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  • Gilbert de Glanville, 3rd Earl of Suffolk?

    From fosgate3@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 09:16:43 2022
    Good day. Does anyone have any evidence of there once being an Earl of Suffolk named Gilbert de Glanville? I find his name in a lot of family trees but the only thing I can find to indicate he was ever an Earl of Suffolk is in Records of the Anglo-Norman
    House of Glanville by William Urmston Searle Glanville-Richards, where he is identified as the "3rd Earl of Suffolk" on page 46. He supposedly lost all his lands and titles after siding with Simon de Montfort against Henry III.

    I was told by one researcher that the Glanville-Richards work is unsubstantiated and false. Initially, I did not know how to take that but after finding that I cannot discover a source anywhere else that indicates Gilbert de Glanville, or any other
    Glanville for that matter, was ever an Earl of Suffolk.

    Does anyone know of anything more? Thanks in advance for reading.

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 10:11:23 2022
    On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:16:45 AM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:
    Good day. Does anyone have any evidence of there once being an Earl of Suffolk named Gilbert de Glanville? I find his name in a lot of family trees but the only thing I can find to indicate he was ever an Earl of Suffolk is in Records of the Anglo-
    Norman House of Glanville by William Urmston Searle Glanville-Richards, where he is identified as the "3rd Earl of Suffolk" on page 46. He supposedly lost all his lands and titles after siding with Simon de Montfort against Henry III.

    I was told by one researcher that the Glanville-Richards work is unsubstantiated and false. Initially, I did not know how to take that but after finding that I cannot discover a source anywhere else that indicates Gilbert de Glanville, or any other
    Glanville for that matter, was ever an Earl of Suffolk.

    Does anyone know of anything more? Thanks in advance for reading.

    Apparently a figure made entirely out of whole cloth

    https://books.google.com/books?id=hLfQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA500&dq=ranulf+glanville+biography&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZofGG0ub1AhXrIEQIHe5qAW4Q6AF6BAhSEAI#v=onepage&q=ranulf%20glanville%20biography&f=false

    http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#_Toc36368854 https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00447152&tree=LEO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulf_de_Glanvill

    http://books.google.com/books?id=27EKAAAAYAAJ&as_brr=1&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q=&f=false

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  • From Will Johnson@21:1/5 to Will Johnson on Fri Feb 4 10:17:03 2022
    On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:11:25 AM UTC-8, Will Johnson wrote:
    On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:16:45 AM UTC-8, fosgate3 wrote:
    Good day. Does anyone have any evidence of there once being an Earl of Suffolk named Gilbert de Glanville? I find his name in a lot of family trees but the only thing I can find to indicate he was ever an Earl of Suffolk is in Records of the Anglo-
    Norman House of Glanville by William Urmston Searle Glanville-Richards, where he is identified as the "3rd Earl of Suffolk" on page 46. He supposedly lost all his lands and titles after siding with Simon de Montfort against Henry III.

    I was told by one researcher that the Glanville-Richards work is unsubstantiated and false. Initially, I did not know how to take that but after finding that I cannot discover a source anywhere else that indicates Gilbert de Glanville, or any other
    Glanville for that matter, was ever an Earl of Suffolk.

    Does anyone know of anything more? Thanks in advance for reading.
    Apparently a figure made entirely out of whole cloth

    https://books.google.com/books?id=hLfQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA500&dq=ranulf+glanville+biography&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZofGG0ub1AhXrIEQIHe5qAW4Q6AF6BAhSEAI#v=onepage&q=ranulf%20glanville%20biography&f=false

    http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntdk.htm#_Toc36368854 https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00447152&tree=LEO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranulf_de_Glanvill

    http://books.google.com/books?id=27EKAAAAYAAJ&as_brr=1&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q=&f=false


    After the famous, partly fictional book by Glanville-Richards, we have the following article which is much more skeptical

    https://books.google.com/books?id=dzQGAAAAQAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=william%20de%20vesey%20maud%20de%20glanville&pg=PA323#v=onepage&q=william%20de%20vesey%20maud%20de%20glanville&f=false

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