In the "Sussex Postmortem Inquisitions, 1485-1649", we find the following re: Rustington:
"#266 Thomas Cooke, Esq (died 13 Apr 11 Henry VIII (1519/20)
Taken 11 Oct 1519/20 at Arundel
• Wife Joanne
• Granddaughter, Heir Mary (b ca 1516/17) “3 yrs old” at Inquisition • Son Thomas Jr (d before 13 Apr 1519/20)
LANDS ETC
• RUSTINGTON (Moiety)
• Goring (Messuages enfeoffed to himself by deed dated 15 Apr 1512)
• Lytilhamptonn (ditto)
• Sussex
• Hampshire
• Isle of Wight
Goring lands to wife Joanne for life, then at her death + 10 years to gr-daughter Mary at her marriage"
Thomas Cooke, mrd Joanne, held a 1/2 interest (moiety) in Rustington.

From: "A history of the castles, mansions, and manors of western Sussex", by Dudley George Cary Elwes, Charles John Robinson:
MUCH of the manorial history of this parish has already been noticed under the head of Midhurst, of which barony it formed a part. It was thus included in the grant made in 1102 to Savaric Fitz Cana, and was held by the Bohuns until
* Testa de Nevill, 26 Ed. I. " John & Hubert de Wykes held one knt's fee in Wykes Rumbald, of Ralph Touny alias Tormy, who holds of the King in chief," from the Pat. & Close Rolls this appears to have been subsequently held by the Foxle family, and in 8
Hen. VI. Margaret, thew. of John Hertyngdon, Esq., remitted all her right in the M. of R. (which formerly belonged to John Foxle, knt.) with the advowson of the church of R., &c., to Thos. Foxlee, Esq.; they no doubt held under the Knts. of St. John of
Jerusalem.
the reign of Edward III., when, it appears, on the death of John de Bohun (41 Edw. III.) to have descended to his dau. Johanna, by his last wife, Isabella. She married John de L'Isle de Gatecumbe, and on the death of their son, John de L'Isle, s.p., in
1369, the manor devolved to his sisters, Elizabeth, wife of John Bramshot, and Eva, wife of Sir John Burford. A partition ensued, and the two members of the manor became known as East-court and West-court. In the Subsidy Roll, levied 13 Hen. IV. [1412,],
Thomas Haket had half the manor of Russyton, being portion of two-thirds of lands lately Walter Haket's, worth (exclusive of an annuity of ^Q6 135.4d. payable to one John Cooke), ,^13 6s. 8cl.; at same time William Bramshot had half the manor of Rustyton.
... From this entry, supported by other evidence, we gather that Sir John and Eva Burford had two daughters; one married to Walter Haket, and the other, Ellinor, married to Thomas Cooke, of Wickham. John Cooke, of Rustington, son of the latter, served as
Sheriff of Sussex twice, in 1493-4, and 1498. He left an only daughter and heir, Elizabeth, who brought this manor, i.e. West court, in u EIIZ. dowry to her husband, John Covert, of Sullington....."

How does this reconcile? Or does it?

Can Thomas m Elinor Burford be Thomas (d1520) who married Joanne d
Can Elizabeth dau of John and heir of the moiety be Mary, the granddaughter of Thomas & Joanne?

What is going on here?

Jim Cooke

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 2:31:36 PM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 1:05:50 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:

In the "Sussex Postmortem Inquisitions, 1485-1649", we find the following re: Rustington:
"#266 Thomas Cooke, Esq (died 13 Apr 11 Henry VIII (1519/20)
Taken 11 Oct 1519/20 at Arundel
• Wife Joanne
• Granddaughter, Heir Mary (b ca 1516/17) “3 yrs old” at Inquisition • Son Thomas Jr (d before 13 Apr 1519/20)
LANDS ETC
• RUSTINGTON (Moiety)
• Goring (Messuages enfeoffed to himself by deed dated 15 Apr 1512)
• Lytilhamptonn (ditto)
• Sussex
• Hampshire
• Isle of Wight
Goring lands to wife Joanne for life, then at her death + 10 years to gr-daughter Mary at her marriage"
Thomas Cooke, mrd Joanne, held a 1/2 interest (moiety) in Rustington.

