From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

Ron O has undergone an even more drastic metamorphosis since December. One stage
of it is mentioned in the second reply I did to him on the original thread.

[I have changed the Subject for this thread, which Google Groups treats as part of the original.
GG has metamorphosed by no longer informing readers about changes in subject line.]

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:30:41 AM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:14:44 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 5:40:39?AM UTC-4, 嘱 Tiib wrote:

[...]

It is clearly jillery who mentions phrase "Killfiles are your friends" more
than anyone else. IOW spams about it.

FTR, the word "spams" is inappropriate in this kind of context. Strictly speaking, "spam" is
unwanted advertising.

So speaks the person who regularly tries to redefine words

Rash judgment ("regularly") noted. You only give a false example below.

I gave the definition of "spam" with which I was familiar, from over a decade ago,
from posts by others on talk.abortion and talk.origins.
I have understood it to be the formal definition until now.

I wasn't aware of other definitions, but your taunt motivated me to look up the definition
in the of Merriam-Webster online dictionary. Unfortuately, it is too ambiguous to
be suitable for Usenet groups.

Do YOU have a definition of "spam" in the context of jillery's and Öö Tiib's use of the word?

to suit himself as in your feeble attempt to redefine "agnostic"

I am one in every accepted definition of the word. Can you dispute this
in a reasoned way?

I should add that I am only agnostic in the intellectual sense. I wish very much for the Christian image of God given by C.S. Lewis to be true.
It's just that the evidence for it is slim, as there is evidence in the opposite direction.

to accommodate your lies about me.

You are accusing me of a motivation for my use of the word "agnostic" which is nonexistent.
You are thereby guilty of rash judgment.

If your teachers in Catholic school didn't explain how rash judgment
violates the commandment against bearing false witness, they were
substandard in their teaching of one of the most important parts of morality.

[...]

You don't seem to care about the damage that spam in the sense
has wrought in two science newsgroups. You could have left in what
I wrote, uncommented on.

Since this is a new thread for some newsreaders, here is the data for
the rest of the post to which you are replying.

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/ovJitGN1A6w/m/bFuMxKkvAgAJ
Re: Frozen Planet II
Mar 27, 2023, 10:15:40 PM


Peter Nyikos

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

Ron O has undergone an even more drastic metamorphosis since December. One stage
of it is mentioned in the second reply I did to him on the original thread.

[I have changed the Subject for this thread, which Google Groups treats as part of the original.
GG has metamorphosed by no longer informing readers about changes in subject line.]

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:30:41?AM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:14:44 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 5:40:39?AM UTC-4, ? Tiib wrote:

[...]

It is clearly jillery who mentions phrase "Killfiles are your friends" more
than anyone else. IOW spams about it.

FTR, the word "spams" is inappropriate in this kind of context. Strictly speaking, "spam" is
unwanted advertising.

So speaks the person who regularly tries to redefine words

Rash judgment ("regularly") noted. You only give a false example below.

I gave the definition of "spam" with which I was familiar, from over a decade ago,
from posts by others on talk.abortion and talk.origins.
I have understood it to be the formal definition until now.

I wasn't aware of other definitions, but your taunt motivated me to look up the definition
in the of Merriam-Webster online dictionary. Unfortuately, it is too ambiguous to
be suitable for Usenet groups.

Do YOU have a definition of "spam" in the context of jillery's and �� Tiib's >use of the word?

to suit himself as in your feeble attempt to redefine "agnostic"

Apologies, that was a typo, should have been your feeble attempt to
redefine "apostate".

I am one in every accepted definition of the word. Can you dispute this
in a reasoned way?

I should add that I am only agnostic in the intellectual sense. I wish very >much for the Christian image of God given by C.S. Lewis to be true.
It's just that the evidence for it is slim, as there is evidence in the >opposite direction.

to accommodate your lies about me.

You are accusing me of a motivation for my use of the word "agnostic" which is nonexistent.
You are thereby guilty of rash judgment.

If your teachers in Catholic school didn't explain how rash judgment
violates the commandment against bearing false witness, they were
substandard in their teaching of one of the most important parts of morality.

[...]

You don't seem to care about the damage that spam in the sense
has wrought in two science newsgroups. You could have left in what
I wrote, uncommented on.

Since this is a new thread for some newsreaders, here is the data for
the rest of the post to which you are replying.

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/ovJitGN1A6w/m/bFuMxKkvAgAJ
Re: Frozen Planet II
Mar 27, 2023, 10:15:40?PM

Peter Nyikos

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On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41 PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that follows is baseless and in the same spirit
as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O.


