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  • The three (?) wives of Roger Glover (d. 1634), pewterer of London

    From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 08:32:46 2023
    The father of the Rev. Josse Glover was one Roger Glover, pewterer of London, who died ca. 1634. (Rev. Josse Glover left a number of New England descendants.) See pedigree chart from Wikitree showing all descendants of Roger:

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Glover-1946

    First, I question the name Joan for his "first" wife. George E. Littlefield _The Early Massachusetts Press, 1638-1711_, p. 19, discussing Josse Glover as the "father of the Massachusetts Press," notes of his parentage that "Roger Glover, Esq., of
    Beckett or Bewcott, Berkshire County, England, married Susan, daughter of Robert Goodwin, citizen and salter of London." For this, Littlefield cites the 1610 will of Robert Goodwin, which, however, actually only speaks of "daughter Glover" and "son in
    law Roger Glover."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Early_Massachusetts_Press_1638_1711/PL938id8VgkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=glover+bewcott&pg=PA19&printsec=frontcover

    Because Robert Goodwin only mentions two children of his daughter Glover, i.e. Susan and Ellen Glover, I had questioned this marriage as applying to the father of Rev. Josse. However, in a contemporary controversy over Bewcott/ Beckott/ Beckett and
    Shreenham / Shrivenham, Roger Glover was paired as a defendant with Peter Goodwyn, a known son of Robert the testator of 1610.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lists_and_Indexes/GAbgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+goodwyn&pg=PA372&printsec=frontcover

    Also, the 1634 Visitation of London shows that Valentine Mortoft married a daughter of "Roger Glover of Beaucott Com. Bucks," specifically Elliner, very probably the same "Ellen Glover" named as a granddaughter of Robert Goodwin.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Publications_of_the_Harleian_Society/hSjvAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=glover+moretoft&pg=PA113&printsec=frontcover

    The 1664 Visitation of London only assigns one wife to Roger Glover, pewterer, who died in 1634: an "Ann dau. of .... Vandeplanck."

    I believe this is a first wife of Roger, and explains the origin of the name "Josse" for the Reverend, i.e., an Englished form of the common Dutch male name Jos or Joos. Ann Vandeplanck is indicated in the 1664 Vis. as mother also of Roger's known sons
    Roger, John, and Ralph.

    Roger Glover, citizen and pewterer, also had property at Walthamstow, Essex, in addition to Bewcott/ Beckett in Bucks.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Official_Publication/eJsJAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+pewterer+elizabeth&pg=RA3-PA7&printsec=frontcover

    Roger Glover and "Elizabeth his wife" were deforciants of property at Walthamstow, showing (probably) that his Goodwin wife was really called Elizabeth, not Susan or Joan.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_East_Anglian_Or_Notes_and_Queries_on/08NAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+%22elizabeth+his+wife%22&pg=PA365&printsec=frontcover

    Littlefield was able to identify Roger Glover's last wife and widow, another Ann, as a Rolt, daughter of John and Judith Rolt or Rolte of Milton Ernest, Bedfordshire, by locating the funerary monument of her first husband, Francis Barty, in the church of
    Milton Ernest (see also her will, which names some of her own relations).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Early_Massachusetts_Press_1638_1711/PL938id8VgkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=anne+rolt+%22roger+glover%22&pg=PA20&printsec=frontcover

    The 1664 Visitation mentions only one wife, Elizabeth Harris, for Rev. Josse, but it is known from other sources that he was also married to Thomasine Owfield.

