
    you claimed or admit you lied about it.

    Where did I claim specifically that the login was what was compromised?
    Quote it, Mr Grammar Nazi.


    OMG. You have major difficulties in sentence composition. What
    exactly would be the point of advising people to not log in if you are attempting to claim that the actual content is compromised?? Oh, and
    a government-authorized individual having access is not a "compromise"
    unless you want to go down the rabbit hole of claiming all data is
    compromised.


    -hh

    <https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/elon-musks-doge-team-now-has-access-to-us-governments-payments-system-7614722>


    Same.

    Oh, so you don't believe that Social Security checks are a Federal
    payment?

    Keep on struggling.


    You made a specific claim and have not supported it.
    You're the one drowning here.
    I'm standing on the shore watching, pointing and laughing.


    -hh

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Feb 9 09:25:55 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:48:04 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/8/25 9:37 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:04:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:50 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:22:45 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:52:48 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 13:20:09 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 15:07:44 -0000, [email protected] (Bradley K. Sherman) >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    --bks

    Wow the Dow dropped to 44.4.

    <eyeroll>

    Well, it was at a high of 45,015 so that is bit of a slide ... >>>>>>>>>

    600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly.

    Care to document your claim that this magnitude of a swing is such a >>>>>>> "oh, no big deal" commonplace occurrence?

    This is not what I said, was it?

    Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently."

    I did not say that. Be accurate when you quote me please.

    The full quote (which is still also included ~7 lines above):

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    Here's what you said oh clueless one:

    "Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently.""

    Do you see how that's not the same thing?


    Your silence is your admission that you now realize how you lied about
    what I said and hope I won't notice.

    As I told you, you don't get away with nonsense like that with me.

    You lied.
    Own it.



    So your complaint is a Grammar Nazi one in that I changed the "The" to
    "the" because it was preceded with a colon instead of a period. Right?


    No you idiot. Read it over and over again until you see your huge
    misquote. No grammar involved whatsoever.

    Your Grammar Nazi is trying to claim there's a huge difference between:

    "The markets do this consistently."
    and
    "the markets do this consistently."

    Oh I was wrong. You're sticking with this lie.

    Ok because I'm almost done with your lying garbage, let me requote
    myself:

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    You're claim of what I said:

    ""The markets do this consistently."

    Now look at it

    word
    for
    word.

    Tell me where your lie is.


    If your complaint is that the quote didn't include the prior sentence
    ("600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge"."), then you're trying to
    complain that the context of "this" wasn't already clear. So I'll
    revise accordingly to as follows:

    You not only lie but you don't actually check when someone tells you
    that you misquoted.


    "The markets do [have 600+ point plunges] consistently."

    I never said that.


    I've
    already provided you multiple examples of it happening in just the
    last year.

    Not in this thread you haven't: the only Points and Dates you've posted >>> was:

    Oh good grief..

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/01/stock-market-today-live-updates.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/23/investing/dow-falls-waiting-fed-rate-cut/index.html

    https://nypost.com/2024/11/21/business/dow-jumps-over-600-points-nasdaq-rebounds-in-volatile-wall-street-trading/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-futures-dip-from-record-high

    https://www.fxstreet.com/news/dow-jones-industrial-average-tumbles-380-points-on-thursday-as-rate-cut-hopes-deflate-202405231724


    I can keep going if you'd like but the markets are volatile and
    changes this large are rather common in modern times.

    Just not as common as you've tried to suggest, particularly with your 5 >degree temperature change analogy.

    My cites support my claim.
    The *do not* support YOUR lie about what I said.



    "Laughter. 800 points in a day in 2020 with the market at 21K is more
    significant than 600 in 2024 with the market at 44K."

    Free clue: last year was not 2020.

    You claimed it doesn't happen. Guess what, it does. See above.


    Granted, 2024 also had some days with a big High-Low swing in volatility >>> which exceeded the 715.48 swing of last Monday (3 Feb 25), but how many
    were there actually? Once per week? More?


    Look at you trying to make me quantity a word.

    Yup, because "consistently" is conveniently vague.

    Laughter.

    Read my original quote again.


