On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 05:35:13 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

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I am not the Subject! The Subject is All of Us! Did you forget?
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 19:34:09 -0700 (PDT), Matt Beasley
<[email protected]> wrote:

Has the Population Bomb exploded?
by JULIAN CRIBB, NOV 2, 2022
On Nov 15, 2022 � according to the UN � human being number 8,000,000,000 entered the world. But what sort of a world are they inheriting?

The scientific evidence is already amassing that the Earth has far more humans, living at far higher levels of consumption and pollution, than it can possibly carry in the long run.

Remembering Malthus; not explosion, but overshoot and collapse, this
century: https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4060/4/3/32

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On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 20:05:12 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

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I am not the Subject! The Subject is All of Us! Did you forget?

Natural population curve is like there: <https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Microbiology/Microbiology_(Bruslind)/09%3A_Microbial_Growth>
Lag phase, exponential growth phase, stationary phase and death phase.
No explosions anywhere.
Our growth is slowing, unless we do something explosive (like nuclear war) the life becomes shitty and the population stabilizes around 11 billions at end
of this century. But likelihood that we do nothing explosive is low.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

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I am not the Subject! The Subject is All of Us! Did you forget?

Natural population curve is like there: <https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Microbiology/Microbiology_(Bruslind)/09%3A_Microbial_Growth>
Lag phase, exponential growth phase, stationary phase and death phase.
No explosions anywhere.
Our growth is slowing, unless we do something explosive (like nuclear war) the
life becomes shitty and the population stabilizes around 11 billions at end of this century. But likelihood that we do nothing explosive is low.

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Natural population dynamics: Each species has natural enemies
that keep its numbers in check! Did you forget?
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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

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You need to take some illegal immigrants into your home,
and take care of them, because you believe that Numbers Don't Matter,
and There's No Limits!
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On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 21:50:17 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

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You need to take some illegal immigrants into your home,
and take care of them, because you believe that Numbers Don't Matter,
and There's No Limits!

How I can deal with illegal immigrants? I have no right. Dealing
with whatever illegal is privilege of police here.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

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You need to take some illegal immigrants into your home,
and take care of them, because you believe that Numbers Don't Matter,
and There's No Limits!

How I can deal with illegal immigrants? I have no right. Dealing
with whatever illegal is privilege of police here.

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Is there any limit on immigration, legal or illegal, in your country?
Is there any limit on the number of residents, in general?
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On Tuesday, 29 August 2023 at 01:20:18 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

--------------
You need to take some illegal immigrants into your home,
and take care of them, because you believe that Numbers Don't Matter, and There's No Limits!

How I can deal with illegal immigrants? I have no right. Dealing
with whatever illegal is privilege of police here.

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Is there any limit on immigration, legal or illegal, in your country?
Is there any limit on the number of residents, in general?

Everywhere are limits and regulations. EU has some common migration
and asylum policies, but also there are local laws, how to get residence permit and for how long. Basically:
* refugees will be aided until the issue they ran from resolves.
* worker from outside EU has to fill some papers together with employer
for to get residence permit.
* when foreign worker loses the work contract, then they have some time
to find new employer or otherwise they lose residence permit.
* when someone is married to citizen then they have residence permit
because of that.
* kids are in responsibility of their parents, must go to school, etc.
* dealing with illegals is business of state ...may be arrested, fined and/or deported with force.

There are no real problem to fit people to Estonia. After WWII (when
lot of us died) we did grow slightly back and quite lot of people of other nations migrated in. After Soviet Union split up at start of nineties our population has been shrinking. Graph is about like there: <https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/EST/estonia/population-growth-rate>
Our climate is quite cold, life is not too cheap, crime is hard to commit without getting caught, some sources accuse us of racism, xenophobia
and "rampant Russophobia", also we are next to Russia ... so perhaps
not among first choice to migrate into.

