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  • Edward Balliol

    From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 09:24:16 2021
    Wikipedia

    "Edward was the eldest son of John Balliol and Isabella de Warenne. As a child, Edward was betrothed to Isabelle of Valois, the eldest daughter of Charles Count of Valois(1271-1325) and his first wife Marguerite of Anjou(1273-1299). His father John
    resigned his title as King of Scotland in 1296, and it was likely this, that caused the King of France to break the marriage contract, and betroth Isabelle now to John son of Arthur, Duke of Brittany. "

    Is there any contemporary evidence, for why the original marriage contract to Edward was broken or ignored ?

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  • From Peter Stewart@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Thu Sep 30 08:49:15 2021
    On 30-Sep-21 2:24 AM, Will Johnson wrote:
    Wikipedia

    "Edward was the eldest son of John Balliol and Isabella de Warenne. As a child, Edward was betrothed to Isabelle of Valois, the eldest daughter of Charles Count of Valois(1271-1325) and his first wife Marguerite of Anjou(1273-1299). His father John
    resigned his title as King of Scotland in 1296, and it was likely this, that caused the King of France to break the marriage contract, and betroth Isabelle now to John son of Arthur, Duke of Brittany."

    Is there any contemporary evidence, for why the original marriage contract to Edward was broken or ignored ?


    The betrothal was part of a treaty agreed in October 1295 between the
    kings of France (the girl's paternal uncle) and Scotland (Edward's
    father), and the prospective bride was not named in it, just "a daughter
    of my brother" ("filiam germani nostri" - Charles of Valois had two or
    three daughters born by that time, and although presumably the one in
    question would have been understood as the eldest, Isabelle, this was
    not explicit).

    The treaty, including this matrimonial aspect, would obviously not
    remain binding after John abdicated in the summer of 1296. The text is
    given in Bower's 'Scotichronicon'.

    Peter Stewart

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  • From Peter Stewart@21:1/5 to Peter Stewart on Thu Sep 30 09:06:00 2021
    On 30-Sep-21 8:49 AM, Peter Stewart wrote:
    On 30-Sep-21 2:24 AM, Will Johnson wrote:
    Wikipedia

    "Edward was the eldest son of John Balliol and Isabella de Warenne. As
    a child, Edward was betrothed to Isabelle of Valois, the eldest
    daughter of Charles Count of Valois(1271-1325) and his first wife
    Marguerite of Anjou(1273-1299). His father John resigned his title as
    King of Scotland in 1296, and it was likely this, that caused the King
    of France to break the marriage contract, and betroth Isabelle now to
    John son of Arthur, Duke of Brittany."

    Is there any contemporary evidence, for why the original marriage
    contract to Edward was broken or ignored ?


    The betrothal was part of a treaty agreed in October 1295 between the
    kings of France (the girl's paternal uncle) and Scotland (Edward's
    father), and the prospective bride was not named in it, just "a daughter
    of my brother" ("filiam germani nostri" - Charles of Valois had two or
    three daughters born by that time, and although presumably the one in question would have been understood as the eldest, Isabelle, this was
    not explicit).

    Apologies, I should have looked further - a fuller text of the treaty is printed in *Foedera*, specifying the eldest daughter of Charles ("J. primogenitam filiam germani nostri"). J. here should be read as I.,
    indicating Isabelle the eldest daughter rather than Jeanne the second
    (who became the mother of Edward III's wife Philippa of Hainaut).

    Peter Stewart

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