    It happens. It's not unusual.

    Now quantify "not unusual".

    I don't need to. My citations meet the required criteria.


    How much more frequent is "not unusual" encountered versus "rare"?


    In the eye of the reader.
    Duh.


    Get over it.

    Dodge harder.


    Laughter



    Plus how many/few were predicated on drops instead of booms with the
    market closing much higher from its open?

    Do your damn homework before making your claims.


    Laughter about a guy who can't even quote me correctly.

    Grammar Nazi who's crying over one non-capitalized letter.

    I've not said word one about your grammar. You're either lying or
    being deliberately obtuse.




    You sound like my weather app that says "temperatures to plunge" every >>>>>> day when it changes by 5 degrees.

    Trying to weasel out of your claim, we see. No, the analogy to outdoor >>>>> temperature changes would need to exceed �3?, so a ~50 degree change. >>>>>

    I gave you an analogy -- and your answer makes zero sense.

    Your analogy attempt mislead on variance magnitude. Deliberately.

    Run, run, run.

    No, just pointing out your deliberate attempt to deceive & CYA, because
    a daily temperature high minus low typically occurs *daily* in the USA,
    but we don't have 600+ point swings daily in the Stock Market.

    Who said we did? Cite and quote where *I* said this.

    Come on.
    Admit it.
    You're lying.

    For a guy who claims he comes to argument prepared, your magazine has
    been quite empty.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sun Feb 9 18:15:06 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On 2/9/25 9:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:52:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/8/25 9:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:21:01 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:16:08 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:08 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:57:55 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:15 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:56:27 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:02 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 4:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 12:42 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    <snip>

    Question is which Media outlets will report on the USA's obligation.

    Exactly. American main media generally sane-washes Trump. And they are
    generally quite incomplete in their research. They won't report the gun export
    information.

    Precisely.

    They don't report that Musk's minions are accessing classified data without
    clearance. They don't report that Musk's takeover is fucking ILLEGAL.
    The mainsteam media is an ass.

    I'm worried for those who are going to get hurt bad by it. The manager
    that I replaced at work ~4 years ago told me literally this morning that
    instead of retiring this spring, he's accept "the offer" to get an extra
    few months of pay. I noted VERA/VSIP reg's & wished him best of luck.
    Amazed that he's gambling his ~$75K/yr pension for so relatively little.

    I have a friend in the VA chewing on that deal. He was planning on retiring
    about now, but....

    I hope he realizes it is a scam promoted by Muskrat, who pulled the same trick
    on the Twitter employees he laid off when he took over.

    Reportedly, there's another (yet again) revised version out today which
    has added a whole bunch of legal fine print. Basically, lots of bailout
    conditions where they won't have to pay the employee.


    "Reporedly"??

    Laughter.

    Go check the overnight updates yourself.

    It's your claim, you support it.
    I won't do your homework.


    Here's a start:

    <https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/union-lawsuit-seeks-to-block-deferred-resignation-program/>

    You're claiming something about a "revised version...which has added a >>>>> whole bunch of legal fine print"

    Nothing about it at your citation.

    Quit dodging. Can you support this claim or not?

    Here's one letter that's currently on the OPM website. Its a January
    version, not the February versions which went out this week:

    <https://www.opm.gov/fork>

    Where's the letter that contains the addition of "fine legal print" as
    you claimed.

    Its in my other 2/7/25 reply (14:30), which you avoided responding to.

    Now you're typing in circles in an attempt to avoid admitted your lie.
    You don't get to do that.

    Cite RIGHT here the citation and the added "fine legal print". (Ensure
    that you include a version of the document without the "fine legal
    print").


    Here's that section of the 2/7/25 14:50hrs post which you avoided
    replying to:

    [quote]
    Here's one letter that's currently on the OPM website. Its
    a January version, not the February versions which went out
    this week:

    <https://www.opm.gov/fork>

    And below is the link to one of this week's updates:

    <https://www.chcoc.gov/content/legality-deferred-resignation-program>


    The exercise is left up to the readers to compare the two to see if the
    2/4/25 letter (8 pages) has more 'legalese' than the 1/28/25 (3 pages) one.