I left in everything below, since you might want to comment on it now,
with the failure of your two-line gambit. Evidently you didn't realize that
the lines to which you were responding were not a complaint, but a FTR & FYO description to t.o. participants and lurkers of your changing *modus* *operandi*.


Peter Nyikos

Ron O has undergone an even more drastic metamorphosis since December. One stage
of it is mentioned in the second reply I did to him on the original thread.

[I have changed the Subject for this thread, which Google Groups treats as part of the original.
GG has metamorphosed by no longer informing readers about changes in subject line.]

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:30:41?AM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:14:44 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 5:40:39?AM UTC-4, ? Tiib wrote:

[...]

It is clearly jillery who mentions phrase "Killfiles are your friends" more
than anyone else. IOW spams about it.

FTR, the word "spams" is inappropriate in this kind of context. Strictly speaking, "spam" is
unwanted advertising.

So speaks the person who regularly tries to redefine words

Rash judgment ("regularly") noted. You only give a false example below.

I gave the definition of "spam" with which I was familiar, from over a decade ago,
from posts by others on talk.abortion and talk.origins.
I have understood it to be the formal definition until now.

I wasn't aware of other definitions, but your taunt motivated me to look up the definition
in the of Merriam-Webster online dictionary. Unfortuately, it is too ambiguous to
be suitable for Usenet groups.

Do YOU have a definition of "spam" in the context of jillery's and 嘱 Tiib's
use of the word?

to suit himself as in your feeble attempt to redefine "agnostic"

Apologies, that was a typo, should have been your feeble attempt to
redefine "apostate".

I am one in every accepted definition of the word. Can you dispute this
in a reasoned way?

I should add that I am only agnostic in the intellectual sense. I wish very >much for the Christian image of God given by C.S. Lewis to be true.
It's just that the evidence for it is slim, as there is evidence in the >opposite direction.

to accommodate your lies about me.

You are accusing me of a motivation for my use of the word "agnostic" which is nonexistent.
You are thereby guilty of rash judgment.

If your teachers in Catholic school didn't explain how rash judgment >violates the commandment against bearing false witness, they were >substandard in their teaching of one of the most important parts of morality.

[...]

You don't seem to care about the damage that spam in the sense
has wrought in two science newsgroups. You could have left in what
I wrote, uncommented on.

Since this is a new thread for some newsreaders, here is the data for
the rest of the post to which you are replying.

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/ovJitGN1A6w/m/bFuMxKkvAgAJ
Re: Frozen Planet II
Mar 27, 2023, 10:15:40?PM

Peter Nyikos

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 13:31:28 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41?PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that follows is baseless and in the same spirit
as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

For something you don't care about, you do an inordinate amount of
whining about it.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O.

You're certainly a legend in your own mind.

I left in everything below, since you might want to comment on it now,
with the failure of your two-line gambit. Evidently you didn't realize that >the lines to which you were responding were not a complaint, but a FTR & FYO >description to t.o. participants and lurkers of your changing *modus* *operandi*.

[...]

And still no attempt to back up or withdraw your lies about me. Don't
worry, I will remind you next week about all this evidence you said
you would produce.

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On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:35:41 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41 PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that follows is baseless and in the same spirit
as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O.

And more humble.

It's a humility all should aspire to that allows a person to not over-react
to the idle slings and arrows of people whose opinions you don't find
to be especially credible. It's a humility that is not so desperate for
praise that it warps into an obsession over those superfluous sleights.
Your example is one that all should consider in moderating their own
behavior.

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 23:31:34 +0000, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<[email protected]d>:

Lawyer Daggett <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:35:41?PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: >>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41?PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that follows is baseless and in the same spirit
as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O. >>

And more humble.

It's a humility all should aspire to that allows a person to not over-react >> to the idle slings and arrows of people whose opinions you don't find
to be especially credible. It's a humility that is not so desperate for
praise that it warps into an obsession over those superfluous sleights.
Your example is one that all should consider in moderating their own
behavior.

I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm
in your reply.

Nor do I. Of course, when sarcasm is *all* there is...

--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

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Lawyer Daggett <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:35:41 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41 PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that follows is baseless and in the same spirit
as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O.

And more humble.

It's a humility all should aspire to that allows a person to not over-react to the idle slings and arrows of people whose opinions you don't find
to be especially credible. It's a humility that is not so desperate for praise that it warps into an obsession over those superfluous sleights.
Your example is one that all should consider in moderating their own behavior.

I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm
in your reply.

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On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 7:35:41 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm in your reply.

Some spend their young lives hoping to be understood. With age,
being truly understood can turn into a fear.

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On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 7:35:41 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Lawyer Daggett <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:35:41 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41 PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote: >>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"

<[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that follows is baseless and in the same spirit
as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O.

