https://reasons.org/

Reason to believe have been distancing themselves from the ID scam for
years. Before the Top Six were put out by the ID perps at the Discovery Institute, Reason to Believe still claimed to be IDiots, but they just
claimed that they were not interested in teaching the junk, they were
just using it to build their Biblical creation model. Now there is
nothing about intelligent design on their home page, and it has been
completely expunged from their explanation of who they are and their
history that they have up on their "ABOUT" pull down tab on their home page.

They have also dropped out their claims about working on their Biblical
model. The articles still exists, you just have to dig for them. They
no longer talk about them on their home page.

https://reasons.org/single/creation-model-approach

Their model was never really consistent with the science and they had to
fudge about when the earth and moon were created because it definitely
wasn't on any 4th day or age of an old earth. They still claim that
land plants were created before sea creatures even though you can find
them using the Cambrian explosion IDiotic gap denial argument, and the
same claim that Meyer's has been hawking for decades, that there isn't
enough time for all the evolution to have occurred during a 25 million
year period over half a billion years ago. Angiosperm crop plants
described in the Bible don't show up on earth until after Dinos had
evolved within the last 200 million years.

They did update a summary of their model in 2022, but for some reason
they have deleted all references to it from their home page and what
they are about.

https://reasons.org/explore/publications/articles/summary-of-reasons-to-believes-testable-creation-model-1

The Top Six are inconsistent with this model in terms of the order in
which the ID perps claim they must have occurred in this universe.

Reason to Believe may have dropped IDiocy for the same reason that most
if the IDiots on TO stopped being IDiots. There isn't any ID science
that most creationists ever wanted the ID perps to accomplish. It would
have just been more science to deny. Science is just the study of
nature and nature doesn't seem to be the creation described in the Bible.

None of the IDiots left posting to TO could deal with the Top Six best
god of the gaps denial that the ID perps claimed to have. Even Nyikos destroyed his space alien IDiotic claims once he had to deal with them
as the ID perps had presented them. It turned out that ID was just the
same excuse for Nyikos as it was for all the other IDiotic Biblical creationists posting to TO. ID was just a lame and dishonest means to
support their religious beliefs.

It looks like the Reason to Believe IDiots have come to the same
conclusion as the TO IDiots. Pretending that creation science can be a
means of supporting their religious beliefs isn't anything worth doing
when nature doesn't support Biblical creationism. To deal honestly with
the science you have to give up on the Biblical creation model.

The Israelites adopted a cosmology that was circulating among their
neighbors who had been civilized for a longer period of time. It is a
flat earth geocentric view, and there is supposed to be a firmament,
dome like structure, over the earth that the gods can open up and let
the rain fall through. They had their young earth chronology so that
their ancestors could be the first humans. This view has been known to
be wrong since before Christ was born. The Greeks were already
calculating the circumference of the earth before 200 BC. Reality has
just gotten worse for the Biblical cosmology. The last vestiges of the firmament died with Kepler's crystal spheres, and geocentrism was pretty
much dead after Newton and he was born the year Galileo died under house arrest. It turns out that the Biblical order of creation in Genesis is
just wrong. The Reason to believe IDiots have been trying to pretend
otherwise for decades. Once they admitted that the sun and moon existed
before plants were created it should have been game over for using
science to support Biblical creationism, but they just made up a stupid
story and forged ahead.

Now their model isn't that important anymore, nor is their claims to use intelligent design science to support the Bible. Denial seems to be all
they have left, and it was all they ever got out of IDiocy.

Ron Okimoto

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