From: "A history of the castles, mansions, and manors of western Sussex", by Dudley George Cary Elwes, Charles John Robinson:
MUCH of the manorial history of this parish has already been noticed under the head of Midhurst, of which barony it formed a part. It was thus included in the grant made in 1102 to Savaric Fitz Cana, and was held by the Bohuns until
* Testa de Nevill, 26 Ed. I. " John & Hubert de Wykes held one knt's fee in Wykes Rumbald, of Ralph Touny alias Tormy, who holds of the King in chief," from the Pat. & Close Rolls this appears to have been subsequently held by the Foxle family, and

in 8 Hen. VI. Margaret, thew. of John Hertyngdon, Esq., remitted all her right in the M. of R. (which formerly belonged to John Foxle, knt.) with the advowson of the church of R., &c., to Thos. Foxlee, Esq.; they no doubt held under the Knts. of St. John
of Jerusalem.

the reign of Edward III., when, it appears, on the death of John de Bohun (41 Edw. III.) to have descended to his dau. Johanna, by his last wife, Isabella. She married John de L'Isle de Gatecumbe, and on the death of their son, John de L'Isle, s.p.,

in 1369, the manor devolved to his sisters, Elizabeth, wife of John Bramshot, and Eva, wife of Sir John Burford. A partition ensued, and the two members of the manor became known as East-court and West-court. In the Subsidy Roll, levied 13 Hen. IV. [1412,
], Thomas Haket had half the manor of Russyton, being portion of two-thirds of lands lately Walter Haket's, worth (exclusive of an annuity of ^Q6 135.4d. payable to one John Cooke), ,^13 6s. 8cl.; at same time William Bramshot had half the manor of
Rustyton.... From this entry, supported by other evidence, we gather that Sir John and Eva Burford had two daughters; one married to Walter Haket, and the other, Ellinor, married to Thomas Cooke, of Wickham. John Cooke, of Rustington, son of the latter,
served as Sheriff of Sussex twice, in 1493-4, and 1498. He left an only daughter and heir, Elizabeth, who brought this manor, i.e. West court, in u EIIZ. dowry to her husband, John Covert, of Sullington....."

How does this reconcile? Or does it?

Can Thomas m Elinor Burford be Thomas (d1520) who married Joanne d
Can Elizabeth dau of John and heir of the moiety be Mary, the granddaughter of Thomas & Joanne?

What is going on here?

Jim Cooke

There is a chronological difficulty in the second part of your quotes where they make Eva (de Lisle) Burford have a daughter Eleanor married to Thomas Cooke

John de Lisle of Gatcombe has extremely narrow dates, born 1324, died March 1349
This allows us to state that his daugher Eva was born exactly between 1343 and 1349
Then her supposed daughter Eleanor had to be born BY 1397
and then we have this woman's own son supposedly serving Sheriff as late as 1498
which stretches crudulity.

On the contrary I would direct you to

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitations_of_the_County_of_Sussex/Hy8EAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thomas+cooke+of+%22wickham%22&pg=PA73&printsec=frontcover

which adds another generation here

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Sussex_Archaeological_Collections_Relati/ZUoJAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Thomas+Rokesley+Eva+Burford&pg=PA23&printsec=frontcover

On the other hand
Makes that Eva who m Sir Thomas Rokesley be the AUNT of Eva (d'Lisle) Burford, instead of her daughter
So go figure

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 1:05:50 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:

In the "Sussex Postmortem Inquisitions, 1485-1649", we find the following re: Rustington:
"#266 Thomas Cooke, Esq (died 13 Apr 11 Henry VIII (1519/20)
Taken 11 Oct 1519/20 at Arundel
• Wife Joanne
• Granddaughter, Heir Mary (b ca 1516/17) “3 yrs old” at Inquisition • Son Thomas Jr (d before 13 Apr 1519/20)
LANDS ETC
• RUSTINGTON (Moiety)
• Goring (Messuages enfeoffed to himself by deed dated 15 Apr 1512)
• Lytilhamptonn (ditto)
• Sussex
• Hampshire
• Isle of Wight
Goring lands to wife Joanne for life, then at her death + 10 years to gr-daughter Mary at her marriage"
Thomas Cooke, mrd Joanne, held a 1/2 interest (moiety) in Rustington.

