• Harry And Meghan vs "The Firm"

    From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 14:55:44 2022
    Hmmmmmmm...

    Sibling Rivalry Run Amuck?

    It's not as if this has never happened before:

    Consider:

    1. The Sons of Henry II.

    2. The Sons of Edward III.

    3. Edward VIII and George VI

    Three Key Questions:

    1. Is Harry, Duke of Sussex, P-Whipped?

    2. Does Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, Wonder, "Why Am I Not Bigger Than Oprah?"

    3. Who Is Harry, Duke of Sussex's Real Father?

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Dec 7 11:01:02 2022
    On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 14:55:44 -0800 (PST), "D. Spencer Hines"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Hmmmmmmm...

    Sibling Rivalry Run Amuck?

    It's not as if this has never happened before:

    Consider:

    1. The Sons of Henry II.

    2. The Sons of Edward III.

    3. Edward VIII and George VI

    Three Key Questions:

    1. Is Harry, Duke of Sussex, P-Whipped?

    2. Does Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, Wonder, "Why Am I Not Bigger Than Oprah?"

    3. Who Is Harry, Duke of Sussex's Real Father?

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Let the DNA geneticists run amuck though the tombs in Westminster
    Abbey and see who's who.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Tue Dec 6 20:56:55 2022
    On Wed, 07 Dec 2022 11:01:02 +1100, Peter Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

    Let the DNA geneticists run amuck though the tombs in Westminster
    Abbey and see who's who.

    I don't know about Westminster Abbey but in 2016 I did the tour at the
    The Chapel Royal of St Peter ad Vincula (this is the chapel of
    theTower of London where of course a lot more people died than at
    Westminster Abbey) and the tour guide was pleased to announce that
    during the previous year they had through DNA evidence definitely
    identified the remains of Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard who were
    executed there (they didn't say whether they meant the whole skeleton
    or just from the head down which is relevant since both were beheaded
    and the heads also buried at the chapel)

    They also said even without detached skulls it was easy to tell high
    nobility from Tower of London staff who died there since none of the
    nobility showed any sign of previous periods of malnutrition (even for
    a short period) whereas the commoners weren't normally badly
    malnourished but had showed signs of short periods of malnutrition.

    Obviously Westminster Abbey DOES have human remains from the Tudor era
    since both Queen Mary I and Elizabeth I are buried there - in the same
    tomb actually. (Both of which being no more than 10-15' from the
    stained glass window honoring the WW2 RAF - which apparently was the
    first major post-WW2 memorial at the Abbey and something Churchill and
    Attlee was a top priority as soon as the war was over - it was
    completed in 1947)

    (No I do not have an encyclopedic memory - just I remember tour guides
    and signs and both the Tudor sarcophagus and the RAF memorial are two
    of the most prominent memorials in the Abbey)

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to D. Spencer Hines on Thu Dec 8 08:07:52 2022
    On 12/6/22 14:55, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Hmmmmmmm...

    Sibling Rivalry Run Amuck?
    It's not as if this has never happened before:


    Well, yes it has happened before.
    But that was before the world press all turned to
    protect whistle blowing mud slingers. And basically
    willing to attack and condemn anyone with either
    power or wealth.
    In the old days, in an effort to enrich themselves
    by throwing dirt at the whole family, there was
    a serious price to be paid. Dungeon, or headless.
    Oh well, it's a new world.

    Interesting that those two shit stirrers left
    the UK, and skipped through Canada, to settle
    in POTUS Trump's US.

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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 8 11:51:11 2022
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:07:54 AM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:
    On 12/6/22 14:55, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Hmmmmmmm...

    Sibling Rivalry Run Amuck?
    It's not as if this has never happened before:

    Well, yes it has happened before.
    But that was before the world press all turned to
    protect whistle blowing mud slingers. And basically
    willing to attack and condemn anyone with either
    power or wealth.
    In the old days, in an effort to enrich themselves
    by throwing dirt at the whole family, there was
    a serious price to be paid. Dungeon, or headless.


    In a Punch cartoon, decades ago, a man being led off to execution is holding a sign:

    "Bring back drowning in Malmsey"

    William Hyde

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Thu Dec 8 14:25:14 2022
    On 12/8/22 11:51, William Hyde wrote:
    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:07:54 AM UTC-5, a425couple wrote:
    On 12/6/22 14:55, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Hmmmmmmm...

