- Poking around in the features I noticed some information in the header files, specifically there is an "organization" field. Mine is "A
noiseless patient Spider", On some I've seen "What are you looking for?"
What is "organization" such that it seems to allow random naming (I know
mine is a reference to Whitman, but what the hell does that have to do
with a Usenet organization?)
On 28/12/2023 20:22, Zen Cycle wrote:
- Poking around in the features I noticed some information in the header
files, specifically there is an "organization" field. Mine is "A
noiseless patient Spider", On some I've seen "What are you looking for?"
What is "organization" such that it seems to allow random naming (I know
mine is a reference to Whitman, but what the hell does that have to do
with a Usenet organization?)
I presume "A noiseless patient Spider" is the default "organisation" value
in Thunderbird. I also presume that the purpose of the organisation field
is to denote company, government department, academic institution, etc.,
and is not relevant to consumer internet.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 21:28:39 -0700, Pro Plyd
<[email protected]d> wrote:
Ernest Major wrote:
On 28/12/2023 20:22, Zen Cycle wrote:
- Poking around in the features I noticed some information in the header >>>> files, specifically there is an "organization" field. Mine is "A
noiseless patient Spider", On some I've seen "What are you looking for?" >>>> What is "organization" such that it seems to allow random naming (I know >>>> mine is a reference to Whitman, but what the hell does that have to do >>>> with a Usenet organization?)
I presume "A noiseless patient Spider" is the default "organisation" value >>> in Thunderbird. I also presume that the purpose of the organisation field >>> is to denote company, government department, academic institution, etc., >>> and is not relevant to consumer internet.
Half right. It's the default org value header put there by ES
Correct. For completeness, most Usenet servers have default values for headers fields, but will not overwrite whatever a user specifies. So
Zen Cycle can specify whatever he wants in the org value header.
And since it was mentioned, several posters have noted that ES has
been dropping posts, and have had better results with Solani (news.solani.org).
With the demise of Google Groups I've decided to finally quit being lazy
and configure a news reader/mail client, going with Eternal September
and Thunderbird, mostly because they're free. However, I have a few
questions that I was hoping the more savvy and experienced users here
might be able to help me with. I have searched various web references
and user forums but haven't really found any explanations to the issues below:
- I've noticed the message composition in Thunderbird seems to limit characters per line to 73 when it wraps, but it keeps the format of the message I'm responding intact, wrapping at the window width. I can't
find a way to configure the message window to allow my typing to wrap at
the window width.
- Poking around in the features I noticed some information in the header files, specifically there is an "organization" field. Mine is "A
noiseless patient Spider", On some I've seen "What are you looking for?"
What is "organization" such that it seems to allow random naming (I know
mine is a reference to Whitman, but what the hell does that have to do
with a Usenet organization?)
- I linked Thunderbird to my Hotmail account which is how I'm subscribed
to the various Usenet groups. Messages I'm posting to Usenet through Thunderbird have placed a profile picture next to my posts as they
appear in google groups that _isn't_ the profile picture associated with
my Hotmail account. What's even more confusing is that email messages
sent from Thunderbird via Hotmail _do_ show the profile picture
associated with my hotmail account, as do messages to Usenet posted
through Google Groups. IOW - When I post to Usenet through google
groups, it uses my profile picture. When I post to Usenet using Thunderbird/ES it uses some picture I have no connection to. I have no
idea what it's a picture of, appears to be a black and white photo of a
guy playing a guitar. Could be worse, I suppose. I've not been able to
find any information on how or why this is happening, let alone how to
change it.
None of these issues are of any critical importance to me. If There's a
way to fix #s 1 and 3, great, if not, no big deal.
On 1/1/24 6:37 AM, jillery wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 04:18:00 -0330, David Dalton <[email protected]>Eternal September isn't the best choice you could make. Giganews
wrote:
On Dec 28, 2023, Zen Cycle wrote
(in article <umklee$3vejo$[email protected]>):
With the demise of Google Groups I've decided to finally quit being lazy >>>> and configure a news reader/mail client, going with Eternal September
and Thunderbird, mostly because they're free. However, I have a few
questions that I was hoping the more savvy and experienced users here
might be able to help me with. I have searched various web references
and user forums but haven't really found any explanations to the issues >>>> below:
- I've noticed the message composition in Thunderbird seems to limit
characters per line to 73 when it wraps, but it keeps the format of the >>>> message I'm responding intact, wrapping at the window width. I can't
find a way to configure the message window to allow my typing to wrap at >>>> the window width.
- Poking around in the features I noticed some information in the header >>>> files, specifically there is an "organization" field. Mine is "A
noiseless patient Spider", On some I've seen "What are you looking for?" >>>> What is "organization" such that it seems to allow random naming (I know >>>> mine is a reference to Whitman, but what the hell does that have to do >>>> with a Usenet organization?)