From: "A history of the castles, mansions, and manors of western Sussex", by Dudley George Cary Elwes, Charles John Robinson:
MUCH of the manorial history of this parish has already been noticed under the head of Midhurst, of which barony it formed a part. It was thus included in the grant made in 1102 to Savaric Fitz Cana, and was held by the Bohuns until
* Testa de Nevill, 26 Ed. I. " John & Hubert de Wykes held one knt's fee in Wykes Rumbald, of Ralph Touny alias Tormy, who holds of the King in chief," from the Pat. & Close Rolls this appears to have been subsequently held by the Foxle family, and in

8 Hen. VI. Margaret, thew. of John Hertyngdon, Esq., remitted all her right in the M. of R. (which formerly belonged to John Foxle, knt.) with the advowson of the church of R., &c., to Thos. Foxlee, Esq.; they no doubt held under the Knts. of St. John of
Jerusalem.

the reign of Edward III., when, it appears, on the death of John de Bohun (41 Edw. III.) to have descended to his dau. Johanna, by his last wife, Isabella. She married John de L'Isle de Gatecumbe, and on the death of their son, John de L'Isle, s.p., in

1369, the manor devolved to his sisters, Elizabeth, wife of John Bramshot, and Eva, wife of Sir John Burford. A partition ensued, and the two members of the manor became known as East-court and West-court. In the Subsidy Roll, levied 13 Hen. IV. [1412,],
Thomas Haket had half the manor of Russyton, being portion of two-thirds of lands lately Walter Haket's, worth (exclusive of an annuity of ^Q6 135.4d. payable to one John Cooke), ,^13 6s. 8cl.; at same time William Bramshot had half the manor of Rustyton.
... From this entry, supported by other evidence, we gather that Sir John and Eva Burford had two daughters; one married to Walter Haket, and the other, Ellinor, married to Thomas Cooke, of Wickham. John Cooke, of Rustington, son of the latter, served as
Sheriff of Sussex twice, in 1493-4, and 1498. He left an only daughter and heir, Elizabeth, who brought this manor, i.e. West court, in u EIIZ. dowry to her husband, John Covert, of Sullington....."

How does this reconcile? Or does it?

Can Thomas m Elinor Burford be Thomas (d1520) who married Joanne d
Can Elizabeth dau of John and heir of the moiety be Mary, the granddaughter of Thomas & Joanne?

What is going on here?

Jim Cooke

There is a chronological difficulty in the second part of your quotes where they make Eva (de Lisle) Burford have a daughter Eleanor married to Thomas Cooke

John de Lisle of Gatcombe has extremely narrow dates, born 1324, died March 1349
This allows us to state that his daugher Eva was born exactly between 1343 and 1349
Then her supposed daughter Eleanor had to be born BY 1397
and then we have this woman's own son supposedly serving Sheriff as late as 1498
which stretches crudulity.

On the contrary I would direct you to

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitations_of_the_County_of_Sussex/Hy8EAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=thomas+cooke+of+%22wickham%22&pg=PA73&printsec=frontcover

which adds another generation here

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Hi,
I tried to address this in my post of Aug 14, 2022, giving some sources. (I am not going to be able to add much now, as once the academic year starts, genealogy gets more or less crowded out for me.)

The Thomas Cooke of the 1519/20 inquisition is a descendant of the earlier families. (But Elwes and all the visitations are garbled to some extent.)

Sir John de Bohun of Midhurst had by his first marriage, among other children: -Joan, who married John de Lisle of Gatcombe.
-Eva, who married (1) Sir John de Bereford (Barforth, Burford); (2) John Roucle.

Joan Roucle, a daughter of John Roucle and Eva, married John Cooke.
This John Cooke died before 1428.
His son Richard Cooke died in 1456 or later.
Richard’s son John Cooke was Sheriff of Hampshire in 1479 and 1486, and High Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex in 1494 and 1499.
The latter John’s son Thomas Cooke died 13 April 1519 and was the Thomas of the IPM.

There is a lot about the Cookes I don’t know (There a number of wills I haven’t gotten around to checking out yet), but I think this much is correct.

Roderick Ward

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)