    His son John Glover is shown as having married, something that was not known from the New England side of things. This may explain John Glover's cryptic statement about a grandmother recently deceased "in Scotland" -- who could therefore possibly be his
    WIFE's grandmother.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Wed Mar 1 12:12:34 2023
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:32:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    The father of the Rev. Josse Glover was one Roger Glover, pewterer of London, who died ca. 1634. (Rev. Josse Glover left a number of New England descendants.) See pedigree chart from Wikitree showing all descendants of Roger:

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Glover-1946

    First, I question the name Joan for his "first" wife. George E. Littlefield _The Early Massachusetts Press, 1638-1711_, p. 19, discussing Josse Glover as the "father of the Massachusetts Press," notes of his parentage that "Roger Glover, Esq., of
    Beckett or Bewcott, Berkshire County, England, married Susan, daughter of Robert Goodwin, citizen and salter of London." For this, Littlefield cites the 1610 will of Robert Goodwin, which, however, actually only speaks of "daughter Glover" and "son in
    law Roger Glover."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Early_Massachusetts_Press_1638_1711/PL938id8VgkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=glover+bewcott&pg=PA19&printsec=frontcover

    Because Robert Goodwin only mentions two children of his daughter Glover, i.e. Susan and Ellen Glover, I had questioned this marriage as applying to the father of Rev. Josse. However, in a contemporary controversy over Bewcott/ Beckott/ Beckett and
    Shreenham / Shrivenham, Roger Glover was paired as a defendant with Peter Goodwyn, a known son of Robert the testator of 1610.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lists_and_Indexes/GAbgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+goodwyn&pg=PA372&printsec=frontcover

    Also, the 1634 Visitation of London shows that Valentine Mortoft married a daughter of "Roger Glover of Beaucott Com. Bucks," specifically Elliner, very probably the same "Ellen Glover" named as a granddaughter of Robert Goodwin.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Publications_of_the_Harleian_Society/hSjvAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=glover+moretoft&pg=PA113&printsec=frontcover

    The 1664 Visitation of London only assigns one wife to Roger Glover, pewterer, who died in 1634: an "Ann dau. of .... Vandeplanck."

    I believe this is a first wife of Roger, and explains the origin of the name "Josse" for the Reverend, i.e., an Englished form of the common Dutch male name Jos or Joos. Ann Vandeplanck is indicated in the 1664 Vis. as mother also of Roger's known sons
    Roger, John, and Ralph.

    Roger Glover, citizen and pewterer, also had property at Walthamstow, Essex, in addition to Bewcott/ Beckett in Bucks.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Official_Publication/eJsJAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+pewterer+elizabeth&pg=RA3-PA7&printsec=frontcover

    Roger Glover and "Elizabeth his wife" were deforciants of property at Walthamstow, showing (probably) that his Goodwin wife was really called Elizabeth, not Susan or Joan.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_East_Anglian_Or_Notes_and_Queries_on/08NAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+%22elizabeth+his+wife%22&pg=PA365&printsec=frontcover

    Littlefield was able to identify Roger Glover's last wife and widow, another Ann, as a Rolt, daughter of John and Judith Rolt or Rolte of Milton Ernest, Bedfordshire, by locating the funerary monument of her first husband, Francis Barty, in the church
    of Milton Ernest (see also her will, which names some of her own relations).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Early_Massachusetts_Press_1638_1711/PL938id8VgkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=anne+rolt+%22roger+glover%22&pg=PA20&printsec=frontcover

    The 1664 Visitation mentions only one wife, Elizabeth Harris, for Rev. Josse, but it is known from other sources that he was also married to Thomasine Owfield.

    His son John Glover is shown as having married, something that was not known from the New England side of things. This may explain John Glover's cryptic statement about a grandmother recently deceased "in Scotland" -- who could therefore possibly be
    his WIFE's grandmother.

    "01/02/1633 ... Roger Glover esq. & wife Ann, Josse Glover, clerk & wife Elizabeth & John Glover & wife Joan may alienate hundred of Shrevenham, manors of Shrevenham & Beckett & 20 messuages, Berks., to Sir Henry & Henry Marten, esq. & Thomas ..."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Calendar_of_the_Docquets_of_Lord_Keepe/lPIMAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=boyland%20josse

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Johnny Brananas@21:1/5 to Johnny Brananas on Wed Mar 1 13:02:42 2023
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 3:12:36 PM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 11:32:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Brananas wrote:
    The father of the Rev. Josse Glover was one Roger Glover, pewterer of London, who died ca. 1634. (Rev. Josse Glover left a number of New England descendants.) See pedigree chart from Wikitree showing all descendants of Roger:

