Look at a clock.

No, NOT a digital clock! Look at a real clock,
a traditional clock with a round face and the
moving hands...

The clock strikes 12.

There. That's the climate. (It's a metafive no
I mean four. Metaphor. The clock is a
metaphor)

The clock strikes 12.

Now, every second, every minute that tics
by moves the hands further and further away
from 12... EVEN AS they move closer and
closer to striking 12 again.

This is the glacial/interglacial cycle, which
characterizes the planet's climate and will
continue to characterize it until the
Quaternary Period ends. And to do that, in
order to end it would require some pretty hefty
geoengineering.

We'd have to alter the currents, we'd have
to change the way the planet distributes
warmth from the sun. Energy, baby.

But that's your "Climate Model": A clock.

And it's accurate. Unlike Gwobull Warbling
models which have never ever predicted
anything in advance.

They're like Nostradamus "Predictions" or
"Postecies" as many of us like to call them.
Something WILL HAPPEN and only then,
only AFTER it has happened they start
shrieking and jumping up & down; "See?
See that? We were right!"

Here:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102074798

Back in 1988 he Maldives were going to be drowned
under rising sea levels in the next 30 years -- so by
the year 2018. That didn't happen. Their models
were proven dead wrong and the AGW propaganda
machine wasted no time:

https://therealnews.com/sea-level-rise-three-times-worse-previous-estimate

AGW PREDICTION: Maldives will drown under the
rising seas by 2018!

OBSERVED FACTS: 2018 has come & gone and the
Maldives are thriving.

CONCLUSION; "SEA LEVEL RISE IS WORSE THAN
WE THOUGHT!!!"

This is exactly how Nostradamus "Predictions"
work: Wait and see what eventually happens and
then take credit for it... no, wait. THIS IS WORSE!
This is waiting to see how things turned out and
STILL getting it wrong!

This is the furthest you can get from science. This
his faux "History" level crap -- right up there with
Pawn Stars and Ancient Aliens.









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On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT), JTEM wrote:

Look at a clock.

No, NOT a digital clock! Look at a real clock,
a traditional clock with a round face and the
moving hands...

The clock strikes 12.

There. That's the climate. (It's a metafive no
I mean four. Metaphor. The clock is a
metaphor)

The clock strikes 12.

Now, every second, every minute that tics
by moves the hands further and further away
from 12... EVEN AS they move closer and
closer to striking 12 again.

This is the glacial/interglacial cycle, which
characterizes the planet's climate and will
continue to characterize it until the
Quaternary Period ends. And to do that, in
order to end it would require some pretty hefty
geoengineering.

We'd have to alter the currents, we'd have
to change the way the planet distributes
warmth from the sun. Energy, baby.

But that's your "Climate Model": A clock.

And it's accurate. Unlike Gwobull Warbling
models which have never ever predicted
anything in advance.

They're like Nostradamus "Predictions" or
"Postecies" as many of us like to call them.
Something WILL HAPPEN and only then,
only AFTER it has happened they start
shrieking and jumping up & down; "See?
See that? We were right!"

Here:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102074798

Back in 1988 he Maldives were going to be drowned
under rising sea levels in the next 30 years -- so by
the year 2018. That didn't happen. Their models
were proven dead wrong and the AGW propaganda
machine wasted no time:

https://therealnews.com/sea-level-rise-three-times-worse-previous-estimate

AGW PREDICTION: Maldives will drown under the
rising seas by 2018!

OBSERVED FACTS: 2018 has come & gone and the
Maldives are thriving.

Cite.

CONCLUSION; "SEA LEVEL RISE IS WORSE THAN
WE THOUGHT!!!"

This is exactly how Nostradamus "Predictions"
work: Wait and see what eventually happens and
then take credit for it... no, wait. THIS IS WORSE!
This is waiting to see how things turned out and
STILL getting it wrong!

This is the furthest you can get from science. This
his faux "History" level crap -- right up there with
Pawn Stars and Ancient Aliens.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_the_Maldives> **************************************
Most people in the Maldives live on small, flat, densely populated
atolls that are threatened by violent storms or even the slightest sea
level rise. The capital Malé is especially threatened because it is on
a small, flat, extremely densely populated atoll that is surrounded by
sea walls, and other barriers to protect against storms. This means
the Malé atoll cannot change shape in response to rising sea levels
and is increasingly reliant on expensive engineering solutions.[8]

Climate change will also have significant implications for tourism in
the Maldives.[9]
**************************************


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jillery wrote:

AGW PREDICTION: Maldives will drown under the
rising seas by 2018!

OBSERVED FACTS: 2018 has come & gone and the
Maldives are thriving.

Cite.