Result is that (~7%) of people living in Estonia are not citizens. That is
more than in EU overall (~5%) but way less than USA (~14%).

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

--------------
You need to take some illegal immigrants into your home,
and take care of them, because you believe that Numbers Don't Matter, and There's No Limits!

How I can deal with illegal immigrants? I have no right. Dealing
with whatever illegal is privilege of police here.

-----------------------
Is there any limit on immigration, legal or illegal, in your country?
Is there any limit on the number of residents, in general?

Everywhere are limits and regulations. EU has some common migration
and asylum policies, but also there are local laws, how to get residence permit and for how long. Basically:
* refugees will be aided until the issue they ran from resolves.
* worker from outside EU has to fill some papers together with employer
for to get residence permit.
* when foreign worker loses the work contract, then they have some time
to find new employer or otherwise they lose residence permit.
* when someone is married to citizen then they have residence permit
because of that.
* kids are in responsibility of their parents, must go to school, etc.
* dealing with illegals is business of state ...may be arrested, fined and/or
deported with force.

There are no real problem to fit people to Estonia. After WWII (when
lot of us died) we did grow slightly back and quite lot of people of other nations migrated in. After Soviet Union split up at start of nineties our population has been shrinking. Graph is about like there: <https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/EST/estonia/population-growth-rate> Our climate is quite cold, life is not too cheap, crime is hard to commit without getting caught, some sources accuse us of racism, xenophobia
and "rampant Russophobia", also we are next to Russia ... so perhaps
not among first choice to migrate into.

Result is that (~7%) of people living in Estonia are not citizens. That is more than in EU overall (~5%) but way less than USA (~14%).

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Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!
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On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 03:10:19 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

--------------
You need to take some illegal immigrants into your home,
and take care of them, because you believe that Numbers Don't Matter,
and There's No Limits!

How I can deal with illegal immigrants? I have no right. Dealing
with whatever illegal is privilege of police here.

-----------------------
Is there any limit on immigration, legal or illegal, in your country?
Is there any limit on the number of residents, in general?

Everywhere are limits and regulations. EU has some common migration
and asylum policies, but also there are local laws, how to get residence permit and for how long. Basically:
* refugees will be aided until the issue they ran from resolves.
* worker from outside EU has to fill some papers together with employer for to get residence permit.
* when foreign worker loses the work contract, then they have some time
to find new employer or otherwise they lose residence permit.
* when someone is married to citizen then they have residence permit because of that.
* kids are in responsibility of their parents, must go to school, etc.
* dealing with illegals is business of state ...may be arrested, fined and/or
deported with force.

There are no real problem to fit people to Estonia. After WWII (when
lot of us died) we did grow slightly back and quite lot of people of other nations migrated in. After Soviet Union split up at start of nineties our population has been shrinking. Graph is about like there: <https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/EST/estonia/population-growth-rate> Our climate is quite cold, life is not too cheap, crime is hard to commit without getting caught, some sources accuse us of racism, xenophobia
and "rampant Russophobia", also we are next to Russia ... so perhaps
not among first choice to migrate into.

Result is that (~7%) of people living in Estonia are not citizens. That is more than in EU overall (~5%) but way less than USA (~14%).

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Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? Every jurisdiction has its right to behave like they please unless they have ratified some international treaty about topic under question. Also any country may revoke their ratification of whatever treaty ... for risk of
international sanctions or "special military operations" started against it for that.

I have visited several places in our world and am convinced that lot more
of us could live lot better than now and at same time pollute the world at least hundred times less if there wasn't four of seven deadly sins: greed, wrath, envy and pride ... widespread from individual level to boasted to national level by propaganda by each of jurisdictions.

We see how Russia just recently destroyed with missiles about 60,000
tonnes of grain in Ukraine. IOW 7.5 kg of grain per person living on our planet. So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

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Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? [ . . . ] So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

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Five Takeaways From Our Investigation Into America’s Groundwater Crisis
By Christopher Flavelle and Mira Rojanasakul, Aug. 29, 2023, NY Times
A New York Times investigation has found that America is depleting its invaluable reserves of groundwater at a dangerous rate.