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Glover-1946

    First, I question the name Joan for his "first" wife. George E. Littlefield _The Early Massachusetts Press, 1638-1711_, p. 19, discussing Josse Glover as the "father of the Massachusetts Press," notes of his parentage that "Roger Glover, Esq., of
    Beckett or Bewcott, Berkshire County, England, married Susan, daughter of Robert Goodwin, citizen and salter of London." For this, Littlefield cites the 1610 will of Robert Goodwin, which, however, actually only speaks of "daughter Glover" and "son in
    law Roger Glover."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Early_Massachusetts_Press_1638_1711/PL938id8VgkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=glover+bewcott&pg=PA19&printsec=frontcover

    Because Robert Goodwin only mentions two children of his daughter Glover, i.e. Susan and Ellen Glover, I had questioned this marriage as applying to the father of Rev. Josse. However, in a contemporary controversy over Bewcott/ Beckott/ Beckett and
    Shreenham / Shrivenham, Roger Glover was paired as a defendant with Peter Goodwyn, a known son of Robert the testator of 1610.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lists_and_Indexes/GAbgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+goodwyn&pg=PA372&printsec=frontcover

    Also, the 1634 Visitation of London shows that Valentine Mortoft married a daughter of "Roger Glover of Beaucott Com. Bucks," specifically Elliner, very probably the same "Ellen Glover" named as a granddaughter of Robert Goodwin.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Publications_of_the_Harleian_Society/hSjvAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=glover+moretoft&pg=PA113&printsec=frontcover

    The 1664 Visitation of London only assigns one wife to Roger Glover, pewterer, who died in 1634: an "Ann dau. of .... Vandeplanck."

    I believe this is a first wife of Roger, and explains the origin of the name "Josse" for the Reverend, i.e., an Englished form of the common Dutch male name Jos or Joos. Ann Vandeplanck is indicated in the 1664 Vis. as mother also of Roger's known
    sons Roger, John, and Ralph.

    Roger Glover, citizen and pewterer, also had property at Walthamstow, Essex, in addition to Bewcott/ Beckett in Bucks.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/Official_Publication/eJsJAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+pewterer+elizabeth&pg=RA3-PA7&printsec=frontcover

    Roger Glover and "Elizabeth his wife" were deforciants of property at Walthamstow, showing (probably) that his Goodwin wife was really called Elizabeth, not Susan or Joan.

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_East_Anglian_Or_Notes_and_Queries_on/08NAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22roger+glover%22+%22elizabeth+his+wife%22&pg=PA365&printsec=frontcover

    Littlefield was able to identify Roger Glover's last wife and widow, another Ann, as a Rolt, daughter of John and Judith Rolt or Rolte of Milton Ernest, Bedfordshire, by locating the funerary monument of her first husband, Francis Barty, in the
    church of Milton Ernest (see also her will, which names some of her own relations).

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Early_Massachusetts_Press_1638_1711/PL938id8VgkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=anne+rolt+%22roger+glover%22&pg=PA20&printsec=frontcover

    The 1664 Visitation mentions only one wife, Elizabeth Harris, for Rev. Josse, but it is known from other sources that he was also married to Thomasine Owfield.

    His son John Glover is shown as having married, something that was not known from the New England side of things. This may explain John Glover's cryptic statement about a grandmother recently deceased "in Scotland" -- who could therefore possibly be
    his WIFE's grandmother.
    "01/02/1633 ... Roger Glover esq. & wife Ann, Josse Glover, clerk & wife Elizabeth & John Glover & wife Joan may alienate hundred of Shrevenham, manors of Shrevenham & Beckett & 20 messuages, Berks., to Sir Henry & Henry Marten, esq. & Thomas ..."

    https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Calendar_of_the_Docquets_of_Lord_Keepe/lPIMAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=boyland%20josse

    Name Roger Glover
    Sex M
    Joys Glover
    Son
    Name Joys Glover
    Sex Male
    Birth Date 17 Nov 1594
    Birthplace St Margaret Pattens with St Gabriel Fenchurch, London, England, United Kingdom

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
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