• "First and last meeting of Arab and Chinese armies" - 751AD

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    Jamie Wright

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    Huang Kun
    History buff and tech practitioner living in the tropicsUpdated 1y

    What is one major Chinese historical event that had a huge impact on the
    world, but is hardly covered or known about today?
    The Battle of Talas between the armies of Arabs and Chinese in 751 AD
    could be considered an event that eventually had a huge impact on the
    rest of the world. The battle itself was barely noticed or remembered
    today but it did help change the course of history.


    The Battle of Talas (picture)

    In 751 AD, the Arabs were in the ascendancy. At the time, the Arab
    caliphate was ruled by the powerful Abbasid dynasty. In the East, the
    Chinese empire was ruled by the great Tang dynasty. At their point of
    contact in today's Kyrgyzstan in Central Asia, an event would spark a
    conflict between these two great empires. Historian and Georgetown
    University professor, James Millward, wrote in his book, "Eurasian
    Crossroads: A History of Xinjiang", calling the conflict the "first and
    last meeting of Arab and Chinese armies".

    By the mid-740s, the Tang controlled trade routes both north and south
    of the Tianshan mountains in modern Kyrgyzstan. Tang's general, Gao
    Xianzhi, had been engaged in a series of campaigns to drive the Tibetans
    out of the Pamir mountains at the time. A quarrel between the rulers of
    the principality of Chach and the Kingdom of Ferghana in Central Asia
    would eventually spark the conflict between the Arabs and the Chinese.
    In those days, the Kingdom of Ferghana, ruled by the Ikhshids, was a
    vassal of Tang.

    In 750 AD, the king of Ferghana had a border dispute with the ruler of neighboring Chach. He appealed to the Chinese, who sent General Gao to
    assist Ferghana's troops. Gao besieged Chach, and offered the Chachan
    king safe passage out of his capital. But Gao reneged and beheaded the
    king. The son of the Chachan king escaped and sought help from Abbasid
    Arab governor at Khorasan. The Arabs decided to teach Gao a lesson. They gathered their troops and marched East. The Arabs were, of course, also
    keen to take the opportunity to assert Abbasid power in the region.

    The Battle

    In 751 AD, the two armies finally met along the Talas river in today's Kyrgyzstan. The Tang army was reinforced by the Karluks, a Turkic
    Central Asian tribal confederacy. The Karluks would later prove
    unexpectedly decisive in the forthcoming battle.

    Both sides fielded tens of thousands of troops. For five days, the two
    mighty armies clashed. Then the Karluks came in on the Arab side on the
    fifth day and attacked the Chinese troops. The Tang army's doom was
    sealed. Chinese sources imply that the Karluks had been fighting for
    them, but treacherously switched sides midway through the battle,
    causing their defeat. Gao managed to escape but with only a fraction of
    his army.

    The defeat marked the end of Tang westward expansion and resulted in
    Muslim control of the Central Asia area for the next 400 years. Control
    of this region was economically beneficial for the Abbasids because it
    was where the Silk Road passed through.

    Consequences

    At the time of the battle, its significance was not clear. The
    historical records of the battle are few but it was recorded in both
    Chinese and Arabian accounts. Not long after the Battle of Talas, China
    would be swept up by an even bigger event.

    The Tang at first wanted revenge and planned to chase the Arabs out of
    the Central Asia region. However, a catastrophic civil war, the An Shi Rebellion, later consumed the whole of China from 755 to 763. The
    rebellion resulted in a huge number of deaths and that the Tang empire's population was greatly reduced. The devastation of the population was
    not only a direct result of the heavy combat casualties and collateral
    civilian deaths, but, due to the widespread dislocations of the
    peasants, especially in the north and middle areas of China, mass
    starvation and disease also resulted in the deaths of millions. The
    rebellion spanned the reign of three Tang emperors and the death toll is estimated to be up to 36 million according to some sources.

    The An Shi Rebellion and its aftermath greatly weakened the centralized bureaucracy of the Tang dynasty, especially in regards to its
    perimeters. Virtually, autonomous provinces and ad hoc financial
    organizations arose, giving rise to warlordism and reducing the
    influence of the central government. Furthermore, the Tang government
    also lost most of its control over the Western regions, due to troop
    withdrawal to central China to help crush the rebellion and deal with subsequent disturbances. Hence, continued military and economic weakness resulted in further subsequent erosion of the Tang territorial control
    during the ensuing years, particularly in the Western region. By 790 the Chinese had completely lost control over the Tarim Basin area. The Arabs
    took opportunity to further expand into Central Asia as the Tang’s
    influence in the region retreated.