    -hh
    [/quote]






    Hint: you don't get away with nonsense when communicating with me.

    But it won't stop you from trying I see.



    But in the meantime, you claimed that big drops like Monday's are very >>>>>> routine in the Stock Market, and asked to substantiate that claim.

    Actually you didn't ask but just in recent history there have been
    changes up and down and 600 or more points.

    https://www.cnbctv18.com/market/wall-street-slips-as-2024-nears-close-dow-jones-drops-over-600-points-19532067.htm

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-09-03/stock-market-today-wall-street-tumbles-on-worries-about-the-economy-and-dow-drops-more-than-600

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/dow-slides-500-points-sp-500-retreats-record-nasdaq-hits-new-heights-rcna153781

    Now you're going to ramble about something that makes no sense.

    So count up the occurrences and show us how routine these magnitudes of >>>> drops actually are.

    Have you done that yet?
    ecause if not, you're knowingly being a hypocrite. Again.

    Laughter. Still waiting for you to support your FIRST claim yet you >>>>> demand I answer your questions.

    Already done.

    Laughter....
    You're delusional.



    Silence.


    This morning's is saying that
    LOGIN.GOV has been compromised & to not log in.

    Citation?

    Nothing in the news. How odd.

    Do you not know how to look, or did you not bother to look any further >>>>>> than Fox News?


    <https://idtechwire.com/social-security-makes-login-gov-mandatory-for-online-users/>

    Nothing about a compromised log in as you claimed.

    Of course not, because that's a page from last summer that documents
    that Social Security recipients now have to have a LOGIN.GOV account.

    If I hadn't provided that, you would have tried to scream that SS wasn't >>>> at risk from this compromised report.


    Dude: Last time.

    Provide a citation to your claim that the log in was compromised as
    you claimed or admit you lied about it.

    Where did I claim specifically that the login was what was compromised?
    Quote it, Mr Grammar Nazi.


    OMG. You have major difficulties in sentence composition.

    That's not a quote, Mr. Grammar Nazi.


    As you demanded: "Cite RIGHT here the citation..."

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sun Feb 9 18:35:43 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On 2/9/25 9:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:48:04 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/8/25 9:37 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:04:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:50 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:22:45 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:52:48 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 13:20:09 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 15:07:44 -0000, [email protected] (Bradley K. Sherman) >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    --bks

    Wow the Dow dropped to 44.4.

    <eyeroll>

    Well, it was at a high of 45,015 so that is bit of a slide ... >>>>>>>>>>

    600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this >>>>>>>>> constantly.

    Care to document your claim that this magnitude of a swing is such a >>>>>>>> "oh, no big deal" commonplace occurrence?

    This is not what I said, was it?

    Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently."

    I did not say that. Be accurate when you quote me please.

    The full quote (which is still also included ~7 lines above):

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    Here's what you said oh clueless one:

    "Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently.""

    Do you see how that's not the same thing?


    Your silence is your admission that you now realize how you lied about
    what I said and hope I won't notice.

    Because it was directly addressed a few more lines down.


    As I told you, you don't get away with nonsense like that with me.

    You lied.
    Own it.

    Whereas you admit in a few lines that you knew that it was addressed,
    yet you deliberately left in this section before you hit <SEND>.
    That lie was your choice you made, which you now own.


    So your complaint is a Grammar Nazi one in that I changed the "The" to >>>> "the" because it was preceded with a colon instead of a period. Right? >>>>

    No you idiot. Read it over and over again until you see your huge
    misquote. No grammar involved whatsoever.

    Your Grammar Nazi is trying to claim there's a huge difference between:

    "The markets do this consistently."
    and
    "the markets do this consistently."

    Oh I was wrong. You're sticking with this lie.

    See?


    Ok because I'm almost done with your lying garbage, let me requote
    myself:

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    You're claim of what I said:

    ""The markets do this consistently."

    Now look at it

    word
    for
    word.

    Tell me where your lie is.