CONCLUSION; "SEA LEVEL RISE IS WORSE THAN
WE THOUGHT!!!"

This is exactly how Nostradamus "Predictions"
work: Wait and see what eventually happens and
then take credit for it... no, wait. THIS IS WORSE!
This is waiting to see how things turned out and
STILL getting it wrong!

This is the furthest you can get from science. This
his faux "History" level crap -- right up there with
Pawn Stars and Ancient Aliens.

Most people in the Maldives live on

What is that twisted, disordered excuse for a mind thinking
that you're contradicting?

The Maldives were supposed to be destroyed by rising sea
level by the year 2018. The prediction was proven FALSE.
In actual science when your prediction is proven false then
your hypothesis -- AGW, in this case -- is rejected. But in
the media, what you obey as science, they double down!





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On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:45:47 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

jillery wrote:

AGW PREDICTION: Maldives will drown under the
rising seas by 2018!

OBSERVED FACTS: 2018 has come & gone and the
Maldives are thriving.

Cite.

CONCLUSION; "SEA LEVEL RISE IS WORSE THAN
WE THOUGHT!!!"

This is exactly how Nostradamus "Predictions"
work: Wait and see what eventually happens and
then take credit for it... no, wait. THIS IS WORSE!
This is waiting to see how things turned out and
STILL getting it wrong!

This is the furthest you can get from science. This
his faux "History" level crap -- right up there with
Pawn Stars and Ancient Aliens.

<cite restored>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_the_Maldives> **********************************

Most people in the Maldives live on

What is that twisted, disordered excuse for a mind thinking
that you're contradicting?

To refresh your convenient amnesia:

"OBSERVED FACTS: 2018 has come & gone and the
Maldives are thriving."

Cite how the Maldives are thriving.


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Mentally unhinged jillery wrote:

To refresh your convenient amnesia:
"OBSERVED FACTS: 2018 has come & gone and the
Maldives are thriving."

Cite how the Maldives are thriving.

Lol!

You're insane. You're literally insane. You don't even know WHAT
an argument is, never mind how to make one.

Google it. Look.

The Maldives were never destroyed by 2018. It's 2023. They're
thriving. They've been the recipient of massive foreign investment.

Google.




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On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 22:41:59 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled:

Mentally unhinged jillery wrote:

To refresh your convenient amnesia:
"OBSERVED FACTS: 2018 has come & gone and the
Maldives are thriving."

Cite how the Maldives are thriving.

Lol!

So you can't back up your own claim, and are proud of it. Quelle
surprise.

You're insane. You're literally insane. You don't even know WHAT
an argument is, never mind how to make one.

Google it. Look.

The Maldives were never destroyed by 2018. It's 2023. They're
thriving. They've been the recipient of massive foreign investment.

Google.

You first.


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Eats snot, jillery wrote:

So you can't back up your own claim, and

You're a raging narcissist.

Post your cites. You Googled it and found... what?

You're not asking for cites because you're curious. You're mentally
ill. You're trying desperately to fool yourself into believing that
you're not the waste product you know you are, and I'm here to
ensure you that, yes, you are a waste product.

#1: "The Maldives will be underwater by 2018"

#2: 2018 has come and gone, the Maldives are thriving, the
AGW hypothesis is falsified.

THIS IS HOW science works. A hypothesis is the basis for
predictions. These predictions are tests. Fail the test and the
hypothesis is falsified, discarded.

You don't know what science is. You have no clue how it
works or even WHY is exists. You parrot headlines.

Obediently.





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On Sunday, 23 July 2023 at 20:35:49 UTC+3, JTEM is my hero wrote:

Eats snot, jillery wrote:

So you can't back up your own claim, and

You're a raging narcissist.

Post your cites. You Googled it and found... what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise It says that
Scientists predict by 2100 sea level to raise 0.3 meters to 1.2 meters.
Cites to papers are in references section.

You're not asking for cites because you're curious. You're mentally
ill. You're trying desperately to fool yourself into believing that
you're not the waste product you know you are, and I'm here to
ensure you that, yes, you are a waste product.

#1: "The Maldives will be underwater by 2018"

Give the cite. Where are the projection models, where is the
paper, who are authors? What did they actually write? 2.4 meters
2018?

#2: 2018 has come and gone, the Maldives are thriving, the
AGW hypothesis is falsified.

THIS IS HOW science works. A hypothesis is the basis for
predictions. These predictions are tests. Fail the test and the
hypothesis is falsified, discarded.

You don't know what science is. You have no clue how it
works or even WHY is exists. You parrot headlines.

Obediently.

Why you have to post such imbecile noise instead of cite to
real papers?

