• Exxon Mobil predicts global temperature increase over 2 degrees Celsius

    From Matt Beasley@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 09:28:27 2023
    Exxon Mobil predicts global temperature increase over 2 degrees Celsius by 2050 By Lyric Aquino, Sept 5, 2023, Grist

    Exxon Mobil projected that greenhouse-gas emissions and the efforts to keep the planet’s temperature from rising beyond an increase of 2 degrees Celsius by 2050 is destined to fail in a report released by the oil giant last week.

    Oil and natural gas are projected to meet more than half of the world’s energy needs in 2050, or 54%, because of their “utility as a reliable and lower-emissions source of fuel for electricity generation, hydrogen production, and heating,”
    according to the Houston-based company.

    The report stated carbon emissions stemming from burning fossil fuels and energy consumption will drop to 25 billion metric tons in 2050, due to the rise of renewable energy sources, decline of coal, and improvements in energy efficiency. This is
    expected to bring down energy consumption by 26% from a peak of 34 billion metric tons projected sometime in the current decade. But despite that decline in emissions, the worldwide carbon output is predicted to rise well above the levels the United
    Nations’ climate-science advisory body says would limit the effects of climate change.

    According to Exxon’s researchers, the world will see a 25% increase in population that will drive an economy twice the size of today’s. That level of growth is practically unprecedented: The report points out that it took thousands of years for the
    world to reach its first 2 billion people, which happened around 1930. Now the planet, already home to 8 billion people, is projected to add 2 billion more over the next 27 years.

    “Fossil fuels remain the most effective way to produce the massive amounts of energy needed to create and support the manufacturing, commercial transportation, and industrial sectors that drive modern economies,” the report said. ExxonMobil is
    investing more money to increase oil and gas production than any other company in the U.S., according to its website.

    Additionally, global gross domestic product, or GDP, is expected to more than double from 2021 to 2050, with developing nations growing at more than twice the rate of developed countries. Between now and 2050, developing countries will see GDP per capita
    more than double, driving higher demand for energy.

    “Meeting that demand with lower-emission energy options is vital to making progress toward society’s environmental goals,” said the researchers. “At the same time, failing to meet demand would prevent developing nations from achieving their
    economic goals and their citizens from living longer, more fulfilling lives.”

    In order to achieve the targets outlined by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and avoid the worst of climate change and natural disasters, the world needs emissions to drop to 11 billion metric tons on average by 2050, Exxon said.
    The researchers also noted that the world’s current push to halt carbon emissions by more than 25% by 2050 “is a testament to the significant progress expected to be made.”

    Currently, the oil company faces several lawsuits across the U.S. accusing it of climate change deception, seeking billions in damages.

    The oil company has said it supports the 2015 Paris climate accord but maintains the world will have to keep consuming oil and natural gas to fuel economic growth.

    Exxon is investing $17 billion over a six-year span through 2027 in lower carbon emissions technologies, including carbon capture and sequestration and hydrogen. The company says these two technologies hold significant promise for hard-to-decarbonize
    sectors such as the steel, chemical, and cement industries.

    Most of the funds are directed to reducing carbon emissions in-house and from third-party operations. While Exxon has so far stayed away from developing renewable sources, it expects wind and solar to provide 11% of the world’s energy supply in 2050,
    or five times today’s contribution.

    https://thebulletin.org/2023/09/exxon-mobil-predicts-global-temperature-increase-over-2-degrees-celsius-by-2050/

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  • From Gary Hurd@21:1/5 to Matt Beasley on Thu Sep 7 11:39:57 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-7, Matt Beasley wrote:
    Exxon Mobil predicts global temperature increase over 2 degrees Celsius by 2050
    By Lyric Aquino, Sept 5, 2023, Grist

    Exxon Mobil projected that greenhouse-gas emissions and the efforts to keep the planet’s temperature from rising beyond an increase of 2 degrees Celsius by 2050 is destined to fail in a report released by the oil giant last week.

    Oil and natural gas are projected to meet more than half of the world’s energy needs in 2050, or 54%, because of their “utility as a reliable and lower-emissions source of fuel for electricity generation, hydrogen production, and heating,”
    according to the Houston-based company.