    There is no lie. You're apparently trying to imply that my quoting of
    you must have retained the ""600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge"."
    portion because otherwise your "this" in the second sentence might be misinterpreted ... by you? /s ... to be something else. See:

    If your complaint is that the quote didn't include the prior sentence
    ("600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge"."), then you're trying to
    complain that the context of "this" wasn't already clear. So I'll
    revise accordingly to as follows:

    You not only lie but you don't actually check when someone tells you
    that you misquoted.

    Then do yourself what you demand of others:

    "Cite RIGHT here..."

    And show us the exact difference that you claim exists.

    "The markets do [have 600+ point plunges] consistently."

    I never said that.

    Oh, so you don't actually know what the brackets mean in a quote?
    Go find your Harbrace Handbook and look it up.

    If you never owned one, you can try your local library, or Amazon:

    <https://www.amazon.com/Hodges-Harbrace-Handbook-2016-Update/dp/133727951X/>


    I've
    already provided you multiple examples of it happening in just the
    last year.

    Not in this thread you haven't: the only Points and Dates you've posted >>>> was:

    Oh good grief..

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/01/stock-market-today-live-updates.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/23/investing/dow-falls-waiting-fed-rate-cut/index.html

    https://nypost.com/2024/11/21/business/dow-jumps-over-600-points-nasdaq-rebounds-in-volatile-wall-street-trading/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-futures-dip-from-record-high

    https://www.fxstreet.com/news/dow-jones-industrial-average-tumbles-380-points-on-thursday-as-rate-cut-hopes-deflate-202405231724


    I can keep going if you'd like but the markets are volatile and
    changes this large are rather common in modern times.

    Just not as common as you've tried to suggest, particularly with your 5
    degree temperature change analogy.

    My cites support my claim.
    The *do not* support YOUR lie about what I said.

    Nope. Stop lying.

    That's why you deleted this part of my reply:

    [quote]
    July 26, 2024 - was up, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swing.
    AUG 3 2024 - was down, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swing.
    May 23, 2024 - was down, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swin
    Nov. 21, 2024 - was up, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swing.
    Sep. 3, 2024 - was down, but by less than the 3 Feb 25 intraday swing. 05/23/2024 - an attempt to double-count.

    As I said, "Do your damn homework..."
    [/quote]



    "Laughter. 800 points in a day in 2020 with the market at 21K is more
    significant than 600 in 2024 with the market at 44K."

    Free clue: last year was not 2020.

    You claimed it doesn't happen. Guess what, it does. See above.


    Granted, 2024 also had some days with a big High-Low swing in volatility >>>> which exceeded the 715.48 swing of last Monday (3 Feb 25), but how many >>>> were there actually? Once per week? More?


    Look at you trying to make me quantity a word.

    Yup, because "consistently" is conveniently vague.

    Laughter.

    Read my original quote again.


    "Cite RIGHT here..."

    And show the exact difference that you claim exists.


    It happens. It's not unusual.

    Now quantify "not unusual".

    I don't need to. My citations meet the required criteria.


    "Cite RIGHT here..."

    And show us the exact difference that you claim exists.



    How much more frequent is "not unusual" encountered versus "rare"?


    In the eye of the reader.
    Duh.

    Translation: you're dodging & trying to avoid being pinned down.


    Get over it.

    Dodge harder.


    Laughter

    Yet ou've still avoided saying with what frequency this "consistently"
    occurs, especially in the context of a market shock moving lower.


    Plus how many/few were predicated on drops instead of booms with the
    market closing much higher from its open?

    Do your damn homework before making your claims.


    Laughter about a guy who can't even quote me correctly.

    Grammar Nazi who's crying over one non-capitalized letter.

    I've not said word one about your grammar. You're either lying or
    being deliberately obtuse.


    "Cite RIGHT here..."

    And explain what profound difference allegedly exists between:

    "The markets do this consistently."
    and
    "the markets do this consistently."



    You sound like my weather app that says "temperatures to plunge" every >>>>>>> day when it changes by 5 degrees.

    Trying to weasel out of your claim, we see. No, the analogy to outdoor >>>>>> temperature changes would need to exceed ±3?, so a ~50 degree change. >>>>>>

    I gave you an analogy -- and your answer makes zero sense.

