• Appeal judges voice doubts about ruling on transgender "..woman's.." ad

    From Leroy N. Soetoro@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 16 02:59:59 2024
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/appeal-judges-voice-doubts-about-ruling- on-transgender-woman-s-admission-into-wyoming-sorority/ar-BB1mldE3

    DENVER (AP) � Federal appellate court judges expressed doubt Tuesday about whether they could rule on a transgender woman's admission into a
    University of Wyoming sorority or if a lower court should continue to hear
    the case.

    The admission of Artemis Langford into the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority
    prompted a lawsuit from six other sorority members last year. After
    hearing from both sides in the case, the three-judge U.S. 10th Circuit
    Court of Appeals took the arguments under advisement without ruling.

    The case at Wyoming�s only four-year public university has drawn
    widespread attention as transgender people fight for more acceptance in schools, athletics, workplaces and elsewhere, while others push back.
    In their lawsuit, the six current and former members of the Kappa Kappa
    Gamma sorority chapter in Laramie, Wyoming, challenge Langford�s admission
    by casting doubt on whether sorority rules allowed a transgender woman.

    An attorney for the sorority sisters told the judges Tuesday the national sorority council was unfair to sorority members by changing who could
    belong. However, the bulk of the judges' questions and remarks to
    attorneys focused on whether the case was even ripe for appeal.

    Last summer, U.S. District Judge Alan Johnson in Cheyenne dismissed the
    case without prejudice in a ruling that suggested the lawsuit could be
    refiled in his court. That alone should forestall appeal, attorneys for
    the Ohio-based sorority argue in court documents.

    Appellate Judge Carolyn McHugh expressed openness to that argument.

    �It seems to me it's not final,� McHugh told the sorority sisters'
    attorney, May Mailman, at the outset of Tuesday's oral arguments.

    Mailman told the judges the case was sufficiently resolved in district
    court to allow appeal. But appellate Judge Richard Federico voiced similar doubts.

    �The district court is offering you a lifeline,� he told Mailman.

    Mailman argued that by allowing transgender women into the chapter at the university, the national sorority council and president violated their obligation to sorority members to faithfully follow sorority bylaws. State
    law in Ohio, however, gives the volunteer board for the private, Ohio-
    based organization wide leeway to define terms in those bylaws, including
    who's a woman, argued Kappa Kappa Gamma attorney Natalie McLaughlin.

    A court may get involved only if such an interpretation is unreasonable or arbitrary but that wasn't the case, McLaughlin added.

    The arguments drew a handful of demonstrators outside the federal
    courthouse holding signs that read �Save Sisterhood� and �Women have the
    right to women's only spaces.�

    �We shouldn't have to say 'Here's why I need my women's space.' Women's
    spaces should be protected, period,� Mailman said at a news conference
    after the arguments.

    The argument that a court should be able to tell a private organization
    how to define a woman flies in the face of conservative skepticism about
    big government, the Wyoming LGBTQ+ advocacy group Wyoming Equality said in
    a statement.

    �They are arguing against the right of organizations to determine their
    own membership,� Director Sara Burlingame said. �I am optimistic that the
    10th Circuit will agree with Judge Johnson.�

    The sorority sisters' lawsuit against Kappa Kappa Gamma and its president,
    Mary Pat Rooney, claimed Langford made them feel uncomfortable in the
    sorority house. Langford has been dropped from the lawsuit on appeal.


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  • From Danart@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 16 22:07:45 2024
    Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/appeal-judges-voice-doubts-about-ruling-
    on-transgender-woman-s-admission-into-wyoming-sorority/ar-BB1mldE3

    DENVER (AP) � Federal appellate court judges expressed doubt
    Tuesday about
    whether they could rule on a transgender woman's admission into a
    University of Wyoming sorority or if a lower court should continue
    to hear
    the case.

    The admission of Artemis Langford into the Kappa Kappa Gamma
    sorority
    prompted a lawsuit from six other sorority members last year. After

    hearing from both sides in the case, the three-judge U.S. 10th
    Circuit
    Court of Appeals took the arguments under advisement without
    ruling.