    Nevertheless, the Battle of Talas had important consequences. The
    weakened Chinese Empire was no longer in any position to interfere in
    Central Asia, so the influence of the Abbassid Arabs continued to grow.
    Many of the communities and tribes in Central Asia were converted to
    Islam. Within the next 250 years, most of the formerly Buddhist, Hindu, Zoroastrian, and Nestorian Christian tribes of Central Asia became
    Muslim. With the decline of Central Asian Buddhism due to Islam
    influence, Chinese Buddhism was cut off from Indian Buddhism and
    developed into an independent religion with distinct spiritual elements.

    Paper technology goes West

    Most significant of all, the art of making paper is said to have spread
    to the Arabs, then to the West as a result of the Battle of Talas.


    According to the 11th century historian, Thaalibi, Chinese prisoners
    captured at the battle helped introduce paper manufacturing to
    Samarkand, a city in southeastern Uzbekistan and one of the oldest
    continuously inhabited cities in Central Asia.

    Some of the Chinese soldiers were said to have worked at paper mills in
    China before. They were the ones who later helped build paper mills
    outside of China. One of the captives was a Tang Dynasty craftsman
    Tou-Houan. It was reported that he and others were brought to Baghdad
    where they stayed and worked for their Islamic captors for some years.
    When he returned to China, Tou wrote to the emperor that he and his
    colleagues taught the Abbasid craftsmen important techniques of
    paper-making, textile manufacture, and gold-working.

    Soon, paper mills sprang up in Samarkand, Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo,
    Delhi and in 1120 the first European paper mill was established in
    Xativa, Spain (now called Valencia). Note that at the height of the Arab domination, they controlled Spain and Portugal, as well as North Africa,
    the Middle East, and large swaths of Central Asia. This facilitated the transfer of paper-making technology to the West. From Xativa, this
    Chinese invention later passed to Italy, Germany, and across Europe.

    Paper, being less expensive than parchment, helped spread knowledge,
    much of which was gleaned from the great Asian culture centers along the
    Silk Road, that benefitted Europe during the Middle Ages. It
    revolutionized the Islamic world, and later the European West. The
    advent of paper technology, along with woodcut printing and later
    movable-type printing, certainly fueled the advances in science,
    theology, and history in the West.

    Ref:

    Battle of Talas - Wikipedia

    The Battle That Kept the Chinese Out of Central Asia

    Arabs Fought the Chinese Back in 751 at the Battle of Talas River

    An Lushan Rebellion - Wikipedia

    An Shi Rebellion

    https://getd.libs.uga.edu/pdfs/ayers_bryan_s_200408_ma.pdf

    The Invention of Paper

    Edit:

    Someone commented that the Karluk Turks did not treacherously switch
    sides midway through the battle but were allied to the Abbasid Caliphate
    right from the beginning. It was suggested that the Chinese had lied
    about the supposed betrayal by the Turks in order to make excuses for
    their loss at the Battle of Talas so as to cover their shame.

    The truth of the matter is, nobody really knows for sure. There were not
    many historical accounts of the battle and primarily, they came from
    either the Chinese or the Arab sources. That means, there would be
    certain biasness involved in recording the accounts of the battle. So, principally, there are 2 versions of the battle.


    According to the Chinese accounts, the battle lasted for five days. The fighting was hard and bloody. During the first few days, the battle was
    a contest between the archers and infantrymen of both Tang and Abbasid
    armies in the center and the cavalry units vying for control of the
    flanks. The Chinese army had a larger number of infantrymen and archers,
    while the Abbasid forces were comprised of half infantry and half
    cavalry. In the Chinese accounts, their forces were attacked by their
    Karluk allies in the rear on the last day of the battle while the
    Abbasids launched an all-out frontal attack. The Chinese army collapsed
    and was routed with heavy losses. Many of the Chinese soldiers were
    captured.