    Your analogy attempt mislead on variance magnitude. Deliberately.

    Run, run, run.

    No, just pointing out your deliberate attempt to deceive & CYA, because
    a daily temperature high minus low typically occurs *daily* in the USA,
    but we don't have 600+ point swings daily in the Stock Market.

    Who said we did? Cite and quote where *I* said this.

    Since we know that daily temperatures vary by 5+ degrees on a daily
    basis, what other interpretation of "consistently" is possible from your statement of (yes, full quote):

    "You sound like my weather app that says "temperatures to plunge" every
    day when it changes by 5 degrees."


    Come on.
    Admit it.
    You're lying.

    For a guy who claims he comes to argument prepared, your magazine has
    been quite empty.

    I already know how many days in 2024 meet the criteria that you
    specified. And I'll even give you a free clue:

    Of the days that you claimed, none of which met said criteria, one of
    them is within two trading days which did meet the criteria.

    Happy hunting for your own needed substantiation!

    -hh

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Feb 10 07:13:18 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 18:35:43 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/9/25 9:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:48:04 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/8/25 9:37 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:04:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:50 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:22:45 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:52:48 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 13:20:09 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 15:07:44 -0000, [email protected] (Bradley K. Sherman) >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    --bks

    Wow the Dow dropped to 44.4.

    <eyeroll>

    Well, it was at a high of 45,015 so that is bit of a slide ... >>>>>>>>>>>

    600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this >>>>>>>>>> constantly.

    Care to document your claim that this magnitude of a swing is such a >>>>>>>>> "oh, no big deal" commonplace occurrence?

    This is not what I said, was it?

    Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently."

    I did not say that. Be accurate when you quote me please.

    The full quote (which is still also included ~7 lines above):

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    Here's what you said oh clueless one:

    "Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently.""

    Do you see how that's not the same thing?


    Your silence is your admission that you now realize how you lied about
    what I said and hope I won't notice.

    Because it was directly addressed a few more lines down.

    You didn't address jack.
    That's why I called you out on it TWICE.



    As I told you, you don't get away with nonsense like that with me.

    You lied.
    Own it.

    Whereas you admit in a few lines that you knew that it was addressed,
    yet you deliberately left in this section before you hit <SEND>.
    That lie was your choice you made, which you now own.


    Laugher.
    You're delusional.


    So your complaint is a Grammar Nazi one in that I changed the "The" to >>>>> "the" because it was preceded with a colon instead of a period. Right? >>>>>

    No you idiot. Read it over and over again until you see your huge
    misquote. No grammar involved whatsoever.

    Your Grammar Nazi is trying to claim there's a huge difference between:

    "The markets do this consistently."
    and
    "the markets do this consistently."

    Oh I was wrong. You're sticking with this lie.

    See?


    You lied about what I said in the above TWICE.


    Ok because I'm almost done with your lying garbage, let me requote
    myself:

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    You're claim of what I said:

    ""The markets do this consistently."

    Now look at it

    word
    for
    word.

    Tell me where your lie is.

    There is no lie. You're apparently trying to imply that my quoting of
    you must have retained the ""600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge"." >portion because otherwise your "this" in the second sentence might be >misinterpreted ... by you? /s ... to be something else. See:


    You're a fool.

    I'm spelling it out for you now.

    You claim I said:

    ""The markets do this consistently."

    I said:

    "The markets do this constantly".

    Do you see the difference?
    Two
    Completely
    different
    words
    with
    different
    meanings.


    If your complaint is that the quote didn't include the prior sentence
    ("600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge"."), then you're trying to
    complain that the context of "this" wasn't already clear. So I'll
    revise accordingly to as follows:

    You not only lie but you don't actually check when someone tells you
    that you misquoted.

    Then do yourself what you demand of others:

    "Cite RIGHT here..."

    And show us the exact difference that you claim exists.

    I just did fool.
    I gave you evey chance in the book to correct yourself but in your
    arrogance (or deliberately lying) you would not find your lie.


    "The markets do [have 600+ point plunges] consistently."

    I never said that.

    Oh, so you don't actually know what the brackets mean in a quote?
    Go find your Harbrace Handbook and look it up.