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Öö Tiib wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise It says that
Scientists predict by 2100

What you're saying here -- the unstated or unenumerated portion
of your statement is -- that their past history of predictions, their
proven record of accuracy (inaccuracy) is of vital importance here.

Do you not grasp this?

Their "Predictions" only matter, we can only care if they have a
history of making accurate predictions WHICH THEY DON'T.

So let's ACCURATELY rephrase your words: "This nameless,
faceless entity which has never been anything but spectacularly
wrong about everything, these last 40 years, is now demanding
that we redraw our economy, redraw society and invent energy
poverty with highly regressive taxes, because of something that
never happened but they claim will happen in maybe 80 years."

And you think it's science?

You think you're acting rationally?

Honey, you're well trained, not well informed.




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On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 03:25:49 UTC+3, JTEM is my hero wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise It says that
Scientists predict by 2100

What you're saying here -- the unstated or unenumerated portion
of your statement is -- that their past history of predictions, their
proven record of accuracy (inaccuracy) is of vital importance here.

Do you not grasp this?

I do not grasp how you can't provide any cite. You don't have it?

Their "Predictions" only matter, we can only care if they have a
history of making accurate predictions WHICH THEY DON'T.

Scientists always estimate error range. But you do not cite the
odd paper where they didn't.
Are you denying unusual heatwaves hitting southern Europe, the US
and north Africa right now? That is like predicted 40 years ago.

So let's ACCURATELY rephrase your words: "This nameless,
faceless entity which has never been anything but spectacularly
wrong about everything, these last 40 years, is now demanding
that we redraw our economy, redraw society and invent energy
poverty with highly regressive taxes, because of something that
never happened but they claim will happen in maybe 80 years."

You misrepresent me. Your idea of accuracy?
Scientists always sign their papers and never demand anything.

And you think it's science?

You think you're acting rationally?

Honey, you're well trained, not well informed.

You are just denying apparent reality. It is happening how it
was predicted and it will anyway get about as much warmer
40 years later too.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

I do not grasp

NO. You don't. You don't grasp how when 40 solid years of
Gwobull Warbling predictions have been proven false, you
can't quote a prediction for the future as evidence for
anything but your own gullibility.

Go back. Read the initial post in this thread for the first
time.

You're asking for proof when the thread began with proof.

You're clueless.




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On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:32:43 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled yet another
self-parody:

Eats snot, jillery wrote:

So you can't back up your own claim, and

You're a raging narcissist.

Post your cites. You Googled it and found... what?

Since you asked, and once again I post the cite and quote you deleted: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_the_Maldives> **************************************
Most people in the Maldives live on small, flat, densely populated
atolls that are threatened by violent storms or even the slightest sea
level rise. The capital Malé is especially threatened because it is on
a small, flat, extremely densely populated atoll that is surrounded by
sea walls, and other barriers to protect against storms. This means
the Malé atoll cannot change shape in response to rising sea levels
and is increasingly reliant on expensive engineering solutions.[8]

Climate change will also have significant implications for tourism in
the Maldives.[9]
**************************************

You're not asking for cites because you're curious. You're mentally
ill. You're trying desperately to fool yourself into believing that
you're not the waste product you know you are, and I'm here to
ensure you that, yes, you are a waste product.

Yeah, I get that a lot from willfully stupid trolls.

#1: "The Maldives will be underwater by 2018"

#2: 2018 has come and gone, the Maldives are thriving, the
AGW hypothesis is falsified.

As my cite shows, the Maldives are NOT thriving, and continue to be
threatened by rising sea levels.

THIS IS HOW science works. A hypothesis is the basis for
predictions. These predictions are tests. Fail the test and the
hypothesis is falsified, discarded.

I agree that's how science works. Too bad for you that's not what you
do in your posts. Your repeatedly stated "hypothesis" is that the
Maldives are "thriving". They are not, by any reasonable meaning of
the word. So follow your own advice and discard your "hypothesis".

You don't know what science is. You have no clue how it
works or even WHY is exists. You parrot headlines.

Obediently.

And you're proud of being a willfully stupid troll.

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jillery wrote:

Since you asked, and once again I post the cite and quote you deleted:

You're fucked up. No, you are REALLY fucked up. You're not just stupid
you're mentally unhinged. And I'll point out why in this instance.

You cite establishes your agreement with me: The Maldives are still
there! You agree! Yes, you agree with me that 2018 has come and
gone, the Maldives are thriving and the "Climate Models" are all
bullshit.

The "Climate Prediction" was false and instead of saying, "Gee, we
screwed up. We WAY exaggerated everything" the media is pretending
that sea level rise is WORSE THAN THEY THOUGHT!

They thought the Maldives would be gone already, five years ago,
and they're not, and they're claiming that their predictions were too conservative!