    The case at Wyoming�s only four-year public university has drawn
    widespread attention as transgender people fight for more
    acceptance in
    schools, athletics, workplaces and elsewhere, while others push
    back.
    In their lawsuit, the six current and former members of the Kappa
    Kappa
    Gamma sorority chapter in Laramie, Wyoming, challenge Langford�s
    admission
    by casting doubt on whether sorority rules allowed a transgender
    woman.

    An attorney for the sorority sisters told the judges Tuesday the
    national
    sorority council was unfair to sorority members by changing who
    could
    belong. However, the bulk of the judges' questions and remarks to
    attorneys focused on whether the case was even ripe for appeal.

    Last summer, U.S. District Judge Alan Johnson in Cheyenne dismissed
    the
    case without prejudice in a ruling that suggested the lawsuit could
    be
    refiled in his court. That alone should forestall appeal, attorneys
    for
    the Ohio-based sorority argue in court documents.

    Appellate Judge Carolyn McHugh expressed openness to that argument.

    �It seems to me it's not final,� McHugh told the sorority sisters'
    attorney, May Mailman, at the outset of Tuesday's oral arguments.

    Mailman told the judges the case was sufficiently resolved in
    district
    court to allow appeal. But appellate Judge Richard Federico voiced
    similar
    doubts.

    �The district court is offering you a lifeline,� he told Mailman.

    Mailman argued that by allowing transgender women into the chapter
    at the
    university, the national sorority council and president violated
    their
    obligation to sorority members to faithfully follow sorority
    bylaws. State
    law in Ohio, however, gives the volunteer board for the private,
    Ohio-
    based organization wide leeway to define terms in those bylaws,
    including
    who's a woman, argued Kappa Kappa Gamma attorney Natalie
    McLaughlin.

    A court may get involved only if such an interpretation is
    unreasonable or
    arbitrary but that wasn't the case, McLaughlin added.

    The arguments drew a handful of demonstrators outside the federal
    courthouse holding signs that read �Save Sisterhood� and �Women
    have the
    right to women's only spaces.�

    �We shouldn't have to say 'Here's why I need my women's space.'
    Women's
    spaces should be protected, period,� Mailman said at a news
    conference
    after the arguments.

    The argument that a court should be able to tell a private
    organization
    how to define a woman flies in the face of conservative skepticism
    about
    big government, the Wyoming LGBTQ+ advocacy group Wyoming Equality
    said in
    a statement.

    �They are arguing against the right of organizations to determine
    their
    own membership,� Director Sara Burlingame said. �I am optimistic
    that the
    10th Circuit will agree with Judge Johnson.�

    The sorority sisters' lawsuit against Kappa Kappa Gamma and its
    president,
    Mary Pat Rooney, claimed Langford made them feel uncomfortable in
    the
    sorority house. Langford has been dropped from the lawsuit on
    appeal.


    --
    We live in a time where intelligent people are being silenced so
    that
    stupid people won't be offended.

    Durham Report: The FBI has an integrity problem. It has none.

    No collusion - Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III, March 2019.

    Officially made Nancy Pelosi a two-time impeachment loser.

    Thank you for cleaning up the disaster of the 2008-2017 Obama /
    Biden
    fiasco, President Trump.

    Under Barack Obama's leadership, the United States of America
    became the
    The World According To Garp. Obama sold out heterosexuals for
    Hollywood
    queer liberal democrat donors.

    President Trump boosted the economy, reduced illegal invasions,
    appointed
    dozens of judges and three SCOTUS justices.

    Your not a woman
    or man unless your born with all the parts. You can graft those parts
    on, or even take special pills but that does not mean you are
    something. Only a man has sperm cells he produces that could function
    from even when he was nine years old into the nineties. Only woman
    could produce eggs ( which she has in her since birth ) and the Uterus
    made specifically for nesting an egg that has been fertilized.

    Case closed stop convincing twelve year old young men to cut off their
    penises, and girls to take special pills. It is robbing peoples of the
    ability to accept who they are.


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