    If you never owned one, you can try your local library, or Amazon:

    <https://www.amazon.com/Hodges-Harbrace-Handbook-2016-Update/dp/133727951X/>

    FOOL. You can't read.



    I've
    already provided you multiple examples of it happening in just the >>>>>> last year.

    Not in this thread you haven't: the only Points and Dates you've posted >>>>> was:

    Oh good grief..

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/01/stock-market-today-live-updates.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/23/investing/dow-falls-waiting-fed-rate-cut/index.html

    https://nypost.com/2024/11/21/business/dow-jumps-over-600-points-nasdaq-rebounds-in-volatile-wall-street-trading/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-futures-dip-from-record-high

    https://www.fxstreet.com/news/dow-jones-industrial-average-tumbles-380-points-on-thursday-as-rate-cut-hopes-deflate-202405231724


    I can keep going if you'd like but the markets are volatile and
    changes this large are rather common in modern times.

    Just not as common as you've tried to suggest, particularly with your 5
    degree temperature change analogy.

    My cites support my claim.
    The *do not* support YOUR lie about what I said.

    Nope. Stop lying.

    Lying from a liar who claims others lie?



    You've managed to run in circles for days because you can't tell the
    difference between two words.

    Yeah I'm done with you.

    <plonk>

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Feb 10 08:32:11 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On 2/9/25 6:15 PM, -hh wrote:
    On 2/9/25 9:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:52:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/8/25 9:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:21:01 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:41 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:16:08 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:08 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:57:55 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:15 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:56:27 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:02 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 4:49 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 2/3/25 12:42 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Bradley K. Sherman wrote this post while blinking in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Morse code:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    <snip>

    Question is which Media outlets will report on the USA's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obligation.

    Exactly. American main media generally sane-washes Trump. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And they are
    generally quite incomplete in their research. They won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> report the gun export
    information.

    Precisely.

    They don't report that Musk's minions are accessing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> classified data without
    clearance. They don't report that Musk's takeover is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ILLEGAL.
    The mainsteam media is an ass.

    I'm worried for those who are going to get hurt bad by it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The manager
    that I replaced at work ~4 years ago told me literally this >>>>>>>>>>>>> morning that
    instead of retiring this spring, he's accept "the offer" to >>>>>>>>>>>>> get an extra
    few months of pay.  I noted VERA/VSIP reg's & wished him >>>>>>>>>>>>> best of luck.
    Amazed that he's gambling his ~$75K/yr pension for so >>>>>>>>>>>>> relatively little.

    I have a friend in the VA chewing on that deal. He was >>>>>>>>>>>> planning on retiring
    about now, but....

    I hope he realizes it is a scam promoted by Muskrat, who >>>>>>>>>>>> pulled the same trick
    on the Twitter employees he laid off when he took over. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Reportedly, there's another (yet again) revised version out >>>>>>>>>>> today which
    has added a whole bunch of legal fine print.  Basically, lots >>>>>>>>>>> of bailout
    conditions where they won't have to pay the employee.


    "Reporedly"??

    Laughter.

    Go check the overnight updates yourself.

    It's your claim, you support it.
    I won't do your homework.


    Here's a start:

    <https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/union-lawsuit- >>>>>>> seeks-to-block-deferred-resignation-program/>

    You're claiming something about a "revised version...which has
    added a
    whole bunch of legal fine print"

    Nothing about it at your citation.

    Quit dodging.  Can you support this claim or not?

    Here's one letter that's currently on the OPM website.  Its a January >>>>> version, not the February versions which went out this week:

    <https://www.opm.gov/fork>

    Where's the letter that contains the addition of "fine legal print" as >>>> you claimed.

    Its in my other 2/7/25 reply (14:30), which you avoided responding to.

    Now you're typing in circles in an attempt to avoid admitted your lie.
    You don't get to do that.

    Cite RIGHT here the citation and the added "fine legal print". (Ensure
    that you include a version of the document without the "fine legal
    print").