    The second version came from Arab sources. In this version, the two
    armies faced off against one another for four days. Neither side was
    willing to fully commit to battle. Then on the fifth day, a third army,
    the Karluk Turks, attacked the Chinese in the rear, and at the same time
    the Abbasid forces launched a direct assault against the Tang army from
    the front, resulting in its utter destruction. In this second account,
    the Karluks had been Abbasid’ allies from the start and the Abbasid commander, Ziyad ibn Salih, had planned the simultaneous assault with
    the Karluks on the fifth day. There was never any treachery involved.

    In either versions, the battle was a decisive Arab victory in any case.
    In both versions, the Chinese army was completely destroyed with the
    Chinese commander, General Gao, escaping. Multitudes of Chinese POWs
    were taken, which aided in the transfer of paper making technology to
    the West, as explained earlier. And the Chinese influence would never
    extend beyond the Tarim Basin again. The Arabs would come to dominate
    the region for the next few hundred years, resulting in its inhabitants
    of Central Asia gradually being Islamicized.

    Today, a large majority of the people in the countries of Western
    Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and
    Uzbekistan) are Muslims. Even Xinjiang of Eastern Central Asia was
    originally dominated by Uyghur Muslims. After the People's Republic of
    China was founded by Mao Zedong in 1949, he transferred large number of
    Han Chinese into Xinjiang (“支边新疆” policy), resulting in today's mix of
    about half Han, half Uyghur populations in Xinjiang. The Eastern Central
    Asian region (Dzungarian Basin and Tarim Basin) was reconquered by China
    and incorporated into a province during the late Qing dynasty. The name Xinjiang was actually proposed by General Zuo Zongtang (General Tso) to
    Qing Emperor, after he successfully led the reconquest. And today, there
    is a constant tension between Uyghur and Han populations in Xinjiang.
    Beijing has established many "re-education camps" in Xinjiang to house
    the Uygher Muslims.

    Which version of the battle to believe?

    You will have to decide for yourself which version of the battle to
    believe in. Understandably, such decision may be affected by one's
    outlook and culture. Even the academics themselves aren’t able to come
    to an agreement.

    For example, Dr Kallie Szczepanski, a history expert specializing in
    Asian history and culture, believes in the Arab accounts more. That is
    to say, there was no treachery to begin with and the Karluk Turks were originally allied with the Arabs at the beginning of the battle. In her write-up for ThoughtCo on the battle, she said, "The Arab account seems
    more likely since the Qarluqs (Karluks) suddenly mounted a surprise
    attack on the Tang formation from the rear." She has a Ph.D. in history
    from Boston University.

    Not surprisingly, Prof Jin Canrong, Professor and Associate Dean at the
    School of International Studies in Renmin University (one of the top universities in China), thought otherwise. In a 2018 article on China-US
    trade war and its impact to the surrounding countries, he mentioned the
    Battle of Talas in his article:

    “跟咱们接壤的西北地区是五个中亚的斯坦,我们古代叫西域,以前是佛家地区,然后深受中华文化影响,但是很不幸,在唐朝的时候有个怛罗斯战役,高仙芝将军领导的那支军队失败了,被阿
    拉伯联军打败了,军事上其实他打得很好,他就带了4万人和15万阿拉伯联军作战,初期是成功的,打得非常好,可是当地葛逻禄部雇佣兵叛变了,那么就失败了。很可惜,历史就变了,这就变成
    一个伊斯兰化的地区。”

    Translation:

    "The northwestern region bordering us are the five “Stans” of Central
    Asia. We called the region the Western Territory in ancient times. It
    used to be a Buddhist region, and was deeply influenced by Chinese
    culture. Unfortunately, during the Tang dynasty there was this Battle of
    Talas. The army led by General Gao Xianzhi failed and was defeated by
    the Arab allied forces. He was actually a good military leader. He took
    40,000 troops to fight with Arab allied forces of 150,000. Initially, he
    was successful and fought well. However, the Karluk mercenaries
    rebelled, and the Tang army lost. It’s a pity cause history was changed
    and the region became Islamicised.”

    Prof Jin is also a member of the Policy Planning Office of the National People's Congress, the highest legislative body in the People's Republic
    of China, and an agenda contributor to the World Economic Forum (WEF).

    So, which pill would you want to take, the red or the blue? You decide.

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