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  • Royal Descents for actor Damien Lewis

    From Leslie Mahler@21:1/5 to Leslie Mahler on Tue Aug 24 10:13:48 2021
    On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-7, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    Part of the ancestry of actor Damien Lewis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Lewis
    is included on The Peerage.com: http://www.thepeerage.com/p17574.htm

    The lineage of his mother's family, Bowater, as recorded there, is taken from a pedigree
    that was published in Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica in 1877:

    https://archive.org/details/miscellaneagenea02unse/page/176/mode/2up

    Part of the same pedigree is here:

    https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00734362&tree=LEO


    Neither of these compilations includes the gentry ancestry of Dean Tyndall of Great Maplestead, Essex, who is recorded in the Visitations of Essex for 1634:

    https://archive.org/details/visitationsofess13byumetc/page/510/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/cu31924029787458/page/n167/mode/2up

    One of the ancestral couples in the Bowater pedigree is Richard Bowater, married at St. Peters, Derby, 15 March 1738/9, to Mary Bayley, daughter of Thomas Bayley, Member of Parliament.

    There is a brief sketch of Thomas Bayley here: https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/bayley-thomas-1679-1734
    His will only briefly mentions his children: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D637545

    His widow Bridget left a more informative will: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D627062
    Besides mentioning her daughter Bowater, she also mentions her son Wolston Bayley,
    and her sister Elizabeth Dixie.

    Bridget was the 2nd daughter of Wolstan Dixie, 3rd Baronet, and his wife Rebecca Atkins,
    as recorded in Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage

    https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_Pf8cAAAAYAAJ/page/n829/mode/2up

    There are descents from Edward III through Wolston Dixie, as outlined here:

    https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00724622&tree=LEO

    Leslie


    One of the descents from Edward III to Damien Lewis was reported back in 2015, at # 134 under Edward III:
    https://humphrysfamilytree.com/famous.thelist.html

    One famous person who is not on the list is author C.S. Lewis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis

    His mother has a number of royal descents, which have been added here in
    the past week:
    https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00758961&tree=LEO

    Leslie

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Leslie Mahler on Tue Aug 24 14:50:07 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:13:50 AM UTC-7, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-7, Leslie Mahler wrote:
    Part of the ancestry of actor Damien Lewis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Lewis
    is included on The Peerage.com: http://www.thepeerage.com/p17574.htm

    The lineage of his mother's family, Bowater, as recorded there, is taken from a pedigree
    that was published in Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica in 1877:

    https://archive.org/details/miscellaneagenea02unse/page/176/mode/2up

    Part of the same pedigree is here:

    https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00734362&tree=LEO


    Neither of these compilations includes the gentry ancestry of Dean Tyndall of
    Great Maplestead, Essex, who is recorded in the Visitations of Essex for 1634:

    https://archive.org/details/visitationsofess13byumetc/page/510/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/cu31924029787458/page/n167/mode/2up

    One of the ancestral couples in the Bowater pedigree is Richard Bowater, married at St. Peters, Derby, 15 March 1738/9, to Mary Bayley, daughter of Thomas Bayley, Member of Parliament.

    There is a brief sketch of Thomas Bayley here: https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/bayley-thomas-1679-1734
    His will only briefly mentions his children: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D637545

    His widow Bridget left a more informative will: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D627062
    Besides mentioning her daughter Bowater, she also mentions her son Wolston Bayley,
    and her sister Elizabeth Dixie.

    Bridget was the 2nd daughter of Wolstan Dixie, 3rd Baronet, and his wife Rebecca Atkins,
    as recorded in Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage

    https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_Pf8cAAAAYAAJ/page/n829/mode/2up

    There are descents from Edward III through Wolston Dixie, as outlined here:

    https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00724622&tree=LEO

    Leslie
    One of the descents from Edward III to Damien Lewis was reported back in 2015,
    at # 134 under Edward III:
    https://humphrysfamilytree.com/famous.thelist.html

    One famous person who is not on the list is author C.S. Lewis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis

    His mother has a number of royal descents, which have been added here in
    the past week: https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00758961&tree=LEO

    Leslie

    Mary Lysaght and Kingsmill Pennefather were married in 1754 at Cloyne, co Cork Since her parents had only been married 7 Dec 1735, this puts a narrow birthyear range on Mary of 1736/1742 (to be at least 12 at her own marriage)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to Leslie Mahler on Tue Aug 24 16:33:50 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 10:13:50 AM UTC-7, Leslie Mahler wrote:

    One of the descents from Edward III to Damien Lewis was reported back in 2015,
    at # 134 under Edward III:
    https://humphrysfamilytree.com/famous.thelist.html

    One famous person who is not on the list is author C.S. Lewis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis

    His mother has a number of royal descents, which have been added here in
    the past week: https://genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00758961&tree=LEO

    Leslie

    Since you mentioned Edward III descents, It's worth noting that Florence Augusta [Flora} Hamilton, the mother of C. S. Lewis, appears to have 15 Edward III descents - 5 via her father and 10 via her mother.

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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Aug 24 16:27:28 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 2:50:09 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:

    Mary Lysaght and Kingsmill Pennefather were married in 1754 at Cloyne, co Cork
    Since her parents had only been married 7 Dec 1735, this puts a narrow birthyear range on Mary of 1736/1742 (to be at least 12 at her own marriage)

    According to CP 8:79, Mary Lysaght's parents were married 17 Dec 1725 - not 7 Dec 1735. And the 1725 marriage date is also given in her father's bio in "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", 5:147. Your 7 Dec 1735 looks like a mistake.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 27 07:31:14 2021
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:27:29 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 2:50:09 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:

    Mary Lysaght and Kingsmill Pennefather were married in 1754 at Cloyne, co Cork
    Since her parents had only been married 7 Dec 1735, this puts a narrow birthyear range on Mary of 1736/1742 (to be at least 12 at her own marriage)
    According to CP 8:79, Mary Lysaght's parents were married 17 Dec 1725 - not 7 Dec 1735. And the 1725 marriage date is also given in her father's bio in "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", 5:147. Your 7 Dec 1735 looks like a mistake.

    This date is from Burke's

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Burke_s_Genealogical_and_Heraldic_Histor/YdIKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=John+Lysaght+catherine+deane&pg=PA446&printsec=frontcover

    However, I have found in the Ireland, Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage License Bonds Indexes, 1623-1866 "John Lysaght and Catherine Deane" under the year 1725.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Higgins@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 27 10:16:17 2021
    On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 7:31:16 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 4:27:29 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 2:50:09 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:

    Mary Lysaght and Kingsmill Pennefather were married in 1754 at Cloyne, co Cork
    Since her parents had only been married 7 Dec 1735, this puts a narrow birthyear range on Mary of 1736/1742 (to be at least 12 at her own marriage)
    According to CP 8:79, Mary Lysaght's parents were married 17 Dec 1725 - not 7 Dec 1735. And the 1725 marriage date is also given in her father's bio in "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", 5:147. Your 7 Dec 1735 looks like a mistake.
    This date is from Burke's

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Burke_s_Genealogical_and_Heraldic_Histor/YdIKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=John+Lysaght+catherine+deane&pg=PA446&printsec=frontcover

    However, I have found in the Ireland, Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage License Bonds Indexes, 1623-1866 "John Lysaght and Catherine Deane" under the year 1725.
    CP 8:79 says the 2nd Baron Lisle, "s. and h. by 1st wife" [i.e., Catherine Deane] was admitted to Trinity College, Dublin "24 Oct. 1745, aged 16". So he was born ca. 1729, and thus his parents cannot have been married in 1735.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
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