The practice of overpumping water from vast aquifers is already having consequences nationwide. The majority of U.S. drinking-water systems rely on groundwater, as does farming, one of the nation’s most important industries.

Despite being essential to American life, the health of the country’s aquifers is hard to gauge. The Times spent months collecting data on tens of thousands of wells to conduct one of the most comprehensive examinations of groundwater depletion
nationwide.

Here are five takeaways.

Aquifer water levels are falling nationwide. The danger is worse and more widespread than many people realize.
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Some 45% of the wells the Times examined showed a statistically significant decline in water levels since 1980. Four in 10 sites reached record-low water levels during the past decade, and last year was the worst yet.

“From an objective standpoint, this is a crisis,” said Warigia Bowman, a law professor and water expert at the University of Tulsa. “There will be parts of the U.S. that run out of drinking water.”

The declines threaten the long-term survival of communities that depend on groundwater and lack alternatives.

We know this because we built a database of more than 80,000 wells nationwide. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The available data on America’s aquifers is patchy and dispersed among many different federal, state and local agencies.

So the Times reached out to dozens of those agencies to collect millions of groundwater-level measurements for tens of thousands of sites, some of which have been tracked for a century. The analysis of that data provided a foundation for one of the most
thorough examinations to date of the groundwater crisis in the United States.

Overpumping is a threat to America’s status as a food superpower. -------------------------------------------------------------------
Pulling water out of the ground made it possible for America to become an agricultural superpower and one of the world’s largest exporters of corn, soybean, sorghum and cotton. Groundwater depletion is threatening that status.

The change is already happening in parts of Kansas, where 2.6 million acres of land no longer have enough groundwater to support large-scale agriculture. The western part of the state has seen some of the worst declines yet in groundwater levels. Corn
yields have plummeted to levels last seen in the 1960s, erasing decades of gains.

Other states risk following a similar path.

It’s not just a problem in the West or for farmers. It’s a tap water crisis, too.
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Aquifers are in decline far from the arid West. Arkansas, which produces half the nation’s rice, is pumping groundwater from its main agricultural aquifer more than twice as fast as nature can replace it. In some places, the aquifer has fallen to less
than 10 percent of its capacity.

In Maryland, almost three-quarters of monitoring wells have seen water levels drop since 1980, some by more than 100 feet. Charles County, which includes fast-growing suburbs of Washington, relies on groundwater, but within a decade, that groundwater
will no longer meet its needs.

As groundwater gets pumped up, the emptied-out space can collapse under the weight of the rock and soil above it. Once that happens, the aquifer loses the ability to hold water, permanently diminishing groundwater storage.

The Times visited one neighborhood in Utah that had to be permanently abandoned after a fissure split open the ground due to overpumping.

Weak regulations allowed the overuse. Now, climate change is leading to even more pumping.
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Weak state regulations, combined with a lack of federal oversight and no comprehensive national data, has made it possible for farms, cities and companies to draw down aquifers, the Times found.

Climate change is adding to that pressure.

Rising temperatures often means reduced snowpack, which in turn means less water flowing through rivers — pushing farmers and cities to lean more heavily on groundwater. But those same rising temperatures also mean plants and lawns require more water.