So you're proving my point, But you're so goddamn stupid, so fucked
up that you believe you're contradicting me.

Again, I am never ever going to grow tired of rubbing your nose in the
stink, humiliating you for your stupidity.

You may want to try reading for comprehension and thinking before
reacting next time.





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On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 07:35:50 UTC+3, JTEM is my hero wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

I do not grasp

NO. You don't. You don't grasp how when 40 solid years of
Gwobull Warbling predictions have been proven false, you
can't quote a prediction for the future as evidence for
anything but your own gullibility.

You can not cite papers. I gave link with number of cites.

Go back. Read the initial post in this thread for the first
time.

Some newspaper claimed that "Mr. Hussain Shihab" said it
30 years ago. He does not represent science. "Mr." is not science
degree.
Look at the claim. 2.5 meters with 30 years? That is about 8 cm
(or 3 inches) per year? Lot of countries would work hard on
something like Dutch had to do because of their 4 mm / year.

You're asking for proof when the thread began with proof.

You're clueless.

The thread began with shitposting, sorry. It was clearly inspired by
fossil fuel burning industry propaganda. Whatever such political,
economical or religious propaganda tells I ask cites. If there are
none, then I don't believe them. Do you believe TV commercials
or something? Do not mirror your gullibility to me.

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On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 23:50:18 -0700 (PDT), JTEM continued to troll his self-parody:

jillery wrote:

Since you asked, and once again I post the cite and quote you deleted:

Once again you deleted the cite and quote. That suggests you know it
shows you're wrong and I'm right.

You're fucked up. No, you are REALLY fucked up. You're not just stupid
you're mentally unhinged. And I'll point out why in this instance.

You cite establishes your agreement with me: The Maldives are still
there! You agree! Yes, you agree with me that 2018 has come and
gone, the Maldives are thriving and the "Climate Models" are all
bullshit.

That the Maldives are "still there" is not in dispute. That the
Maldives are "thriving", that the Maldives are not threatened by
rising sea levels, are. Not sure how even you *still* don't
understand this.

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Öö Tiib wrote:

JTEM is my hero wrote:

You can not cite

The thread began with two cites.

You're a fucking idiot.

You just confessed to lacking reading comprehension and
retention.

AGAIN: The thread began with two cites.

The first one established that the "Climate models" predicted
the Maldives would be gone by 2018. The second established
that everything is a lie. It said that sea level was WORSE than
they thought!





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On Tuesday, 25 July 2023 at 19:00:52 UTC+3, JTEM is my hero wrote:

Öö Tiib wrote:

JTEM is my hero wrote:
You can not cite

The thread began with two cites.

These were not cites of science. Without publications all is garbage.

You're a fucking idiot.

Do not mirror.

You just confessed to lacking reading comprehension and
retention.

You can't provide cites to science.

AGAIN: The thread began with two cites.

The first one established that the "Climate models" predicted
the Maldives would be gone by 2018.

No cites to science there.

The second established
that everything is a lie. It said that sea level was WORSE than
they thought!

Can easily be, but no cites to science there either. You never seen
any scientific papers or just pretend being dumb?

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 08:58:40 -0700 (PDT), JTEM trolled more
self-parody:

Öö Tiib wrote:

JTEM is my hero wrote:

You can not cite

The thread began with two cites.

You're a fucking idiot.

You just confessed to lacking reading comprehension and
retention.

AGAIN: The thread began with two cites.

The first one established that the "Climate models" predicted
the Maldives would be gone by 2018. The second established
that everything is a lie. It said that sea level was WORSE than
they thought!

Posting unauthoritative cites establishes only your credulity. Also,
you keep conveniently forgetting your "thriving" hypothesis. Why is
that?

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Öö Tiib wrote:

AGAIN: The thread began with two cites.

The first one established that the "Climate models" predicted
the Maldives would be gone by 2018.

No cites to

You're in free fall fantasy.

Two cites. The first to established what was claimed, the second
to established that the propaganda doubled down, it's telling you
morons that sea level rise was WORSE than they thought, not
better.

"Oh no, the Maldives weren't under a foot of water but now they're
not under three feet of water! That's worse than we thought!"

Why are you even in a science group? This isn't helping your
narcissism, being beaten like a red headed stepchild like this.

Test ideas. Investigate.





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Sick. Demented. jillery wrote:

AGAIN: The thread began with two cites.

The first one established that the "Climate models" predicted
the Maldives would be gone by 2018. The second established
that everything is a lie. It said that sea level was WORSE than
they thought!

Posting

You're a waste product, a lost cause. Your disordered cage that
you pretend is a mind won't allow you to do anything but shitpost.

Don't worry, you can always switch handles and pretend that
you're popular... like you always do.





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