I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
On 11/17/24 9:25 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 08:13:43 -0800, erik simpsonRon's been standing clear of electoral politics. In fact, if he's the
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they areYou'd prefer it to be essentially a Ron O blog?
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it. >>
That's what it's pretty well been this last while :(
most prolific poster, good for him.
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 08:13:43 -0800, erik simpson
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
You'd prefer it to be essentially a Ron O blog?
That's what it's pretty well been this last while :(
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:25:34 +0000
Martin Harran <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 08:13:43 -0800, erik simpsonJTEM's been abusive (no change there, then)
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they areYou'd prefer it to be essentially a Ron O blog?
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it. >>
That's what it's pretty well been this last while :(
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty >messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they areUnsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it. >>
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
for the best.
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty >messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do
about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
for the best.
A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
for the best.
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do
about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
for the best.
I don't see a moratorium as workable. There are somewhat topical political developments such as RFK Jr touted as health secretary and would influence policy over response to evolving infectious agents.
Plus people (eg- Martin Harran and JJ Lodder) are going to blow steam as
they see us nose dive into the Trumpian sewer from afar as NATO fragments while Putin ascends upon their doorsteps.
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appearedI don’t see a moratorium as workable. There are somewhat topical political developments such as RFK Jr touted as health secretary and would influence policy over response to evolving infectious agents.
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
for the best.
Plus people (eg- Martin Harran and JJ Lodder) are going to blow steam as
they see us nose dive into the Trumpian sewer from afar as NATO fragments while Putin ascends upon their doorsteps.
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do
about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
for the best.
Says you. Your good old USA, with its creationism/ID
is -the- source for mixing politics into science,
On 18-Nov-24 12:11, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty >>> messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of >>>>> affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do
about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
for the best.
Says you. Your good old USA, with its creationism/ID
is -the- source for mixing politics into science,
Yeah, the issues aren't really separable. Modern creationism didn't
evolve in a vacuum; it has always been tied to right-wing politics. And
the folks who will be taking charge of the US in January are
science-denying fruitcakes of every possible stripe.
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do
about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
for the best.
Says you. Your good old USA, with its creationism/ID
is -the- source for mixing politics into science,
On 2024-11-18 17:11:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty >>> messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of >>>>> affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do
about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
for the best.
Says you. Your good old USA, with its creationism/ID
is -the- source for mixing politics into science,
Not to mention anti-vax. Even in Louis Pasteur's country there are more anti-vaxers ynmight think.
Athel Cornish-Bowden <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-11-18 17:11:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty >>>>> messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope >>>>> for the best.
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are >>>>>>> off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of >>>>>>> affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do >>>>>>> about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
Says you. Your good old USA, with its creationism/ID
is -the- source for mixing politics into science,
Not to mention anti-vax. Even in Louis Pasteur's country there are more
anti-vaxers ynmight think.
You cannot surprise me with this.
With all their pretence of rationality France is one of the most
irrational countries there is, precisely because they think of
themselves as rational.
In practice this means that many of them will fall for any
plausible-sounding reasoned argument.
(there are dangers to thinking that you can think for yourself)
So they do not just have anti-vax, but also homeopathy, gem healing, astrology, buddhist crap, and a whole slew of conspiracy theories.
Also, like Americans, they are anarchists at heart.
Authority, whatever it is, must be distrusted,
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:39:24 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-11-18 17:24:40 +0000, *Hemidactylus* said:
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appearedI don’t see a moratorium as workable. There are somewhat topical political
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty >>>>> messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope >>>>> for the best.
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are >>>>>>> off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of >>>>>>> affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
developments such as RFK Jr touted as health secretary and would influence >>> policy over response to evolving infectious agents.
Plus people (eg- Martin Harran and JJ Lodder) are going to blow steam as >>> they see us nose dive into the Trumpian sewer from afar as NATO fragments >>> while Putin ascends upon their doorsteps.
There is no need for NATO to fragment. Other than the USA, and perhaps
Turkey, it's holding together pretty well.
<cough> Hungary <cough>
jillery <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:39:24 +0100, Athel Cornish-BowdenGood point.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-11-18 17:24:40 +0000, *Hemidactylus* said:
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appearedI don’t see a moratorium as workable. There are somewhat topical political
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty >>>>>> messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope >>>>>> for the best.