The result could be called a climate trap that threatens to deprive huge areas of the United States of groundwater supplies. The aquifers will only become more important as surface water becomes harder to get.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/climate/groundwater-aquifer-overuse-investigation-takeaways.html

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On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 07:55:21 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

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Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? [ . . . ] So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

-------------------------- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/climate/groundwater-aquifer-overuse-investigation-takeaways.html

It was your full right not to take the warnings of scientists started
more than half century ago seriously. The consequence will be
now some problems with getting so lot of fresh water as one wants.
It will be of course inconvenient but it will be far smaller nuisance
there than in lot of other places that are doing fine. Chad, Mali,
Algeria, Niger, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Sudan ... list is long.
No one has to die of thirst if you remain at least somewhat humane
in the process.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

---------------
Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? [ . . . ] So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

-------------------------- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/climate/groundwater-aquifer-overuse-investigation-takeaways.html

It was your full right not to take the warnings of scientists started
more than half century ago seriously. The consequence will be
now some problems with getting so lot of fresh water as one wants.
It will be of course inconvenient but it will be far smaller nuisance
there than in lot of other places that are doing fine. Chad, Mali,
Algeria, Niger, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Sudan ... list is long. No one has to die of thirst if you remain at least somewhat humane
in the process.

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Countries Who Are Unable To Produce Their Own Food
Rank Countries Without Sufficient Food Supply
1 Afghanistan
2 Burkina Faso
3 Burundi
4 Cameroon
5 Central African Republic
6 Chad
7 Democratic Republic of the Congo
8 Djibouti
9 Eritrea
10 Ethiopia
11 Guinea
12 Iraq
13 Kenya
14 Lesotho
15 Liberia
16 Madagascar
17 Malawi
18 Mali
19 Mauritania
20 Mozambique
21 Myanmar
22 Nepal
23 Niger
24 North Korea
25 Republic of the Congo
26 Sierra Leone
27 Somalia
28 South Sudan
29 Sudan
30 Swaziland
31 Syria
32 Uganda
33 Yemen
34 Zimbabwe https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html

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On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 19:30:21 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

---------------
Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? [ . . . ] So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

-------------------------- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/climate/groundwater-aquifer-overuse-investigation-takeaways.html

It was your full right not to take the warnings of scientists started
more than half century ago seriously. The consequence will be
now some problems with getting so lot of fresh water as one wants.
It will be of course inconvenient but it will be far smaller nuisance there than in lot of other places that are doing fine. Chad, Mali, Algeria, Niger, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Sudan ... list is long. No one has to die of thirst if you remain at least somewhat humane
in the process.

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Countries Who Are Unable To Produce Their Own Food
Rank Countries Without Sufficient Food Supply

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html

Gluttony award goes again to US. $133 billion.
Yes extreme weather events and long lasting military conflicts
make farming hard and famine likely in lot of places.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

---------------
Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? [ . . . ] So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

-------------------------- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/climate/groundwater-aquifer-overuse-investigation-takeaways.html

It was your full right not to take the warnings of scientists started more than half century ago seriously. The consequence will be
now some problems with getting so lot of fresh water as one wants.
It will be of course inconvenient but it will be far smaller nuisance there than in lot of other places that are doing fine. Chad, Mali, Algeria, Niger, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Sudan ... list is long.
No one has to die of thirst if you remain at least somewhat humane
in the process.

-------------------------
Countries Who Are Unable To Produce Their Own Food
Rank Countries Without Sufficient Food Supply

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html

Gluttony award goes again to US. $133 billion.
Yes extreme weather events and long lasting military conflicts
make farming hard and famine likely in lot of places.

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Asimov believed that "science fiction ... serve[s] the good of humanity". He considered himself a feminist even before women's liberation became a widespread movement; he argued that the issue of women's rights was closely connected to that of POPULATION
CONTROL. Furthermore, he believed that homosexuality must be considered a "moral right" on POPULATION GROUNDS, as must all consenting adult sexual activity that does not lead to reproduction. He issued many appeals for POPULATION CONTROL, reflecting a
perspective articulated by people from Thomas Malthus through Paul R. Ehrlich.

Asimov's defense of civil applications of nuclear power, even after the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant incident, damaged his relations with some of his fellow liberals. In a letter reprinted in Yours, Isaac Asimov, he states that although he would
prefer living in "no danger whatsoever" than near a nuclear reactor, he would still prefer a home near a nuclear power plant than in a slum on Love Canal or near "a Union Carbide plant producing methyl isocyanate", the latter being a reference to the
Bhopal disaster.