    Sibling Rivalry Run Amuck?
    It's not as if this has never happened before:

    Well, yes it has happened before.
    But that was before the world press all turned to
    protect whistle blowing mud slingers. And basically
    willing to attack and condemn anyone with either
    power or wealth.
    In the old days, in an effort to enrich themselves
    by throwing dirt at the whole family, there was
    a serious price to be paid. Dungeon, or headless.


    In a Punch cartoon, decades ago, a man being led off to execution is holding a sign:

    "Bring back drowning in Malmsey"

    William Hyde

    OK, I looked it up:
    bout 15,700 results (0.59 seconds)

    History's strangest deaths - The Duke of Clarence drowned in ... https://thecrownchronicles.co.uk › history › history-posts
    Feb 18, 2017 — In Shakespeare's 'Richard III', George is stabbed and
    then drowned in a butt (large vat) of Malmsey wine, which may be where
    this story comes ...

    What Led to George, Duke of Clarence's Execution by Wine? https://www.historyhit.com › Articles › Medieval
    Dec 14, 2020 — George Plantagenet 1st Duke of Clarence - rumoured to
    have been drowned in a vat of malmsey wine. (Image Credit: Alamy
    SOTK2011 / C7H8AH).
    Date of death: 18 February 1478

    People also ask
    Who drowned in a barrel of wine in Shakespeare?
    The Execution of a Duke
    On 18 February 1478, aged 28, George, Duke of Clarence, brother to the
    King of England, was executed. A tradition has grown up that George was
    drowned in a vat a malmsey, an expensive sweet wine.Dec 14, 2020

    What Led to George, Duke of Clarence's Execution by Wine?

    What happened to the Duke of Clarence?
    The Duke forfeited his title in 1478, after he had been convicted of
    treason against his brother. He allegedly met his end by being drowned
    in a butt of Malmsey (according to William Shakespeare).


    Brewer's: Drowned in a Butt of Malmsey - Infoplease
    https://www.infoplease.com › dictionary › brewers › dr...
    George, Duke of Clarence, being allowed to choose by what death he would
    die, chose drowning in malmsey wine (1477). See the continuation of
    Monstrelet, ...

    and here: https://historytheinterestingbits.com/2018/02/17/guest-post-george-duke-of-clarence-and-the-infamous-butt-of-malmsey-wine-by-toni-mount/

    is a more complete story.

    Guest Post: George, Duke of Clarence and the infamous ‘butt of Malmsey wine’ by Toni Mount
    17/02/2018Sharon Bennett Connolly


    It is a pleasure to welcome Toni Mount to the blog, for Day 5 of her
    Blog Tour for the launch of The Colour of Murder this month.

    The Colour of Murder is the latest whodunit in the popular ‘Sebastian Foxley’ series of medieval murder mysteries by author and historian Toni Mount.

    George, Duke of Clarence and the infamous ‘butt of Malmsey wine’.
    540 years ago, on the 18th February 1478 the Duke of Clarence was,
    famously, drowned in a butt of malmsey wine. Did he jump or was he
    pushed? The question has never been answered, so this was an opportunity
    for the intrepid investigator Seb Foxley – to finally solve the mystery.

    On this day, 18th February 1478, news was leaked that the brother of
    King Edward IV, George, Duke of Clarence, had somehow managed to drown
    in a butt of malmsey wine. Did he fall or was he pushed? A contemporary chronicler, who otherwise seems very well informed, could only write: ‘…
    a few days after the execution, whatever its nature may have been, took
    place … in the Tower of London…’

    From the Croyland Chronicle, c. 1486, pp.479-80:

    George of Clarence had never been very reliable nor faithful to King
    Edward, his elder brother. When his beloved wife, Isabella Neville, died
    soon after giving birth, probably of childbed fever, George was
    convinced that a lady-in-waiting, Ankarette Twynyho, had poisoned her.
    He tried Ankarette in a rigged court and arranged her execution. King
    Edward decided George had gone too far this time, taking the law into
    his own hands. Then George became involved in a further plot to dethrone Edward. Matters deteriorated when he accused the Edward’s queen,
    Elizabeth Woodville, of witchcraft, saying she was behind the death of
    his wife. Finally, the king lost patience and George was imprisoned in
    the Tower of London in the summer of 1477.

    Brought to trial before Parliament, only the king gave evidence against
    George, listing all his earlier mercies to him, how he had pardoned him
    for previous acts of treachery and showered titles and riches on him,
    only to receive ingratitude and further treachery in return. Meanwhile
    George had spread rumours that the king was a bastard with no right to
    wear the crown, practising necromancy and poisoning those who displeased
    him.