- I linked Thunderbird to my Hotmail account which is how I'm subscribed >>>> to the various Usenet groups. Messages I'm posting to Usenet through
Thunderbird have placed a profile picture next to my posts as they
appear in google groups that _isn't_ the profile picture associated with >>>> my Hotmail account. What's even more confusing is that email messages
sent from Thunderbird via Hotmail _do_ show the profile picture
associated with my hotmail account, as do messages to Usenet posted
through Google Groups. IOW - When I post to Usenet through google
groups, it uses my profile picture. When I post to Usenet using
Thunderbird/ES it uses some picture I have no connection to. I have no >>>> idea what it's a picture of, appears to be a black and white photo of a >>>> guy playing a guitar. Could be worse, I suppose. I've not been able to >>>> find any information on how or why this is happening, let alone how to >>>> change it.
None of these issues are of any critical importance to me. If There's a >>>> way to fix #s 1 and 3, great, if not, no big deal.
One good place to ask for Eternal September help is the group
eternal-september.support .
My understanding is Zen Cycle's expressed problems are related more to
TBird than to ES. But I acknowledge your advice can't hurt, and might
help.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
requires payment, but seems to work much better. Thunderbird requires
some patience to set it up properly, but I think I have it under control.
On 1/1/24 10:48 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 08:50:56 -0800, the following appeared inActually, killfiles (or "filters" on T-bird), can easily be manually
talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<[email protected]>:
On 1/1/24 6:37 AM, jillery wrote:FWIW, I used Supernews (~$60/year) for about 15 years, until
On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 04:18:00 -0330, David Dalton <[email protected]>Eternal September isn't the best choice you could make. Giganews
wrote:
On Dec 28, 2023, Zen Cycle wrote
(in article <umklee$3vejo$[email protected]>):
With the demise of Google Groups I've decided to finally quit being lazy >>>>>> and configure a news reader/mail client, going with Eternal September >>>>>> and Thunderbird, mostly because they're free. However, I have a few >>>>>> questions that I was hoping the more savvy and experienced users here >>>>>> might be able to help me with. I have searched various web references >>>>>> and user forums but haven't really found any explanations to the issues >>>>>> below:
- I've noticed the message composition in Thunderbird seems to limit >>>>>> characters per line to 73 when it wraps, but it keeps the format of the >>>>>> message I'm responding intact, wrapping at the window width. I can't >>>>>> find a way to configure the message window to allow my typing to wrap at >>>>>> the window width.
- Poking around in the features I noticed some information in the header >>>>>> files, specifically there is an "organization" field. Mine is "A
noiseless patient Spider", On some I've seen "What are you looking for?" >>>>>> What is "organization" such that it seems to allow random naming (I know >>>>>> mine is a reference to Whitman, but what the hell does that have to do >>>>>> with a Usenet organization?)
- I linked Thunderbird to my Hotmail account which is how I'm subscribed >>>>>> to the various Usenet groups. Messages I'm posting to Usenet through >>>>>> Thunderbird have placed a profile picture next to my posts as they >>>>>> appear in google groups that _isn't_ the profile picture associated with >>>>>> my Hotmail account. What's even more confusing is that email messages >>>>>> sent from Thunderbird via Hotmail _do_ show the profile picture
associated with my hotmail account, as do messages to Usenet posted >>>>>> through Google Groups. IOW - When I post to Usenet through google
groups, it uses my profile picture. When I post to Usenet using
Thunderbird/ES it uses some picture I have no connection to. I have no >>>>>> idea what it's a picture of, appears to be a black and white photo of a >>>>>> guy playing a guitar. Could be worse, I suppose. I've not been able to >>>>>> find any information on how or why this is happening, let alone how to >>>>>> change it.
None of these issues are of any critical importance to me. If There's a >>>>>> way to fix #s 1 and 3, great, if not, no big deal.
One good place to ask for Eternal September help is the group
eternal-september.support .
My understanding is Zen Cycle's expressed problems are related more to >>>> TBird than to ES. But I acknowledge your advice can't hurt, and might >>>> help.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
requires payment, but seems to work much better. Thunderbird requires
some patience to set it up properly, but I think I have it under control. >>>
I decided to "go freebie". Supernews was *very* reliable,
but I decided that even that little was more than I wanted
to spend, especially considering the much-reduced traffic in
the Usenet groups that interest me. As for T'Bird, I prefer
Agent (paid version). There might still be a source for the
free version; IIRC the only downside was a lack of killfile
availability (but I could be mistaken; it's been quite a
while).
done by "delete". This shortcut is available for all, but it's more >satisfying to explicitly block repeat offenders.
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