On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 00:13:58 -0500
Ron Dean <[email protected]> wrote:

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Whether or not ID fits into the narrow, restrictive confines of
modern science, it does not mean intelligent design is not a fact. In
view, of the fact there is no better explanation, ID remains. Indeed
creation (design) was the initial explanation for life and searching
for alternative or scientific explanations for Ool may very well be
an exercise in futility.

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Creationist theology was _not_ the original explanation for the
creatures existing in this world. Creationism had several primitive
forms among the peoples of the ancient world. The ancient Israelites
who wrote the Bible books did not believe in Christian creationism and
all of those prophets would view modern creationist ideology as
blasphemy. Genesis is about the ordering of God's invisible creation,
which was to be done before any final ordering of the visible creation
at the day of the resurrection:

(Colossians 1:15)
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Jesus is the FIRST born of EVERY creature. This destroys creationism.
It tells us when the creation began: 3BC. No creatures were born or
created before Jesus. He is the FIRST of the living creatures. So you
can see, the Christian definition of, 'living creature' is wrong.

And Paul even wrote about this subject of heretical creationism:

"For the INVISIBLE things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because
that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were
thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became
fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made
like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and
creeping things."

The creationsistas are looking at visible things with a darkened mind.
Paul says to look to the INVISIBLE things in the creation to understand
the living things that God is making.

The problem with intelligent design is that like the evolution
superstition both suppose to define life. The dead cannot define what
is alive. Just because something moves or speaks does not prove that it
is alive. That which is born from above is alive. That which is not
born from above is dead, being lost in lawlessness.

That which is decaying is not alive. It is already dead.

The 'debate' will go nowhere because both contestants are already dead.

Evolution vs creationism is a false dichotomy. It presupposes there are
only two options, each of which serves an agenda. Both ideologies are
the result of men with agendas cooking up a religion to bolster their pre-conceived agendas. Neither evolution nor creationism are the result
of any valid scientific method. Both are the result of cultist
superstitions that feed the pride and hubris of the cultists.

Reality has always existed. It did not have a time when it didn't
exist. It is part of something much bigger and more grand than man's
wildest imaginations. It did not come from a big bang out of chaos and nothingness. It was not "intelligently designed." It has always existed
as an appendage to a greater invisible environment. The Creator reforms
and reshapes it according to His will. Our consciousness experiences it
in the stream of time, thus we try to conceive a beginning and end.

Any Christian who is not a sectarian cultist can read the Bible and see
the Beginning and End in Genesis and Revelation are not temporal phrases regarding time but ordinal phrases defining the rank of a person.
Using such non-temporal titles of nobility to prop up temporal
creationist theology is heresy.

Atheists interpreting such phrases according to Christian superstition
shows a total departure from the scientific method and semantics. It is impossible for an atheist to disprove the Bible because no atheist
understands the bible in the first place. Listening to an atheist
critique the Bible is like hearing a toddler arguing against the
meaning of Shakespeare. You are not qualified to criticize a thing that completely evades your mental powers of comprehension.

In sum, nobody in the dichotomy of the debate knows what they are
talking about. And they don't care to be corrected by someone who does
know. Those who do know walk a long and lonely road surrounded by the
madness of zombie hatters.

The Bible teaches about this conundrum: The living cannot have
communion with the dead. Nor should the living seek to the dead for any knowledge, for the dead know nothing at all. Only those comprehended in
the true faith of Jesus are alive. The rest are dead and cannot define
what is life or what is living. They know nothing at all.

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