In the closing years of his life, Asimov blamed the deterioration of the quality of life that he perceived in New York City on the shrinking tax base caused by the middle-class flight to the suburbs, though he continued to support high taxes on the
middle class to pay for social programs. His last nonfiction book, Our Angry Earth (1991, co-written with Frederik Pohl), deals with elements of the environmental crisis such as OVERPOPULATION, oil dependence, war, global warming, and the destruction of
the ozone layer. In response to being presented by Bill Moyers with the question "What do you see happening to the idea of dignity to human species if this POPULATION GROWTH continues at its present rate?", Asimov responded:

"It's going to destroy it all ... if you have 20 people in the apartment and two bathrooms, no matter how much every person believes in freedom of the bathroom, there is no such thing. You have to set up, you have to set up times for each person, you
have to bang at the door, aren't you through yet, and so on. And in the same way, democracy cannot survive OVERPOPULATION. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. AS YOU PUT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ONTO THE WORLD, THE
VALUE OF LIFE NOT ONLY DECLINES, BUT IT DISAPPEARS."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov
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On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 05:10:22 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

---------------
Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? [ . . . ] So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

-------------------------- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/climate/groundwater-aquifer-overuse-investigation-takeaways.html

It was your full right not to take the warnings of scientists started more than half century ago seriously. The consequence will be
now some problems with getting so lot of fresh water as one wants.
It will be of course inconvenient but it will be far smaller nuisance there than in lot of other places that are doing fine. Chad, Mali, Algeria, Niger, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Sudan ... list is long.
No one has to die of thirst if you remain at least somewhat humane
in the process.

-------------------------
Countries Who Are Unable To Produce Their Own Food
Rank Countries Without Sufficient Food Supply

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html

Gluttony award goes again to US. $133 billion.
Yes extreme weather events and long lasting military conflicts
make farming hard and famine likely in lot of places.

--------------------

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov

There are no problem in rich countries with good education and healthcare. Fertility rate in those is way under 2 kids per woman.
Just educate people, stop behaving wastefully towards nature. The real
issue is the damage that is done not by population but by greedy, trash producing industries. Supermarkets full of shit no one needs, artificially reduced life expectancy of goods by careful engineering.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

---------------
Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? [ . . . ] So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

-------------------------- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/climate/groundwater-aquifer-overuse-investigation-takeaways.html

It was your full right not to take the warnings of scientists started
more than half century ago seriously. The consequence will be
now some problems with getting so lot of fresh water as one wants. It will be of course inconvenient but it will be far smaller nuisance
there than in lot of other places that are doing fine. Chad, Mali, Algeria, Niger, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Sudan ... list is long.
No one has to die of thirst if you remain at least somewhat humane in the process.

-------------------------
Countries Who Are Unable To Produce Their Own Food
Rank Countries Without Sufficient Food Supply

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html

Gluttony award goes again to US. $133 billion.
Yes extreme weather events and long lasting military conflicts
make farming hard and famine likely in lot of places.

--------------------

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov

There are no problem in rich countries with good education and healthcare. Fertility rate in those is way under 2 kids per woman.
Just educate people, stop behaving wastefully towards nature. The real
issue is the damage that is done not by population but by greedy, trash producing industries. Supermarkets full of shit no one needs, artificially reduced life expectancy of goods by careful engineering.

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Over-consumption in the world’s richest countries is destroying children’s environments globally, new report says
The world’s richest countries – including Finland, Iceland, the Netherlands and Norway – are providing healthier
environments for children within their borders, yet are disproportionately contributing to the destruction of the global environment
23 May 2022, UNICEF

The majority of wealthy countries are creating unhealthy, dangerous and noxious conditions for children across the world, according to the latest Report Card published today by UNICEF Office of Research - Innocenti.