    The report stated carbon emissions stemming from burning fossil fuels and energy consumption will drop to 25 billion metric tons in 2050, due to the rise of renewable energy sources, decline of coal, and improvements in energy efficiency. This is
    expected to bring down energy consumption by 26% from a peak of 34 billion metric tons projected sometime in the current decade. But despite that decline in emissions, the worldwide carbon output is predicted to rise well above the levels the United
    Nations’ climate-science advisory body says would limit the effects of climate change.

    According to Exxon’s researchers, the world will see a 25% increase in population that will drive an economy twice the size of today’s. That level of growth is practically unprecedented: The report points out that it took thousands of years for the
    world to reach its first 2 billion people, which happened around 1930. Now the planet, already home to 8 billion people, is projected to add 2 billion more over the next 27 years.

    “Fossil fuels remain the most effective way to produce the massive amounts of energy needed to create and support the manufacturing, commercial transportation, and industrial sectors that drive modern economies,” the report said. ExxonMobil is
    investing more money to increase oil and gas production than any other company in the U.S., according to its website.

    Additionally, global gross domestic product, or GDP, is expected to more than double from 2021 to 2050, with developing nations growing at more than twice the rate of developed countries. Between now and 2050, developing countries will see GDP per
    capita more than double, driving higher demand for energy.

    “Meeting that demand with lower-emission energy options is vital to making progress toward society’s environmental goals,” said the researchers. “At the same time, failing to meet demand would prevent developing nations from achieving their
    economic goals and their citizens from living longer, more fulfilling lives.”

    In order to achieve the targets outlined by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and avoid the worst of climate change and natural disasters, the world needs emissions to drop to 11 billion metric tons on average by 2050, Exxon said.
    The researchers also noted that the world’s current push to halt carbon emissions by more than 25% by 2050 “is a testament to the significant progress expected to be made.”

    Currently, the oil company faces several lawsuits across the U.S. accusing it of climate change deception, seeking billions in damages.

    The oil company has said it supports the 2015 Paris climate accord but maintains the world will have to keep consuming oil and natural gas to fuel economic growth.

    Exxon is investing $17 billion over a six-year span through 2027 in lower carbon emissions technologies, including carbon capture and sequestration and hydrogen. The company says these two technologies hold significant promise for hard-to-decarbonize
    sectors such as the steel, chemical, and cement industries.

    Most of the funds are directed to reducing carbon emissions in-house and from third-party operations. While Exxon has so far stayed away from developing renewable sources, it expects wind and solar to provide 11% of the world’s energy supply in 2050,
    or five times today’s contribution.

    https://thebulletin.org/2023/09/exxon-mobil-predicts-global-temperature-increase-over-2-degrees-celsius-by-2050/

    In 1981 I listened to 3 days of talks about "Climate Change" at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual meeting. Scientists didn't then think that anybody would be so damn stupid as to ignore the problem.

    We were wrong.

    Some reading;

    Oreskes, Naomi, Erik M. Conway 2010 "Merchants of Doubt" Bloomsbury Press.

    Oreskes, and Conway document that the "American Tobacco Institute" was a fraud from the start with bogus "studies" that "proved" nicotine was not addictive, and did not cause cancer. Then, the fossil fuel industry used the American Petroleum Institute on
    the same scheme (even some of the same "experts"). That gang set out to prove there was no medical threat from leaded gasoline, or smog. It was in the late 1970s and early '80s that climate change was added to the list of disasters that burning coal and
    petroleum "didn't cause."

    Michaels, David
    2019 “The Triumph of Doubt: Dark Money and the Science of Deception” Oxford University.
    David Michaels has focused more on the "what did they know, and when did they know it" aspects of climate destruction. His professional experience as an MD epidemiologist, and a Federal official are very important.

    Mooney, Chris
    2005 "The Republican War on Science" New York: Basic Press.
    As Chris Mooney showed 18 years ago, Republican politicians were just cheaper to buy.

    Michael E. Mann
    2013 "The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines" Columbia University Press

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  • From Matt Beasley@21:1/5 to Gary Hurd on Sat Sep 9 09:32:30 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:40:28 PM UTC-4, Gary Hurd wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:30:29 AM UTC-7, Matt Beasley wrote:
    Exxon Mobil predicts global temperature increase over 2 degrees Celsius by 2050
    By Lyric Aquino, Sept 5, 2023, Grist

    Exxon Mobil projected that greenhouse-gas emissions and the efforts to keep the planet’s temperature from rising beyond an increase of 2 degrees Celsius by 2050 is destined to fail in a report released by the oil giant last week.

