• Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

    From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to chris thompson on Wed Feb 14 03:35:45 2024
    chris thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
    distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
    participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
    time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
    had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
    still here now. Live long and prosper.

    I hadn’t seen you post in a while. Had to jog my memory, but recalled you
    had been affected by Superstorm Sandy a decade ago.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to chris thompson on Wed Feb 14 13:09:04 2024
    chris thompson <[email protected]> wrote:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
    distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
    participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
    time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
    had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
    still here now.

    You were first seen here 13.3 years ago, last seen here 27 Nov 2020.
    [an archive does have its uses]

    Yes, Life goes too fast.

    Live long and prosper.

    Thanks, and do likewise for yourself,

    Jan

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 14 11:11:57 2024
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal
    September or some such- time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
    Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
    plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
    decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
    Geeks or similar?

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Wed Feb 14 19:14:12 2024
    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
    distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
    participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
    time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
    had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
    still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
    Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
    plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
    decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
    Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 14 14:35:23 2024
    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d>:

    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
    <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
    distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
    participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such- >>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
    had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
    still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
    Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
    plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
    decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
    Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.

    Could be. The only times I ever used GurgleGropes was when
    Beagle was apparently down, and I wanted a "second opinion"
    to make sure the problem wasn't at my end (or with ES).
    Although in each case I was able to get the info I wanted
    (the date/time of the last post in t.o to show up) I was
    *not* impressed.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to jillery on Thu Feb 15 13:55:11 2024
    jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
    <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
    distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
    participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such- >>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally >>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are >>> still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
    Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
    plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
    decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
    Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.


    There's no "if" about it:
    *****************************
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does. ******************************

    In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
    only the fnordic people excepted.
    It was an experiment that didn't last,

    Jan

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Fri Feb 16 15:56:22 2024
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, [email protected] (J. J.
    Lodder) wrote:

    jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
    <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad >>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
    participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am >>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
    time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally >>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are >>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
    Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
    plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
    decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
    Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.


    There's no "if" about it:
    *****************************
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
    ******************************

    In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
    only the fnordic people excepted.
    It was an experiment that didn't last,

    Jan


    Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
    topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
    and fixed their search engine.

    Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
    have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
    The problem was that they fractured into
    dozens of branches in Google Groups,
    so ignoring that was more like hard work.

    Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to erik simpson on Sun Feb 18 13:47:00 2024
    erik simpson <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, [email protected] (J. J. >>>>> Lodder) wrote:

    jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
    <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad >>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet >>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time >>>>>>>>>> ago. I am still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal >>>>>>>>>> September or some such- time will tell. However should I not >>>>>>>>>> reappear, rest assured I generally had a great time here on >>>>>>>>>> t.o. and it was because of many of you who are still here now. >>>>>>>>>> Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as >>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are >>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
    decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major >>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.


    There's no "if" about it:
    *****************************
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]" >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when i
    t does.
    ******************************

    In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
    only the fnordic people excepted.
    It was an experiment that didn't last,

    Jan


    Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted >>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke >>>>> and fixed their search engine.

    Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
    have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
    The problem was that they fractured into
    dozens of branches in Google Groups,
    so ignoring that was more like hard work.

    Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.

    DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.


    DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
    Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts. Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
    good excuse.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
    assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.

    'Nominal', only for some very small values of 'absolute',

    Jan

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 18 14:13:56 2024
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <[email protected]>:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, [email protected] (J. J. >>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:

    jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
    <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad >>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
    time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
    had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
    still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as >>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are >>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of >>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major >>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.


    There's no "if" about it:
    *****************************
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
    ******************************

    In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
    only the fnordic people excepted.
    It was an experiment that didn't last,

    Jan


    Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted >>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke >>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.

    Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
    have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
    The problem was that they fractured into
    dozens of branches in Google Groups,
    so ignoring that was more like hard work.

    Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.

    DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.


    DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
    Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
    Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
    good excuse.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
    assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.


    DIG?

    David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
    the Moderator).

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From DB Cates@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Sun Feb 18 16:16:28 2024
    On 2024-02-18 3:13 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <[email protected]>:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, [email protected] (J. J. >>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:

    jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following >>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
    <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad >>>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
    time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
    had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
    still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as >>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are >>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of >>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major >>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.


    There's no "if" about it:
    *****************************
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
    ******************************

    In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
    only the fnordic people excepted.
    It was an experiment that didn't last,

    Jan


    Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted >>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke >>>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.

    Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
    have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
    The problem was that they fractured into
    dozens of branches in Google Groups,
    so ignoring that was more like hard work.

    Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.

    DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.


    DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
    Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts. >>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
    good excuse.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
    assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.


    DIG?

    David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
    the Moderator).

    Creator (Peace Be Upon Him)
    --
    --
    Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 18 21:17:09 2024
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:16:28 -0600, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by DB Cates <[email protected]>:

    On 2024-02-18 3:13 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <[email protected]>:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, [email protected] (J. J. >>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:

    jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following >>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
    <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
    distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
    time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
    had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
    still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as >>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are >>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of >>>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major >>>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.


    There's no "if" about it:
    *****************************
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
    ******************************

    In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
    only the fnordic people excepted.
    It was an experiment that didn't last,

    Jan


    Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted >>>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
    and fixed their search engine.

    Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
    have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
    The problem was that they fractured into
    dozens of branches in Google Groups,
    so ignoring that was more like hard work.

    Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.

    DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.


    DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
    Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts. >>>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no >>>>> good excuse.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
    assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.


    DIG?

    David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
    the Moderator).

    Creator (Peace Be Upon Him)

    High Priest of the Moderation Flame of the Prophet Beagle.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 18 22:56:10 2024
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:23:18 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <[email protected]>:

    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <[email protected]>:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson >>><[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, [email protected] (J. J. >>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:

    jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following >>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
    <[email protected]>:

    Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
    distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
    still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
    time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
    had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
    still here now. Live long and prosper.

    FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as >>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are >>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of >>>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major >>>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?

    Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.


    There's no "if" about it:
    *****************************
    On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
    ******************************

    In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
    only the fnordic people excepted.
    It was an experiment that didn't last,

    Jan


    Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted >>>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
    and fixed their search engine.

    Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
    have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
    The problem was that they fractured into
    dozens of branches in Google Groups,
    so ignoring that was more like hard work.

    Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.

    DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.


    DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
    Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts. >>>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no >>>>> good excuse.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

    I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I >>>>assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.


    DIG?

    David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
    the Moderator).


    I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how
    Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.

    Since your question was ambiguous I understood no such
    thing; you could have suffered a memory lapse. Now that
    you've clarified I'll ignore further comments.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Wed Feb 28 13:58:08 2024
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 23/02/2024 08:58, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:20:06 +0000, Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 22/02/2024 14:01, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 23:13:24 +0000, Robert Carnegie
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19/02/2024 04:23, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <[email protected]>:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I >>>>>>>> assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.


    DIG?

    David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
    the Moderator).


    I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how >>>>> Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.

    DIG rarely uses the power to exclude people
    from talk.origins. People are here because
    DIG allows them to be.


    Is that supposed to answer my question?

    Yes. The preceding remarks included the need
    to ban a few people. Over and over again,
    when necessary. And of such is the kingdom
    of DIG.


    Really? My understanding is which newsreader DIG uses isn't relevant
    to "the need to ban a few people". Apparently your mileage varies.

    This is going to sound more and more theological
    but it isn't very clear that DIG reads in this
    group at all. That's the "if he's doing so now"
    part. And it's plausible that he has been using
    Google Groups as a convenient reading and
    statistics service. We don't know.

    Huh? DIG has direct access to the spool.
    Why would he even think of reading back things that have gone out?

    Jan

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Wed Mar 13 11:52:52 2024
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 28/02/2024 12:58, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 23/02/2024 08:58, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:20:06 +0000, Robert Carnegie
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 22/02/2024 14:01, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 23:13:24 +0000, Robert Carnegie
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19/02/2024 04:23, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <[email protected]>:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I >>>>>>>>>> assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses. >>>>>>>>>

    DIG?

    David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
    the Moderator).


    I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how >>>>>>> Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.

    DIG rarely uses the power to exclude people
    from talk.origins. People are here because
    DIG allows them to be.


    Is that supposed to answer my question?

    Yes. The preceding remarks included the need
    to ban a few people. Over and over again,
    when necessary. And of such is the kingdom
    of DIG.


    Really? My understanding is which newsreader DIG uses isn't relevant
    to "the need to ban a few people". Apparently your mileage varies.

    This is going to sound more and more theological
    but it isn't very clear that DIG reads in this
    group at all. That's the "if he's doing so now"
    part. And it's plausible that he has been using
    Google Groups as a convenient reading and
    statistics service. We don't know.

    Huh? DIG has direct access to the spool.
    Why would he even think of reading back things that have gone out?

    With newsgroup interface software, you can
    read selectively. You can search for
    particular text in messages. It may be not
    !easy to do that on the server side -
    though it isn't necessarily hard to feed
    the messages to your own news server.

