• Re: [moderator} sorry beagle was down a day

    From David Greig@21:1/5 to David Greig on Wed Aug 16 19:52:00 2023
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >> time and am now testposting

    --D.



    And responding to my own post.

    --D.


    And testing something else

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to David Greig on Wed Aug 16 13:55:51 2023
    On 2023-08-16 13:44, David Greig wrote:
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >> time and am now testposting

    --D.



    And responding to my own post.

    And your post and response are visible to others as well.

    André

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  • From David Greig@21:1/5 to David Greig on Wed Aug 16 19:44:02 2023
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th time and am now testposting

    --D.



    And responding to my own post.

    --D.

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  • From David Greig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 16 19:43:44 2023
    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th
    time and am now testposting

    --D.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Wed Aug 16 20:54:03 2023
    Bob Casanova <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:52:00 -0000 (UTC), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by David Greig
    <[email protected]>:

    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying
    shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl
    shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >>>> time and am now testposting

    --D.



    And responding to my own post.

    --D.


    And testing something else

    All seems to work; thanks for the effort! :-)

    So far so good.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 16 13:20:07 2023
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:52:00 -0000 (UTC), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by David Greig
    <[email protected]>:

    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >>> time and am now testposting

    --D.



    And responding to my own post.

    --D.


    And testing something else

    All seems to work; thanks for the effort! :-)

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Pro Plyd@21:1/5 to Bob Casanova on Wed Aug 16 22:08:53 2023
    Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:52:00 -0000 (UTC), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by David Greig
    <[email protected]>:
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >>>> time and am now testposting

    And responding to my own post.

    And testing something else

    All seems to work; thanks for the effort! :-)

    What he said ;)

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 17 00:35:25 2023
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:43:44 -0000 (UTC), David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:

    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >time and am now testposting

    --D.


    Pedantically, it was down for over three days. But thanks to you,
    we're up and running again, so it's water over the dam.

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Pro Plyd on Thu Aug 17 09:09:34 2023
    On 2023-08-17 04:08:53 +0000, Pro Plyd said:

    Bob Casanova wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:52:00 -0000 (UTC), the following
    appeared in talk.origins, posted by David Greig
    <[email protected]>:
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-08-16, David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:
    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying
    shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl >>>>> shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th
    time and am now testposting

    And responding to my own post.

    And testing something else

    All seems to work; thanks for the effort! :-)

    What he said ;)

    Wot they both said.


    --
    athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to jillery on Thu Aug 17 08:21:46 2023
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:43:44 -0000 (UTC), David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:

    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >time and am now testposting

    --D.

    To give DIG the benefit of the doubt, he may have only noticed the problem a day before he posted this.

    Pedantically, it was down for over three days.

    Yes, and I think it is good for folks to know that we talked about it in sci.bio.paleontology
    almost the whole time, and some of what we wrote.

    In particular, anyone reading this might benefit from knowing that s.b.p. is completely
    independent of Beagle.


    But thanks to you,
    we're up and running again, so it's water over the dam.

    Except that we'll be just as frustrated as we were since late August 13
    if Beagle goes down again and DIG doesn't try to change his habits.

    I wrote about one way he might change them on the s.b.p. thread I mentioned just now.

    _____________________ repost ____________________________

    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:06:50 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    T.O. may require DIG's attention. The last post to T.O. was over 12
    hours ago.

    Thanks for setting this thread up, jillery. It gave us in the USA early advance warning (1:06 am, EDT). As of now, the downtime is past the 27 hour mark.

    I have often recommended to DIG that he use sci.bio.paleontology to
    let us know that he is aware that Beagle is down and to give us
    periodic updates [one a day is enough, IMO] on how soon he expects
    it to be back up.

    Alas, the last time I got any feedback from DIG was early in 2011.
    In particular, he seems oblivious to these recommendations.


    Peter Nyikos
    ###################################### end of post
    archived at https://groups.google.com/g/sci.bio.paleontology/c/LMJxcNgxcNg/m/lWYGHVQCBAAJ Re: ATTN: Those with a direct line to DIG
    Aug 14, 2023, 4:05:14 PM


    In past downtimes lasting this long, s.b.p. served as a kind of "talk.origins in exile."

    This time, only one talk.origins regular took full advantage of that status to start a new thread there:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.bio.paleontology/c/eNHv_1Ig3L8

    It was a good one, and partly *not* OT by the fact that sci.bio.evolution died of boredom
    about a decade ago. The new thread got a pair of scientifically based additions.


    Peter Nyikos

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  • From erik simpson@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 17 08:36:30 2023
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 8:25:05 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:43:44 -0000 (UTC), David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:

    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th
    time and am now testposting

    --D.
    To give DIG the benefit of the doubt, he may have only noticed the problem a day before he posted this.
    Pedantically, it was down for over three days.
    Yes, and I think it is good for folks to know that we talked about it in sci.bio.paleontology
    almost the whole time, and some of what we wrote.

    In particular, anyone reading this might benefit from knowing that s.b.p. is completely
    independent of Beagle.
    But thanks to you,
    we're up and running again, so it's water over the dam.
    Except that we'll be just as frustrated as we were since late August 13
    if Beagle goes down again and DIG doesn't try to change his habits.

    I wrote about one way he might change them on the s.b.p. thread I mentioned just now.

    _____________________ repost ____________________________

    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:06:50 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    T.O. may require DIG's attention. The last post to T.O. was over 12
    hours ago.

    Thanks for setting this thread up, jillery. It gave us in the USA early advance
    warning (1:06 am, EDT). As of now, the downtime is past the 27 hour mark.