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are >>>>>>>> off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of >>>>>>>> affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
developments such as RFK Jr touted as health secretary and would influence >>>> policy over response to evolving infectious agents.
Plus people (eg- Martin Harran and JJ Lodder) are going to blow steam as >>>> they see us nose dive into the Trumpian sewer from afar as NATO fragments >>>> while Putin ascends upon their doorsteps.
There is no need for NATO to fragment. Other than the USA, and perhaps
Turkey, it's holding together pretty well.
<cough> Hungary <cough>
On 2024-11-18 17:11:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 07:48:38 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 11/18/24 1:21 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:A-a-a-a-nd so much for the moratorium.
erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:As you see, we are pretty messed up, but then the whole world is pretty >>> messed up. There are encouraging signs here and there, so let's hope
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of >>>>> affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do
about it.
Unsatisfactory politics may have scientific consequences,
as seen before WWII.
It looks like the USA is getting ready to give back
some of 'Hitler's present'.
European universities will no doubt be willing to accomodate
outstanding scientific refugies.
The fact that some of their lecturing is in English these days
will make it easier,
Jan
for the best.
Says you. Your good old USA, with its creationism/ID
is -the- source for mixing politics into science,
Not to mention anti-vax. Even in Louis Pasteur's country there are more anti-vaxers ynmight think.
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 10:05:40 -0800, erik simpson
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 11/17/24 9:25 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 08:13:43 -0800, erik simpsonRon's been standing clear of electoral politics. In fact, if he's the
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are
off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of
affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
You'd prefer it to be essentially a Ron O blog?
That's what it's pretty well been this last while :(
most prolific poster, good for him.
Sorry, I meant to reply to this but it slipped by me.
Just to be clear, I have no problem at all with Ron's posting on the
Dairy Flu - on the contrary, that is the sort of stuff that he excels
at and I find his contributions highly valuable even if focused mostly
on the USA as there will be an inevitable knock-on this side of the
Atlantic.
My point was that recently, he has really been the only poster here … unless you want to consider JTEM as a useful poster!
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 10:34:40 +0000, Martin Harran
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 02:23:51 +0000, *Hemidactylus* ><[email protected]d> wrote:
Martin Harran <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 10:05:40 -0800, erik simpsonRon scares the shit out of me on a regular basis and for that I thank him. >>
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 11/17/24 9:25 AM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 08:13:43 -0800, erik simpsonRon's been standing clear of electoral politics. In fact, if he's the >>>> most prolific poster, good for him.
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'd like to propose a moratorium on political posts, as they are >>>>>> off-topic. I see general agreement on the unsatisfactory state of >>>>>> affairs here in the US, but for now there's little anybody can do about it.
You'd prefer it to be essentially a Ron O blog?
That's what it's pretty well been this last while :(
Sorry, I meant to reply to this but it slipped by me.
Just to be clear, I have no problem at all with Ron's posting on the
Dairy Flu - on the contrary, that is the sort of stuff that he excels
at and I find his contributions highly valuable even if focused mostly >>> on the USA as there will be an inevitable knock-on this side of the
Atlantic.
My point was that recently, he has really been the only poster here … >>> unless you want to consider JTEM as a useful poster!
I don’t know if we’ve been able to rebound from the welcome demise of GG.
I do miss more frequent input from Lawyer Daggett and Burkhard. I think >>they had both used novaBBS as an alternative means.
Ron Dean has returned. That’s gotta be better than JTEM, right?
So has MarkE. Coincidence?
One way or another, hopefully they will generate a bit more activity
than has been here since the end of GG.
You conflate smoke with substance. Both MarkE and RDean are likely to provide the latest rounds of deja vu all over again, where they repost
the same old arguments without acknowledging the answers they were
given before. I suppose that's better than mindless trolls from J*** enablers, but not by much.
On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 12:32:09 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 12:02:23 -0500
jillery <[email protected]> wrote:
Also Martin Harran is reviving some historical debate about how Galileo was treated.
In regard to ID/Creationism/Religion v Science generally, I'd happily
bet that nothing new has been added in the last 5-10 years, it is
*all* old stuff revisited.
Anyway, as previously pointed out to you, reading these threads is not compulsory and, if you don't think they are worthwhile fare for TO,
you could always post something else yourself.
given before. I suppose that's better than mindless trolls from J***
enablers, but not by much.
Mindlessness is in the eye of the beholder.
JTEM's "debating style" is quite off-putting. Looks like he has troubles and projects them on anyone responding.
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