On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:08:18 +0100, occam <[email protected]> wrote:

On 02/12/2021 10:56, Steve Hayes wrote:

An etymology and translation question.

Would someone with access to the OED (Jerry Friedman?) or similar
etymological dictionary let me know when "projector" first was used
for a person who initiated business projects and ventures?

I think it has now been superseded by words like "entrepreneur", but
it was in use like that in the 18th century -- I just want to know
when it began, and if it was in use in that sense in the second half
of the 17th cenury.

Yes, projector was the word used by the French before they stumbled
across 'entrepreneur', following the remark made by George W.

Since the 18th century has been mentioned can we assume by George W.
you mean Washington not Bush?

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On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 06:30:09 +0200, Steve Hayes
<[email protected]> wrote:

Did snopes.com say that George W. lived in the 17th century?

Hardly but the 18th not the 17th was what was mentioned

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On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 20:51:20 +0000, Sam Plusnet <[email protected]> wrote:

Yes, projector was the word used by the French before they stumbled
across 'entrepreneur', following the remark made by George W.

(Don't believe everything Snopes.com tells you. It cites the
pathological liar Alastair Campbell, who would deny his own grandmother
if it served his political purposes.)

Did snopes.com say that George W. lived in the 17th century?

No, but here Jacob Rees Mogg is known as the "Honourable Member for the
18th century".

I'm pretty sure I heard that used of him when I was in the UK in 2016
(long before that nasty C word entered our lives)

He's the sort of politician my daughter (who lives in Southwark) would
have less than zero use for. Her MP used to be Mr Khan before he
decided he'd rather be mayor of London.

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On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:30:08 +0200, Steve Hayes
<[email protected]> wrote:

Aye, and in the 17th century the English word "factory" was not
primarily a manufactory, but more like a warehouse.

Yet nowadays Factory" usually means the premises on which something is >manufactured, and "industrialist" means tomeone who develops or owns
or manages such premises and the activities that go on within.

Agreed. The Canadian town of Moose Factory was originally a Hudson's
Bay Company trading post - they were certainly not manufacturing
moose!

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 22:46:36 +0300, Anton Shepelev
<[email protected]> wrote:

I still remember the origin of Baba Yaga that I read as a
child in an antology of Russian 18-th Russian fantasy (for
those who think Karamzin and Pushkin the fathers of our lit-
erary language!). The Devil was boiling twelve evil wives
in a huge cauldron. He was so shocked at what he saw inside
that he took the cauldron and crashed it forcefully onto the
floor, breaking the creature's leg. He then reconsidered and
made her a leg of bone by way of a protesis.

In retrospect I was amazed that my parents allowed me to read the tale
of Baba Yaga as it's considerably more violent and generally appalling
than what most North American kids are exposed to.

It's not as if there are any Russians in our particular family tree -
but while my parents were very strict in some ways they were extremely
laissez faire in others. Other than a couple of grievous sins (like
playing favorites among their children) they did pretty well and I was
exposed to a lot of things I might not of - but then on the good side
I was one of the few 10 year olds who had to have his library card
replaced as I'd worn out the old one...

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