    Here's that section of the 2/7/25 14:50hrs post which you avoided
    replying to:

    [quote]
    Here's one letter that's currently on the OPM website.  Its
    a January version, not the February versions which went out
    this week:

    <https://www.opm.gov/fork>

    And below is the link to one of this week's updates:

    <https://www.chcoc.gov/content/legality-deferred-resignation-program>


    The exercise is left up to the readers to compare the two to see if the 2/4/25 letter (8 pages) has more 'legalese' than the 1/28/25 (3 pages) one.


    -hh
    [/quote]






    Hint:  you don't get away with nonsense when communicating with me.

    But it won't stop you from trying I see.



    But in the meantime, you claimed that big drops like Monday's are >>>>>>> very
    routine in the Stock Market, and asked to substantiate that claim. >>>>>>
    Actually you didn't ask but just in recent history there have been >>>>>> changes up and down and 600 or more points.

    https://www.cnbctv18.com/market/wall-street-slips-as-2024-nears-
    close-dow-jones-drops-over-600-points-19532067.htm

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-
    inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-09-03/stock-market-
    today-wall-street-tumbles-on-worries-about-the-economy-and-dow-
    drops-more-than-600

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/dow-slides-500-points-
    sp-500-retreats-record-nasdaq-hits-new-heights-rcna153781

    Now you're going to ramble about something that makes no sense.

    So count up the occurrences and show us how routine these
    magnitudes of
    drops actually are.

    Have you done that yet?
    ecause if not, you're knowingly being a hypocrite.  Again.

    Laughter.  Still waiting for you to support your FIRST claim yet you >>>>>> demand I answer your questions.

    Already done.

    Laughter....
    You're delusional.



    Silence.


    This morning's is saying that
    LOGIN.GOV has been compromised & to not log in.

    Citation?

    Nothing in the news.  How odd.

    Do you not know how to look, or did you not bother to look any
    further
    than Fox News?


    <https://idtechwire.com/social-security-makes-login-gov-
    mandatory-for-online-users/>

    Nothing about a compromised log in as you claimed.

    Of course not, because that's a page from last summer that documents >>>>> that Social Security recipients now have to have a LOGIN.GOV account. >>>>>
    If I hadn't provided that, you would have tried to scream that SS
    wasn't
    at risk from this compromised report.


    Dude:  Last time.

    Provide a citation to your claim that the log in was compromised as
    you claimed or admit you lied about it.

    Where did I claim specifically that the login was what was compromised?
    Quote it, Mr Grammar Nazi.


    OMG.  You have major difficulties in sentence composition.

    That's not a quote, Mr. Grammar Nazi.


    As you demanded:  "Cite RIGHT here the citation..."

    -hh


    "And lying NoBody has FLED..." /s


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to NoBody on Mon Feb 10 08:32:06 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics

    On 2/10/25 7:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 18:35:43 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/9/25 9:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 13:48:04 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/8/25 9:37 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 08:04:37 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/7/25 6:50 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:22:45 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/6/25 7:19 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 09:52:48 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/5/25 7:10 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 13:20:09 -0500, -hh
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/4/25 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
    On 3 Feb 2025 15:07:44 -0000, [email protected] (Bradley K. Sherman) >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    Helluva job, Mr. President!

    --bks

    Wow the Dow dropped to 44.4.

    <eyeroll>

    Well, it was at a high of 45,015 so that is bit of a slide ... >>>>>>>>>>>>

    600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this >>>>>>>>>>> constantly.

    Care to document your claim that this magnitude of a swing is such a >>>>>>>>>> "oh, no big deal" commonplace occurrence?

    This is not what I said, was it?

    Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently."

    I did not say that. Be accurate when you quote me please.

    The full quote (which is still also included ~7 lines above):

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    Here's what you said oh clueless one:

    "Yes, it was: "the markets do this consistently.""

    Do you see how that's not the same thing?


    Your silence is your admission that you now realize how you lied about
    what I said and hope I won't notice.

    Because it was directly addressed a few more lines down.

    You didn't address jack.
    That's why I called you out on it TWICE.

    Yet didn't promptly correct the alleged misquote. Just bitched and
    whined like a Karen snorting Ivermectin.