    I am committing theological speculation,
    as I say. I believe that DIG does not
    personally see most of what is posted in
    t.o. DIG rarely posts himself. When he
    does, that is likely to reveal what he is
    posting with, and possibly reading with.
    There may be two different answers to two
    questions. I haven't investigated, and
    I do not see another regular coming forward
    to say that DIG is known to favour,
    Say, NZBGet.

    I think we are not meant to know.

    DIG has used both Google and AIOE for testing purposes.
    Usually his test postings are injected directly at Ediacara,

    Jan

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Wed Mar 13 12:56:19 2024
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 28/02/2024 12:58, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 23/02/2024 08:58, jillery wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:20:06 +0000, Robert Carnegie
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 22/02/2024 14:01, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 23:13:24 +0000, Robert Carnegie
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 19/02/2024 04:23, jillery wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by jillery <[email protected]>:

    On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I >>>>>>>>>>> assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses. >>>>>>>>>>

    DIG?

    David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
    the Moderator).


    I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how >>>>>>>> Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.

    DIG rarely uses the power to exclude people
    from talk.origins. People are here because
    DIG allows them to be.


    Is that supposed to answer my question?

    Yes. The preceding remarks included the need
    to ban a few people. Over and over again,
    when necessary. And of such is the kingdom
    of DIG.


    Really? My understanding is which newsreader DIG uses isn't relevant
    to "the need to ban a few people". Apparently your mileage varies.

    This is going to sound more and more theological
    but it isn't very clear that DIG reads in this
    group at all. That's the "if he's doing so now"
    part. And it's plausible that he has been using
    Google Groups as a convenient reading and
    statistics service. We don't know.

    Huh? DIG has direct access to the spool.
    Why would he even think of reading back things that have gone out?

    With newsgroup interface software, you can
    read selectively. You can search for
    particular text in messages. It may be not
    !easy to do that on the server side -
    though it isn't necessarily hard to feed
    the messages to your own news server.

    I am committing theological speculation,
    as I say. I believe that DIG does not
    personally see most of what is posted in
    t.o. DIG rarely posts himself. When he
    does, that is likely to reveal what he is
    posting with, and possibly reading with.
    There may be two different answers to two
    questions. I haven't investigated, and
    I do not see another regular coming forward
    to say that DIG is known to favour,
    Say, NZBGet.

    I think we are not meant to know.

    Whenever DIG checks the server software and applies an update he usually
    makes testing comments so one could check his headers if so inclined. My
    guess is he’s using some arcane old school reader like slrn. I know Beagle
    is based on a Berkeley Software Distribution platform but maybe also
    clouded on AWS. That’s not super relevant to the newsreader DIG uses which
    is verging on fans acquiring the sneaker brand preferred by some NBA
    hotshot.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Wed Mar 13 16:44:26 2024
    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:52:52 +0100
    [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 28/02/2024 12:58, J. J. Lodder wrote:



    [dunno too deep]

    Yes. The preceding remarks included the need
    to ban a few people. Over and over again,
    when necessary. And of such is the kingdom
    of DIG.
    []

    I think we are not meant to know.

    DIG has used both Google and AIOE for testing purposes.
    Usually his test postings are injected directly at Ediacara,


    I managed to sneak in without any particular problem.
    Maybe there's not a lot of posts getting rejected?


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to John on Wed Mar 13 22:16:11 2024
    Kerr-Mudd, John <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:52:52 +0100
    [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 28/02/2024 12:58, J. J. Lodder wrote:



    [dunno too deep]

    Yes. The preceding remarks included the need
    to ban a few people. Over and over again,
    when necessary. And of such is the kingdom
    of DIG.
    []

    I think we are not meant to know.

    DIG has used both Google and AIOE for testing purposes.
    Usually his test postings are injected directly at Ediacara,


    I managed to sneak in without any particular problem.
    Maybe there's not a lot of posts getting rejected?

    Nothing gets ever rejected to begin with.
    The group is bot-moderated against posters, not against posts.
    You, and all your posts with you, get rejected only
    when you manage to hit DIG's irogenenic zones hard enough
    to generate sufficient ire to get him to program the bot
    to kill you.
    Few people have ever succeeded in doing that.
    BTW, nym-shifting to avoid kill-files is forbidden.
    IIRC someone, that is, all of him,
    did succeed in getting banned for this reason.