    Oil and natural gas are projected to meet more than half of the world’s energy needs in 2050, or 54%, because of their “utility as a reliable and lower-emissions source of fuel for electricity generation, hydrogen production, and heating,”
    according to the Houston-based company.

    The report stated carbon emissions stemming from burning fossil fuels and energy consumption will drop to 25 billion metric tons in 2050, due to the rise of renewable energy sources, decline of coal, and improvements in energy efficiency. This is
    expected to bring down energy consumption by 26% from a peak of 34 billion metric tons projected sometime in the current decade. But despite that decline in emissions, the worldwide carbon output is predicted to rise well above the levels the United
    Nations’ climate-science advisory body says would limit the effects of climate change.

    According to Exxon’s researchers, the world will see a 25% increase in population that will drive an economy twice the size of today’s. That level of growth is practically unprecedented: The report points out that it took thousands of years for
    the world to reach its first 2 billion people, which happened around 1930. Now the planet, already home to 8 billion people, is projected to add 2 billion more over the next 27 years.

    “Fossil fuels remain the most effective way to produce the massive amounts of energy needed to create and support the manufacturing, commercial transportation, and industrial sectors that drive modern economies,” the report said. ExxonMobil is
    investing more money to increase oil and gas production than any other company in the U.S., according to its website.

    Additionally, global gross domestic product, or GDP, is expected to more than double from 2021 to 2050, with developing nations growing at more than twice the rate of developed countries. Between now and 2050, developing countries will see GDP per
    capita more than double, driving higher demand for energy.

    “Meeting that demand with lower-emission energy options is vital to making progress toward society’s environmental goals,” said the researchers. “At the same time, failing to meet demand would prevent developing nations from achieving their
    economic goals and their citizens from living longer, more fulfilling lives.”

    In order to achieve the targets outlined by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and avoid the worst of climate change and natural disasters, the world needs emissions to drop to 11 billion metric tons on average by 2050, Exxon said.
    The researchers also noted that the world’s current push to halt carbon emissions by more than 25% by 2050 “is a testament to the significant progress expected to be made.”

    Currently, the oil company faces several lawsuits across the U.S. accusing it of climate change deception, seeking billions in damages.

    The oil company has said it supports the 2015 Paris climate accord but maintains the world will have to keep consuming oil and natural gas to fuel economic growth.

    Exxon is investing $17 billion over a six-year span through 2027 in lower carbon emissions technologies, including carbon capture and sequestration and hydrogen. The company says these two technologies hold significant promise for hard-to-decarbonize
    sectors such as the steel, chemical, and cement industries.

    Most of the funds are directed to reducing carbon emissions in-house and from third-party operations. While Exxon has so far stayed away from developing renewable sources, it expects wind and solar to provide 11% of the world’s energy supply in
    2050, or five times today’s contribution.

    https://thebulletin.org/2023/09/exxon-mobil-predicts-global-temperature-increase-over-2-degrees-celsius-by-2050/
    In 1981 I listened to 3 days of talks about "Climate Change" at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual meeting. Scientists didn't then think that anybody would be so damn stupid as to ignore the problem.
    ---------------------
    In 1971 I listened to the biologists calling for population control.
    They weren't just talking about food, and completely ignoring all the
    other things we need, and ignoring emissions and pollution and sprawl
    and habitat loss and biodiversity. No, they weren't that stupid, but
    most everyone else is that stupid, because they don't read!
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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Sep 10 10:32:30 2023
    On Sat, 9 Sep 2023 09:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Matt Beasley
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:40:28?PM UTC-4, Gary Hurd wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:30:29?AM UTC-7, Matt Beasley wrote:
    Exxon Mobil predicts global temperature increase over 2 degrees Celsius by 2050
    By Lyric Aquino, Sept 5, 2023, Grist

    Exxon Mobil projected that greenhouse-gas emissions and the efforts to keep the planet’s temperature from rising beyond an increase of 2 degrees Celsius by 2050 is destined to fail in a report released by the oil giant last week.

    Oil and natural gas are projected to meet more than half of the world’s energy needs in 2050, or 54%, because of their “utility as a reliable and lower-emissions source of fuel for electricity generation, hydrogen production, and heating,”
    according to the Houston-based company.

