• Spotted or barred

    From RonO@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 6 08:39:08 2024
    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/kill-barred-owls-to-save-endangered-spotted-owls-proposal-rcna129926

    There have been several news articles about the US Fish and Wildlife
    Service wanting to start killiing barred owls on the West coast because
    they are out competing spotted owls. For some reason they blame human intervention, but that is stupid. The last interglacial the same thing
    likely occurred and the spotted and barred owls likely got together
    again. The barred owl used the Canadian forests to get to the West
    coast. This region would have been impassable during the last ice age,
    and would have separated the two species, but during the interglacials
    the forests would return.

    What they should likely do is look for previous interbreeding events in
    the two species. They know that the two species can interbreed, and it
    has likely happened before when the two populations are no longer
    separated by ice. It may just be that the Northern spotted owls were
    just not destined to survive the next ice age, and that this is how they
    have maintained their current range for the last million years when the
    cold intervals got longer. They have had to survive cold intervals over
    100 thousand years long for the last half million years, and they likely
    did it where they have large populations in the Southwest.

    My take is that this is just natures way of making sure that the best
    genetics survive into the future. Where are the less fit spotted owls
    going to survive the next cold period? Is their population genetically
    healthy enough to survive another cold period? For all we know it was
    the spotted owl that made the continental migration last time and
    invaded the barred owl territory, and their genetics are coming back to
    take over the West coast population that survived as small isolated
    populations during the last cold period.

    What we need are large populations of genetically healthy individuals.
    Small populations are likely destined for extinction. They have to
    assess how different spotted owls are from barred owls and, my guess is
    that they are pretty closely related (this has probably happened before
    in previous interglacials). If they think that the spotted owls have
    genetic adaptations that would help the barred owls they can start a
    hybrid breeding program and make sure that spotted owl genetics have a
    future in the Northwest.

    From what I've seen before these two species are pretty closely
    related, and my guess is that they have evidence of previous
    interbreeding events in their genomes, but no one wants to look. One
    paper that I saw had the Northwest barred owls more closely related to
    the spotted owls than the East coast barred owls. It looked like they
    might have had around 6% introgression from Spotted owls (the non hybrid
    West Coast barred). The current known hybrids were about halfway
    between spotted and West coast Barred. The paper did not comment on why
    the West Coast barred seems to have some spotted owl genetics, they only
    tried to claim that they seem to be a divergent unsampled sub population
    of midwest or East coast Barred owls that somehow made it through Canada
    to the West coast.

    We should just let this sub population of barred owls expand and
    increase their population size. For all we know all the other sub
    populations are headed for extinction, and this population has the
    genetics to make it into the future. It will have less of a chance to
    make it into the future if we reduce it's population size in order to
    save a population that is already failing. They are talking about
    killing a half a million animals. For a noninvasive species (this has
    likely happened before) it would be stupid to reduce the size of a
    healthy thriving population when we know that in the next ice age their population will be decimated and they will need all the genetic
    variation that they have to survive another hundred thousand years of
    reduced habitat.

    Ron Okimoto

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  • From Robert Carnegie@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 14 03:33:18 2024
    I don't have an owl in this fight...

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