Innocenti Report Card 17: Places and Spaces compares how 39 countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and European Union (EU) fare in providing healthy environments for children. The report features indicators such as
exposure to harmful pollutants including toxic air, pesticides, damp and lead; access to light, green spaces and safe roads; and countries’ contributions to the climate crisis, consumption of resources, and the dumping of e-waste.

The report states that if everybody in the world consumed resources at the rate people do in OECD and EU countries, the equivalent of 3.3 earths would be needed to keep up with consumption levels. If everyone were to consume resources at the rate at
which people in Canada, Luxembourg and the United States do, at least five earths would be needed.

While Spain, Ireland and Portugal feature at the top of the league table overall, all OECD and EU countries are failing to provide healthy environments for all children across all indicators. Some of the wealthiest countries, including Australia, Belgium,
Canada and the United States, have a severe and widespread impact on global environments – based on CO2 emissions, e-waste and overall consumptions of resources per capita – and also rank low overall on creating a healthy environment for children
within their borders. In contrast, the least wealthy OECD and EU countries in Latin America and Europe have a much lower impact on the wider world.

“Not only are the majority of rich countries failing to provide healthy environments for children within their borders, they are also contributing to the destruction of children’s environments in other parts of the world,” said Gunilla Olsson,
Director of UNICEF Office of Research – Innocenti. “In some cases we are seeing countries providing relatively healthy environments for children at home while being among the top contributors to pollutants that are destroying children’s
environments abroad.”

Additional findings include:

* Over 20 million children in this group of countries have elevated levels of lead in their blood. Lead is one of the most dangerous environmental toxic substances.

* Finland, Iceland and Norway rank in the top third for providing a healthy environment for their children yet rank in the bottom third for the world at large, with high rates of emissions, e-waste and consumption.

* In Iceland, Latvia, Portugal and the United Kingdom 1 in 5 children is exposed to damp and mould at home; while in Cyprus, Hungary and Turkey more than 1 in 4 children is exposed.

* Many children are breathing toxic air both outside and inside their homes. Mexico has among the highest number of years of healthy life lost due to air pollution at 3.7 years per thousand children, while Finland and Japan have the lowest at 0.2 years.

* In Belgium, Czech Republic, Israel, the Netherlands, Poland and Switzerland more than 1 in 12 children are exposed to high pesticide pollution. Pesticide pollution has been linked with cancer, including childhood leukaemia and can harm children’s
nervous, cardiovascular, digestive, reproductive, endocrine, blood and immune systems.

UNICEF is calling for the following steps to protect and improve children’s environments:

1. Governments at the national, regional and local level need to lead on improvements to children’s environments today, by reducing waste, air and water pollution, and by ensuring high-quality housing and neighbourhoods.

2. Improve environments for the most vulnerable children. Children in poor families tend to face greater exposure to environmental harm than do children in richer families. This entrenches and amplifies existing disadvantages and inequities.

3. Ensure that environmental policies are child sensitive. Governments and policymakers should make sure that the needs of children are built into decision making. Adult decision makers at all levels, from parents to politicians, must listen to their
perspectives and take them into account when designing policies that will disproportionately affect future generations.

4. Involve children, the main stakeholders of the future: Children will face today’s environmental problems for the longest time; but they are also the least able to influence the course of events.

5. Governments and businesses should take effective action now to honour the commitments they have made to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. Adaptation to climate change should also be at the forefront of action for both governments and the global
community, and across various sectors from education to infrastructure.

“We owe it to ourselves and to future generations to create better places and spaces for children to thrive,” said Olsson. “Mounting waste, harmful pollutants and exhausted natural resources are taking a toll on our children’s physical and mental
health and threatening our planet’s sustainability. We must pursue policies and practices that safeguard the natural environment upon which children and young people depend the most.”