    The report stated carbon emissions stemming from burning fossil fuels and energy consumption will drop to 25 billion metric tons in 2050, due to the rise of renewable energy sources, decline of coal, and improvements in energy efficiency. This is
    expected to bring down energy consumption by 26% from a peak of 34 billion metric tons projected sometime in the current decade. But despite that decline in emissions, the worldwide carbon output is predicted to rise well above the levels the United
    Nations’ climate-science advisory body says would limit the effects of climate change.

    According to Exxon’s researchers, the world will see a 25% increase in population that will drive an economy twice the size of today’s. That level of growth is practically unprecedented: The report points out that it took thousands of years for
    the world to reach its first 2 billion people, which happened around 1930. Now the planet, already home to 8 billion people, is projected to add 2 billion more over the next 27 years.

    “Fossil fuels remain the most effective way to produce the massive amounts of energy needed to create and support the manufacturing, commercial transportation, and industrial sectors that drive modern economies,” the report said. ExxonMobil is
    investing more money to increase oil and gas production than any other company in the U.S., according to its website.

    Additionally, global gross domestic product, or GDP, is expected to more than double from 2021 to 2050, with developing nations growing at more than twice the rate of developed countries. Between now and 2050, developing countries will see GDP per
    capita more than double, driving higher demand for energy.

    “Meeting that demand with lower-emission energy options is vital to making progress toward society’s environmental goals,” said the researchers. “At the same time, failing to meet demand would prevent developing nations from achieving their
    economic goals and their citizens from living longer, more fulfilling lives.”

    In order to achieve the targets outlined by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and avoid the worst of climate change and natural disasters, the world needs emissions to drop to 11 billion metric tons on average by 2050, Exxon
    said. The researchers also noted that the world’s current push to halt carbon emissions by more than 25% by 2050 “is a testament to the significant progress expected to be made.”

    Currently, the oil company faces several lawsuits across the U.S. accusing it of climate change deception, seeking billions in damages.

    The oil company has said it supports the 2015 Paris climate accord but maintains the world will have to keep consuming oil and natural gas to fuel economic growth.

    Exxon is investing $17 billion over a six-year span through 2027 in lower carbon emissions technologies, including carbon capture and sequestration and hydrogen. The company says these two technologies hold significant promise for hard-to-
    decarbonize sectors such as the steel, chemical, and cement industries.

    Most of the funds are directed to reducing carbon emissions in-house and from third-party operations. While Exxon has so far stayed away from developing renewable sources, it expects wind and solar to provide 11% of the world’s energy supply in
    2050, or five times today’s contribution.

    https://thebulletin.org/2023/09/exxon-mobil-predicts-global-temperature-increase-over-2-degrees-celsius-by-2050/
    In 1981 I listened to 3 days of talks about "Climate Change" at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual meeting. Scientists didn't then think that anybody would be so damn stupid as to ignore the problem.
    ---------------------
    In 1971 I listened to the biologists calling for population control.
    They weren't just talking about food, and completely ignoring all the
    other things we need, and ignoring emissions and pollution and sprawl
    and habitat loss and biodiversity. No, they weren't that stupid, but
    most everyone else is that stupid, because they don't read!


    There are many ways to control populations. I bet 100 Quatloos those biologists said the solution you troll is among the least effective.

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    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From Matt Beasley@21:1/5 to jillery on Mon Sep 11 11:53:12 2023
    jillery wrote:
    Matt Beasley wrote:
    Gary Hurd wrote:
    , Matt Beasley wrote:
    Exxon Mobil predicts global temperature increase over 2 degrees Celsius by 2050
    By Lyric Aquino, Sept 5, 2023, Grist
    [ . . . ]
    In 1981 I listened to 3 days of talks about "Climate Change" at the AAAS annual meeting.
    Scientists didn't then think that anybody would be so damn stupid as to ignore the problem.
    ---------------------
    In 1971 I listened to the biologists calling for population control.
    They weren't just talking about food, and completely ignoring all the
    other things we need, and ignoring emissions and pollution and sprawl
    and habitat loss and biodiversity. No, they weren't that stupid, but
    most everyone else is that stupid, because they don't read!
    ---------------------------
    There are many ways to control populations. I bet 100 Quatloos those biologists said the solution you troll is among the least effective.
    -----------------
    The population doubled since then, so I guess their solution didn't work!
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    "Anybody can be wrong about anything!"
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