    Parliament sat in embarrassed silence as the king and his brother
    accused each other, shouting and arguing in a most unseemly and vulgar
    display. But the eventual outcome was never going to be in doubt:
    Parliament found in the king’s favour, George was guilty of high treason
    and sentenced to death. He was returned to the Tower of London while the
    king wrestled with his conscience over signing his brother’s death
    warrant until the Speaker of the House intervened, demanding that
    sentence be carried out. George, Duke of Clarence, was executed
    privately in the Tower of London, spared the ignominy of a public beheading.

    However, an execution behind closed doors soon caused rumours to spread
    that Clarence had been drowned in a butt of malmsey wine. A butt is a
    large barrel and an imperial measure of one hundred gallons – more than enough to drown in, but the story is almost certainly a later invention. Perhaps George was partial to the sweet white wine, so the tale was an
    ironic joke. It has been suggested, perhaps not seriously, that George
    was allowed to choose his manner of death, or even that a ‘well-wisher’, wanting to spare the king the grief of committing fratricide, sent
    Clarence a gift of wine, laced with poison. We will probably never know
    the truth.

    About the author
    Toni Mount is a popular writer and historian; she is the author of
    Everyday Life in Medieval London and A Year in the Life of Medieval
    England (pub Amberley Publishing) and several of the online courses for http://www.medievalCourses.com

    Her successful ‘Sebastian Foxley’ series of medieval whodunits is
    published by MadeGlobal.com and the latest book in this series The
    Colour of Murder is now available as a paperback or on Kindle. http://getbook.at/colour_of_murder

    If you would like to follow the rest of Toni’s blog tour, just click on
    the links below:

    26/1/18 – Digitalis & Other Plant Poisons in Medieval Times – www.thewarsoftherosescatalogue.com/ c/o Debra Bayani

    3/2/18 Author Interview – The Review – www.thereview2014.blogspot.com
    c/o Diana Milne

    10/2/18 Royal Witchcraft – www.onthetudortrail.com c/o Natalie Grueninger –

    17/2/18 George Duke of Clarence – www.historytheinterestingbits.com c/o Sharon Bennett Connolly

    24/2/18 Bedlam Hospital www.theanneboleynfiles.com c/o Claire Ridgeway
    *

    My Book:
    Heroines of the Medieval World, is now available in hardback in the UK
    from both Amberley Publishing and Amazon UK and worldwide from Book
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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 11:28:31 2022
    D. Spencer Hines

    1. Is Harry, Duke of Sussex, P-Whipped?

    Is there any doubt? Shame, because he was the cool brother.

    2. Does Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, Wonder, "Why Am I Not Bigger Than Oprah?"

    She's the definition of gold digger.

    3. Who Is Harry, Duke of Sussex's Real Father?

    Isn't the rumor that Diana had an affair with some Royal airforce guy?

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to D. Spencer Hines on Mon Dec 12 15:49:06 2022
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 1:30:29 PM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:28:33 AM UTC-10, Ed Stasiak wrote:
    D. Spencer Hines

    1. Is Harry, Duke of Sussex, P-Whipped?
    Is there any doubt? Shame, because he was the cool brother.
    2. Does Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, Wonder, "Why Am I Not Bigger Than Oprah?"
    She's the definition of gold digger.
    3. Who Is Harry, Duke of Sussex's Real Father?
    Isn't the rumor that Diana had an affair with some Royal airforce guy?

    Major James Hewitt, British Army, her "Riding Instructor."

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

    Lots of useful comparisons between Meghan Markle (1981- ) and Bessie Wallis Warfield Simpson (1896-1986) Duchess of Windsor.

    American...

    And...

    Narcissism Writ Large...

    DSH

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Mon Dec 12 15:30:28 2022
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:28:33 AM UTC-10, Ed Stasiak wrote:
    D. Spencer Hines

    1. Is Harry, Duke of Sussex, P-Whipped?
    Is there any doubt? Shame, because he was the cool brother.
    2. Does Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, Wonder, "Why Am I Not Bigger Than Oprah?"
    She's the definition of gold digger.
    3. Who Is Harry, Duke of Sussex's Real Father?
    Isn't the rumor that Diana had an affair with some Royal airforce guy?

    Major James Hewitt, British Army, her "Riding Instructor."

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 14:50:35 2022
    "There’s a hierarchy of the family," Prince Harry, 38, says in one of the trailers for the docuseries."

    It seems to be Crystal-Clear, as Richard Nixon, used to say, that:

    Prince Harry deeply resents being "The Spare" in "Heir and a Spare".