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/over-consumption-worlds-richest-countries-destroying-childrens-environments-globally
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On Sunday, 3 September 2023 at 10:00:24 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

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Okay, now expand your analysis to the Whole World!

What you mean? [ . . . ] So what lack of resources are you possibly talking about?

-------------------------- https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/climate/groundwater-aquifer-overuse-investigation-takeaways.html

It was your full right not to take the warnings of scientists started
more than half century ago seriously. The consequence will be
now some problems with getting so lot of fresh water as one wants. It will be of course inconvenient but it will be far smaller nuisance
there than in lot of other places that are doing fine. Chad, Mali, Algeria, Niger, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania, Sudan ... list is long.
No one has to die of thirst if you remain at least somewhat humane in the process.

-------------------------
Countries Who Are Unable To Produce Their Own Food
Rank Countries Without Sufficient Food Supply

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-countries-importing-the-most-food-in-the-world.html

Gluttony award goes again to US. $133 billion.
Yes extreme weather events and long lasting military conflicts
make farming hard and famine likely in lot of places.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov

There are no problem in rich countries with good education and healthcare. Fertility rate in those is way under 2 kids per woman.
Just educate people, stop behaving wastefully towards nature. The real issue is the damage that is done not by population but by greedy, trash producing industries. Supermarkets full of shit no one needs, artificially reduced life expectancy of goods by careful engineering.

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https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/over-consumption-worlds-richest-countries-destroying-childrens-environments-globally

Same what I said, no problem with population, problem with garbage piles. Carefully engineered products to have ridiculously low life expectancy.
We need to make laws that these guys ... <https://companiesmarketcap.com/electronics/largest-electronic-manufacturing-by-market-cap/>
<https://companiesmarketcap.com/automakers/largest-automakers-by-market-cap/> ... etc. will be fined out of fart for manufacturing self-breaking goods
that they do.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

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1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!
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On Saturday, 9 September 2023 at 20:05:31 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

I meant that from our media you get all possible answers to
whatever question and if headline itself is in form of question
then the answer is usually obviously "no". But you picked
nonsensical question about "population bomb" that does not
even exist. Lot of our nature is desolate damaged wasteland
of tumbleweeds or sand. Damage to nature is real but it is
done by heartless industries, not population.

So I wanted you to elaborate first what you found noteworthy
in that alarmist article.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

I meant that from our media you get all possible answers to
whatever question and if headline itself is in form of question
then the answer is usually obviously "no". But you picked
nonsensical question about "population bomb" that does not
even exist. Lot of our nature is desolate damaged wasteland
of tumbleweeds or sand. Damage to nature is real but it is
done by heartless industries, not population.

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The industries are just producing what the population wants to buy and use!
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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

So I wanted you to elaborate first what you found noteworthy
in that alarmist article.

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QUOTE from the article: " the scientific evidence suggests that the Earth’s carrying capacity is... 2-2.5 billion people, living at advanced living standards."
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On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 22:00:33 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

I meant that from our media you get all possible answers to
whatever question and if headline itself is in form of question
then the answer is usually obviously "no". But you picked
nonsensical question about "population bomb" that does not
even exist. Lot of our nature is desolate damaged wasteland
of tumbleweeds or sand. Damage to nature is real but it is
done by heartless industries, not population.

----------------------
The industries are just producing what the population wants to buy and use!

You think people wanted to buy all that trash that if not immediately
useless breaks down in 2-3 years? <https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/ewaste-aspect-ratio-2000-1200-768x461.jpg>
Nope. They were fooled to think that it is maybe useful. And as
all politicians can be bribed, no government defends the people.
Huge supermarkets full of that trash on every more noteworthy
corner. Who needs it? Who wants it? I know of no one. Maybe it
is you? I visit one of those maximum once per quarter and find
rarely anything I need.