    So your complaint is a Grammar Nazi one in that I changed the "The" to >>>>>> "the" because it was preceded with a colon instead of a period. Right? >>>>>>

    No you idiot. Read it over and over again until you see your huge
    misquote. No grammar involved whatsoever.

    Your Grammar Nazi is trying to claim there's a huge difference between: >>>>
    "The markets do this consistently."
    and
    "the markets do this consistently."

    Oh I was wrong. You're sticking with this lie.

    See?


    You lied about what I said in the above TWICE.

    Yet you've still not yet cite the exact quote...oh, wait: you finally
    are doing that a few more lines below.

    Ok because I'm almost done with your lying garbage, let me requote
    myself:

    "600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge". The markets do this
    constantly."

    You're claim of what I said:

    ""The markets do this consistently."

    Now look at it

    word
    for
    word.

    Tell me where your lie is.

    There is no lie. You're apparently trying to imply that my quoting of
    you must have retained the ""600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge"."
    portion because otherwise your "this" in the second sentence might be
    misinterpreted ... by you? /s ... to be something else. See:


    You're a fool.

    I'm spelling it out for you now.

    You claim I said:

    ""The markets do this consistently."

    I said:

    "The markets do this constantly".

    Do you see the difference?



    Ah, *FINALLY* you _barely_ provide the contextual quote, even though you
    should have narrowed it down to the word.

    My bad, but you should have not protested about this error because
    you've literally just dug yourself a deeper hold because *constant*
    occurs more frequently than *consistent" does.


    Two
    Completely
    different
    words
    with
    different
    meanings.

    False, because they're synonyms:

    <https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/constant>

    <https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english-thesaurus/consistent>

    <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/thesaurus/consistent>

    <https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/consistent>


    If your complaint is that the quote didn't include the prior sentence
    ("600 points to 44.4 is hardly a "plunge"."), then you're trying to
    complain that the context of "this" wasn't already clear. So I'll
    revise accordingly to as follows:

    You not only lie but you don't actually check when someone tells you
    that you misquoted.

    Then do yourself what you demand of others:

    "Cite RIGHT here..."

    And show us the exact difference that you claim exists.

    I just did fool.
    I gave you evey chance in the book to correct yourself but in your
    arrogance (or deliberately lying) you would not find your lie.

    No, you're trying to use pedantry to avoid addressing the actual meaning
    of what you wrote.

    So since you're being pedantic and your claim is that the Market
    *constantly* has 600+ point swings, what does that mean in terms of how
    often per week it occurs?

    FYI your "5 degrees" temperature swing analogy implies daily.

    "The markets do [have 600+ point plunges] consistently."

    I never said that.

    Oh, so you don't actually know what the brackets mean in a quote?
    Go find your Harbrace Handbook and look it up.

    If you never owned one, you can try your local library, or Amazon:

    <https://www.amazon.com/Hodges-Harbrace-Handbook-2016-Update/dp/133727951X/>

    FOOL. You can't read.



    I've
    already provided you multiple examples of it happening in just the >>>>>>> last year.

    Not in this thread you haven't: the only Points and Dates you've posted >>>>>> was:

    Oh good grief..

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/investing/stocks-rate-cuts-inflation-fed/index.html

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/01/stock-market-today-live-updates.html >>>>>
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/23/investing/dow-falls-waiting-fed-rate-cut/index.html

    https://nypost.com/2024/11/21/business/dow-jumps-over-600-points-nasdaq-rebounds-in-volatile-wall-street-trading/

    https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-futures-dip-from-record-high

    https://www.fxstreet.com/news/dow-jones-industrial-average-tumbles-380-points-on-thursday-as-rate-cut-hopes-deflate-202405231724


    I can keep going if you'd like but the markets are volatile and
    changes this large are rather common in modern times.

    Just not as common as you've tried to suggest, particularly with your 5 >>>> degree temperature change analogy.

    My cites support my claim.
    The *do not* support YOUR lie about what I said.

    Nope. Stop lying.

    Lying from a liar who claims others lie?



    You've managed to run in circles for days because you can't tell the difference between two words.

    Yeah I'm done with you.

    <plonk>

    And "NoBody" has fled.



    -hh

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