    Nando succeeded in getting banned once,
    by flaunting a direct order, but even he is back again,
    under two nyms even,

    Jan

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Thu Mar 14 01:33:09 2024
    J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:52:52 +0100
    [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 28/02/2024 12:58, J. J. Lodder wrote:



    [dunno too deep]

    Yes. The preceding remarks included the need
    to ban a few people. Over and over again,
    when necessary. And of such is the kingdom
    of DIG.
    []

    I think we are not meant to know.

    DIG has used both Google and AIOE for testing purposes.
    Usually his test postings are injected directly at Ediacara,


    I managed to sneak in without any particular problem.
    Maybe there's not a lot of posts getting rejected?

    Nothing gets ever rejected to begin with.
    The group is bot-moderated against posters, not against posts.
    You, and all your posts with you, get rejected only
    when you manage to hit DIG's irogenenic zones hard enough
    to generate sufficient ire to get him to program the bot
    to kill you.
    Few people have ever succeeded in doing that.
    BTW, nym-shifting to avoid kill-files is forbidden.
    IIRC someone, that is, all of him,
    did succeed in getting banned for this reason.

    Nando succeeded in getting banned once,
    by flaunting a direct order, but even he is back again,
    under two nyms even,

    Yeah I think it takes a lot to raise DIG’s hackles. Didn’t jonathan the complexity guy try and maybe succeed at suicide by moderator? Jabriol, Prawnster, and DrDr stand out as rare occurrences if my memory is correct.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 14 10:29:45 2024
    *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:52:52 +0100
    [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 28/02/2024 12:58, J. J. Lodder wrote:



    [dunno too deep]

    Yes. The preceding remarks included the need
    to ban a few people. Over and over again,
    when necessary. And of such is the kingdom
    of DIG.
    []

    I think we are not meant to know.

    DIG has used both Google and AIOE for testing purposes.
    Usually his test postings are injected directly at Ediacara,


    I managed to sneak in without any particular problem.
    Maybe there's not a lot of posts getting rejected?

    Nothing gets ever rejected to begin with.
    The group is bot-moderated against posters, not against posts.
    You, and all your posts with you, get rejected only
    when you manage to hit DIG's irogenenic zones hard enough
    to generate sufficient ire to get him to program the bot
    to kill you.
    Few people have ever succeeded in doing that.
    BTW, nym-shifting to avoid kill-files is forbidden.
    IIRC someone, that is, all of him,
    did succeed in getting banned for this reason.

    Nando succeeded in getting banned once,
    by flaunting a direct order, but even he is back again,
    under two nyms even,

    Yeah I think it takes a lot to raise DIG's hackles. Didn't jonathan the complexity guy try and maybe succeed at suicide by moderator? Jabriol, Prawnster, and DrDr stand out as rare occurrences if my memory is correct.

    Now that you mention it, yes, iirc deliberately starting
    a hundred or so off-topic threads, and going on with it repeatedly
    after several warnings, was too much,

    Jan

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 14 09:39:11 2024
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 01:33:09 +0000, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d>:

    J. J. Lodder <[email protected]> wrote:
    Kerr-Mudd, John <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 11:52:52 +0100
    [email protected] (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 28/02/2024 12:58, J. J. Lodder wrote:



    [dunno too deep]

    Yes. The preceding remarks included the need
    to ban a few people. Over and over again,
    when necessary. And of such is the kingdom
    of DIG.
    []

    I think we are not meant to know.

    DIG has used both Google and AIOE for testing purposes.
    Usually his test postings are injected directly at Ediacara,


    I managed to sneak in without any particular problem.
    Maybe there's not a lot of posts getting rejected?

    Nothing gets ever rejected to begin with.
    The group is bot-moderated against posters, not against posts.
    You, and all your posts with you, get rejected only
    when you manage to hit DIG's irogenenic zones hard enough
    to generate sufficient ire to get him to program the bot
    to kill you.
    Few people have ever succeeded in doing that.
    BTW, nym-shifting to avoid kill-files is forbidden.
    IIRC someone, that is, all of him,
    did succeed in getting banned for this reason.

    Nando succeeded in getting banned once,
    by flaunting a direct order, but even he is back again,
    under two nyms even,

    Yeah I think it takes a lot to raise DIG�s hackles. Didn�t jonathan the >complexity guy try and maybe succeed at suicide by moderator? Jabriol, >Prawnster, and DrDr stand out as rare occurrences if my memory is correct.

    True, but only Jabbers has the distinction (AFAIK) of being
    banned at the specific request of another newsgroup; a rape
    support group IIRC. If you look up "a real piece of work"
    you'll see Jabber's picture.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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