And now they tell that it is all fault of people like me and
you, there are too lot of us and we should be slaughtered.
You buy it ... I don't. Don't be sheep.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

I meant that from our media you get all possible answers to
[ . . . ]

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No you didn't; you meant "Why don't you kill yourself, so
we don't have to hear about this any more!"
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On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 03:40:33 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

I meant that from our media you get all possible answers to
[ . . . ]

------------------
No you didn't; you meant "Why don't you kill yourself, so
we don't have to hear about this any more!"

That is incorrect interpretation of my words. For me everyone
has right to have and express their opinion.
Your idea about diseases is counterintuitive for me. People
develop slowly and reaching age when their contribution is
positive takes resources and effort. Lot of them dying in young
age to diseases is waste of those resources and effort.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

I meant that from our media you get all possible answers to
[ . . . ]

------------------
No you didn't; you meant "Why don't you kill yourself, so
we don't have to hear about this any more!"

That is incorrect interpretation of my words. For me everyone
has right to have and express their opinion.
Your idea about diseases is counterintuitive for me. People
develop slowly and reaching age when their contribution is
positive takes resources and effort. Lot of them dying in young
age to diseases is waste of those resources and effort.

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No, it's survival of the fittest!
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On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 21:55:35 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

I meant that from our media you get all possible answers to
[ . . . ]

------------------
No you didn't; you meant "Why don't you kill yourself, so
we don't have to hear about this any more!"

That is incorrect interpretation of my words. For me everyone
has right to have and express their opinion.
Your idea about diseases is counterintuitive for me. People
develop slowly and reaching age when their contribution is
positive takes resources and effort. Lot of them dying in young
age to diseases is waste of those resources and effort.

-------------
No, it's survival of the fittest!

Perhaps. I think of "survival of fittest" as the most badly misapplied
words of Darwin. We all see that result of natural and normal biological developments was not few "Perfect Organisms" (from Alien franchise) in
killed off wasteland. It was diverse and beautiful nature. Our now damaged nature is result of human activity, excessive greed, wrath, envy and pride. These are deadly to our nature and to our specie together with it but are misidentified as "survival of fittest".

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On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 00:38:39 -0700 (PDT), Öö Tiib <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 21:55:35 UTC+3, Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

Matt Beasley wrote:

https://juliancribb.blog/2022/11/02/has-the-population-bomb-exploded/

You first.

----------
1. If a statement is true, it doesn't matter who said it!
2. You're pretending to be Large and In Charge, telling me
what to do, but there ain't hardly no freakin' way in Heaven
that you'll Ever be in charge of anything!

I meant that from our media you get all possible answers to
[ . . . ]

------------------
No you didn't; you meant "Why don't you kill yourself, so
we don't have to hear about this any more!"

That is incorrect interpretation of my words. For me everyone
has right to have and express their opinion.
Your idea about diseases is counterintuitive for me. People
develop slowly and reaching age when their contribution is
positive takes resources and effort. Lot of them dying in young
age to diseases is waste of those resources and effort.

-------------
No, it's survival of the fittest!

Perhaps. I think of "survival of fittest" as the most badly misapplied
words of Darwin. We all see that result of natural and normal biological >developments was not few "Perfect Organisms" (from Alien franchise) in
killed off wasteland. It was diverse and beautiful nature. Our now damaged >nature is result of human activity, excessive greed, wrath, envy and pride. >These are deadly to our nature and to our specie together with it but are >misidentified as "survival of fittest".

Correct. Also, the phrase fails to distinguish between survival of
individuals vs. survival of groups, which often conflict within social
species.

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To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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Öö Tiib wrote:

Our now damaged
nature is result of human activity, excessive greed, wrath, envy and pride.

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Do you not attribute excessive greed and pride to alcoholics and other addicts? We do have a recovery program for that! That's why I say we should make
it a job requirement for politicians to attend regular meetings of a spiritual recovery program, to learn a new way of life. Politicians Anonymous!
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