    DSH

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 15 15:35:36 2022
    D. Spencer Hines

    Prince Harry deeply resents being "The Spare" in "Heir and a Spare".

    I don't think he has a problem with that at all, I'd say he's being manipulated and brainwashed by his gold-digger wife;

    https://i.postimg.cc/k5KmwV6Y/Meghan-Diana.jpg

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Fri Dec 16 03:40:59 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:35:38 PM UTC-10, Ed Stasiak wrote:

    D. Spencer Hines

    Prince Harry deeply resents being "The Spare" in "Heir and a Spare".

    I don't think he has a problem with that at all, I'd say he's being manipulated
    and brainwashed by his gold-digger wife;

    https://i.postimg.cc/k5KmwV6Y/Meghan-Diana.jpg

    Why can't it be both, simultaneously?

    I wonder how long it would have taken Henry VIII to simply "off" such a troublesome son?

    DSH

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  • From Tiglath@21:1/5 to D. Spencer Hines on Fri Dec 16 12:08:58 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 5:55:45 PM UTC-5, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
    Hmmmmmmm...

    ...

    Is this Spencer's more perfect version?
    Marooned, beached, excitement-deprived, ...
    Voilà: Tabloid Hines.
    Is this old wine really improving?

    All right... Merry Christmas, thalassic old bastard!
    I hope you are well.
    Late, but I'm becoming fond of history graduates,
    numerically-challenged as some/most of them are...
    Verbi gratia: Hans Delbrück (author of "Numbers in History", 1913), F.B. Maurice, et alia.

    Mudbo!

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas et Harry et Meghan.

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sun Dec 18 20:16:57 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:56:58 PM UTC-10, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Dec 2022 11:01:02 +1100, Peter Jason <[email protected]> wrote:

    Let the DNA geneticists run amuck though the tombs in Westminster
    Abbey and see who's who.
    I don't know about Westminster Abbey but in 2016 I did the tour at the
    The Chapel Royal of St Peter ad Vincula (this is the chapel of
    theTower of London where of course a lot more people died than at Westminster Abbey) and the tour guide was pleased to announce that
    during the previous year they had through DNA evidence definitely
    identified the remains of Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard who were
    executed there (they didn't say whether they meant the whole skeleton
    or just from the head down which is relevant since both were beheaded
    and the heads also buried at the chapel)

    They also said even without detached skulls it was easy to tell high nobility from Tower of London staff who died there since none of the nobility showed any sign of previous periods of malnutrition (even for
    a short period) whereas the commoners weren't normally badly
    malnourished but had showed signs of short periods of malnutrition.

    Obviously Westminster Abbey DOES have human remains from the Tudor era
    since both Queen Mary I and Elizabeth I are buried there - in the same
    tomb actually. (Both of which being no more than 10-15' from the
    stained glass window honoring the WW2 RAF - which apparently was the
    first major post-WW2 memorial at the Abbey and something Churchill and Attlee was a top priority as soon as the war was over - it was
    completed in 1947)

    (No I do not have an encyclopedic memory - just I remember tour guides
    and signs and both the Tudor sarcophagus and the RAF memorial are two
    of the most prominent memorials in the Abbey)

    Allegedly...

    "After targeting his daughter, Thomas [Markle] then went on to comment on Prince Harry’s push to leave the royal family, saying, “He’s a candyass. I’d take him on at my age any time. He’d run away from me.” Evidently agitated with the
    decision nearly two years after it was made, Thomas also told The Sun, “Harry walked away from his responsibilities and that’s ridiculous. He walked away from his grandmother, the royals and the British people.”

    DSH

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  • From Tiglath@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 19 18:29:11 2022
    There is Blue Period Picasso and now we have Tabloid Mr. Hines.


    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas et Harry et Meghan.

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 15:48:56 2022
    Some People really do look like similar animals:

    Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex [for now] = Cunning Vixen [Female Fox]

    "Harry" Mountbattan-Windsor, Duke of Sussex [for now] = Slow-Witted Rat [A Tasty Morse]

    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

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  • From D. Spencer Hines@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 24 12:44:22 2022
    "But Nile Gardiner, a Washington-based foreign policy expert and Royal Family enthusiast, has accused the Duchess of Sussex of putting her acting skills to the best possible use."

    "He told Express.co.uk: "This documentary series has very much been the Meghan Markle show. She is literally acting throughout all of the interviews she is shown doing."

    "Prince Harry is the Best Supporting Actor to Meghan's starring role. What we have really seen is Hollywood fiction, with Meghan running for Best Actress."

    Spot On!

    DSH
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas

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