On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Burkhard
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On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:40:53?PM UTC+1, Bob Casanova wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 09:58:45 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by ? Tiib <[email protected]>:
On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 15:05:53 UTC+3, JTEM is my hero wrote:
If Intelligent Design didn't exist we couldn't talk about
it. THERE'D BE NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT!
Obviously it exists. Obviously we can talk about it.
We can discuss the facts.
So it's real and that's proof.
You are correct that all the things that we discuss exist as topic of discussion.
But no one argues about that. Argument is if these are also actual reality. >> >That can not be true about all. All can not conform with reality for simple reason
that these contradict with each other.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions> >> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience>
You're being trolled; no one with more than two neurons
would write the above as a serious claim ("If we can talk
about it that proves it exists"),
Ahem. Me, Meinong, Ed Zalta and the six neurons we have in between us want to have a word...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_object_theory
Interesting; Plato (like Frodo) lives! But since I, and from
his phrasing JTEM the Tumbling Moron, was referring to
*physical* existence, not imaginary (or "abstract") objects
or, as I referred to them, "topics of discussion" as I
thought would have been clear, I'll stick to what I wrote.
Yes, they are indeed real, just as the pink elephants flying
around the room of someone with DTs are "real". But like
those elephants, they have no physical existence, and the
fact that he "sees" them doesn't cause them to exist.
since the same would also
apply to *anything we could imagine, from a flat Earth to
tiny leprechauns living in our sinuses and making us sneeze,
including literally *every* deity imagined by any group
anywhere at any time.
As you say, these things exist as topics of discussion, but
the phrasing chosen says that is *not* how it was intended,
but as an assertion that imagination creates physical
reality. Multi-person solipsism, perhaps?
--
Bob C.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
--
Bob C.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
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