And more humble.

It's a humility all should aspire to that allows a person to not over-react
to the idle slings and arrows of people whose opinions you don't find
to be especially credible. It's a humility that is not so desperate for praise that it warps into an obsession over those superfluous sleights. Your example is one that all should consider in moderating their own behavior.

I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm in your reply.

Perhaps, when Lawyer Daggett said what he did above, he had my abdication
as the Chez Watt organizer last autumn at the back of his mind. I turned the reins over to Mark Isaak,
expressing the hope that he could bring to the role a lightheartedness that had been
sorely lacking with me at the helm. Lawyer Daggett voiced appreciation of this change,
and I think Mark did succeed in fulfilling my hope, but YMMV.


Peter Nyikos

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 16:57:04 +0100, Martin Harran
<[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]" ><[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

Based on Harran's compulsive comments about jillery, the comment above
is almost certainly incorrect and likely deliberately deceptive.


--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 23:31:34 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<[email protected]d> wrote:

Lawyer Daggett <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:35:41?PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: >>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41?PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that follows is baseless and in the same spirit
as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O. >>

And more humble.

It's a humility all should aspire to that allows a person to not over-react >> to the idle slings and arrows of people whose opinions you don't find
to be especially credible. It's a humility that is not so desperate for
praise that it warps into an obsession over those superfluous sleights.
Your example is one that all should consider in moderating their own
behavior.

I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm
in your reply.

Consider willful blindness and/or deafness.

--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

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jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 23:31:34 +0000, *Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote:

Lawyer Daggett <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:35:41?PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41?PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"

<[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do
not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that

follows is baseless and in the same spirit

as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies -
then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O. >>>

And more humble.

It's a humility all should aspire to that allows a person to not over-react >>> to the idle slings and arrows of people whose opinions you don't find
to be especially credible. It's a humility that is not so desperate for
praise that it warps into an obsession over those superfluous sleights.
Your example is one that all should consider in moderating their own
behavior.

I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm >> in your reply.

Consider willful blindness and/or deafness.

Peter was quite civil to me recently on this thread. You might consider following his lead. You are just plain rude and obnoxious.

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On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 7:55:41 PM UTC-4, Lawyer Daggett wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 7:35:41 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm in your reply.

Some spend their young lives hoping to be understood. With age,
being truly understood can turn into a fear.

I am impressed by the way you have changed in the months that I was away,
but this statement made the awful thought go through my mind that you had learned about a medical condition that would shorten your life dramatically.

Remember El Cid? He died of pancreatic cancer in January of 2011, only about
a month after I returned to talk.origins. He was, AFAIK, the best biochemist on talk.origins
with whom to discuss the later stages of abiogenesis.

Your erstwhile attitude towards me seemed to rule out discussing this with you, despite your evident knowledge of biochemistry; but now I hope we can
discuss what seems to be the biggest hurdle on the way to life as we know it.

This is the protein takeover, which has a Catch-22 feature that seems to make earth alone in the galaxy, or perhaps the universe, to develop protein-based life
as complicated as our own.

If you are willing to discuss this with me, I will start a thread on it early next week.


Peter Nyikos

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On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:02:36 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<[email protected]d> wrote:

jillery <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 23:31:34 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<[email protected]d> wrote:

Lawyer Daggett <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:35:41?PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:00:41?PM UTC-4, Martin Harran wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"

<[email protected]> wrote:

From ignoring me to the same extent as he ignores jillery, Martin has metamorphosed
first into someone who attacks me whenever I respond to him, and now to someone
who takes pot shots at me when I reply to others in posts that do >>>>>>> not even mention him.

The first clause of your two-liner that

follows is baseless and in the same spirit

as Ron O's false claims about me on the original subject line.

Withdraw your existing lies about me and don't post any more lies - >>>>>> then you'll never hear from me again.

I couldn't care less whether I hear from you again or not.

I am more resilient than most people here, especially that crybaby Ron O.

And more humble.

It's a humility all should aspire to that allows a person to not over-react
to the idle slings and arrows of people whose opinions you don't find
to be especially credible. It's a humility that is not so desperate for >>>> praise that it warps into an obsession over those superfluous sleights. >>>> Your example is one that all should consider in moderating their own
behavior.

I find it commendable that I fail to detect the slightest trace of sarcasm >>> in your reply.

Consider willful blindness and/or deafness.

Peter was quite civil to me recently on this thread. You might consider >following his lead. You are just plain rude and obnoxious.

You think my comment above is rude and obnoxious? While apparently
you think your "thanks Karen" is "quite civil"? Instead of acting
like you're the victim, consider at least acknowledging my point
*before* you post your pointless personal attacks.

--
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

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