    I have often recommended to DIG that he use sci.bio.paleontology to
    let us know that he is aware that Beagle is down and to give us
    periodic updates [one a day is enough, IMO] on how soon he expects
    it to be back up.

    Alas, the last time I got any feedback from DIG was early in 2011.
    In particular, he seems oblivious to these recommendations.


    Peter Nyikos
    ###################################### end of post
    archived at https://groups.google.com/g/sci.bio.paleontology/c/LMJxcNgxcNg/m/lWYGHVQCBAAJ
    Re: ATTN: Those with a direct line to DIG
    Aug 14, 2023, 4:05:14 PM


    In past downtimes lasting this long, s.b.p. served as a kind of "talk.origins in exile."

    This time, only one talk.origins regular took full advantage of that status to start a new thread there:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.bio.paleontology/c/eNHv_1Ig3L8

    It was a good one, and partly *not* OT by the fact that sci.bio.evolution died of boredom
    about a decade ago. The new thread got a pair of scientifically based additions.


    Peter Nyikos
    The fact that DIG doesn't pay any attention to you reveals a wisdom many of us lack.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 17 16:21:08 2023
    [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:43:44 -0000 (UTC), David Greig
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying
    shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl
    shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >>> time and am now testposting

    --D.

    To give DIG the benefit of the doubt, he may have only noticed the
    problem a day before he posted this.

    Pedantically, it was down for over three days.

    Yes, and I think it is good for folks to know that we talked about it in sci.bio.paleontology
    almost the whole time, and some of what we wrote.

    In particular, anyone reading this might benefit from knowing that s.b.p. is completely
    independent of Beagle.


    But thanks to you,
    we're up and running again, so it's water over the dam.

    Except that we'll be just as frustrated as we were since late August 13
    if Beagle goes down again and DIG doesn't try to change his habits.

    I wrote about one way he might change them on the s.b.p. thread I mentioned just now.

    _____________________ repost ____________________________

    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:06:50 AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    T.O. may require DIG's attention. The last post to T.O. was over 12
    hours ago.

    Thanks for setting this thread up, jillery. It gave us in the USA early advance
    warning (1:06 am, EDT). As of now, the downtime is past the 27 hour mark.

    I have often recommended to DIG that he use sci.bio.paleontology to
    let us know that he is aware that Beagle is down and to give us
    periodic updates [one a day is enough, IMO] on how soon he expects
    it to be back up.

    Alas, the last time I got any feedback from DIG was early in 2011.
    In particular, he seems oblivious to these recommendations.

    That he still maintains the thing at all is a blessing. You’re pushing it a bit.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 17 10:30:18 2023
    On 2023-08-17 09:21, [email protected] wrote:

    Except that we'll be just as frustrated as we were since late August 13
    if Beagle goes down again and DIG doesn't try to change his habits.

    If it takes him a few days to solve a problem that's hardly the end of
    the world. If we were dealing with some sort of paid tech support
    company you might have a point, but DIG does this on a purely voluntary
    basis.

    André

    --
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    service.

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  • From Pro Plyd@21:1/5 to jillery on Thu Aug 17 14:18:58 2023
    jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:43:44 -0000 (UTC), David Greig <[email protected]> wrote:

    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >> time and am now testposting

    Pedantically, it was down for over three days. But thanks to you,
    we're up and running again, so it's water over the dam.
    On the third day, it was ... risen?

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  • From jillery@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 17 16:55:40 2023
    On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:18:58 -0600, Pro Plyd
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:43:44 -0000 (UTC), David Greig
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >>> time and am now testposting

    Pedantically, it was down for over three days. But thanks to you,
    we're up and running again, so it's water over the dam.
    On the third day, it was ... risen?


    Hallelujah!

    --
    To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 17 15:36:16 2023
    On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:21:08 +0000, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
    <[email protected]d>:

    [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 12:40:05?AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 19:43:44 -0000 (UTC), David Greig
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I lock innd from being upgraded automatically and some underlying
    shared library was updated, which broke the now-old innd binary (perl
    shlib actually, lol)

    So I unlocked it now, recompiled innd, re-chmod-4755'd inews for the N+1th >>>> time and am now testposting

    --D.

    To give DIG the benefit of the doubt, he may have only noticed the
    problem a day before he posted this.

    Pedantically, it was down for over three days.

    Yes, and I think it is good for folks to know that we talked about it in
    sci.bio.paleontology
    almost the whole time, and some of what we wrote.

    In particular, anyone reading this might benefit from knowing that s.b.p. is completely
    independent of Beagle.


    But thanks to you,
    we're up and running again, so it's water over the dam.

    Except that we'll be just as frustrated as we were since late August 13
    if Beagle goes down again and DIG doesn't try to change his habits.

    I wrote about one way he might change them on the s.b.p. thread I mentioned just now.

    _____________________ repost ____________________________

    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:06:50?AM UTC-4, jillery wrote:
    T.O. may require DIG's attention. The last post to T.O. was over 12
    hours ago.

    Thanks for setting this thread up, jillery. It gave us in the USA early advance
    warning (1:06 am, EDT). As of now, the downtime is past the 27 hour mark. >>
    I have often recommended to DIG that he use sci.bio.paleontology to
    let us know that he is aware that Beagle is down and to give us
    periodic updates [one a day is enough, IMO] on how soon he expects
    it to be back up.

    Alas, the last time I got any feedback from DIG was early in 2011.
    In particular, he seems oblivious to these recommendations.

    That he still maintains the thing at all is a blessing. You�re pushing it a >bit.

    A *bit*?!?

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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