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  • Why does John Darcy (d. 1347) have 3 sobriquets?

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 3 18:56:09 2022
    Complete Peerage Vol. IV, 1916, page 54 describes John Darcy as :
    “John Darcy, styled le neveu and le cosyn and (long afterwards) le piere, of Knaith, Kexby and Upton co. Lincoln, s. and h. of Sir Roger Darcy of Oldcotes and Styrrup, Notts (who d. before 12 May 1284), by Isabel, da. of Sir William D’Aton, of West
    Ayton . . . . (https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/54/mode/2up?view=theater).

    Looking through documents, John Darcy is indeed called variously

    “John Darcy “le neveu”, justiciar of Ireland”
    Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: Vol 4, 1323 - 1327 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw2/vol4/pp444-450 and Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II: Vol 5, 1324 – 1327 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-ii/vol5/pp295-347

    “John Darcy “le cosyn”, justiciar of Ireland”
    Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: Vol 1, 1327 – 1330 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw3/vol1/pp519-522
    Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, Vol 5, 1340 – 1343, found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-iii/vol5/pp497-537

    “John Darcy “le piere”, then judiciary there [Ireland]”
    Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: Vol 7, 1343 – 1346 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw3/vol7/pp298-311

    Why would anyone have 3 sobriquets? Are there other examples of someone with multiple sobriquets?

    Donna Hartley

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  • From Peter Howarth@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 3 21:51:41 2022
    On Friday, 4 February 2022 at 02:56:10 UTC, [email protected] wrote:
    Complete Peerage Vol. IV, 1916, page 54 describes John Darcy as :
    “John Darcy, styled le neveu and le cosyn and (long afterwards) le piere, of Knaith, Kexby and Upton co. Lincoln, s. and h. of Sir Roger Darcy of Oldcotes and Styrrup, Notts (who d. before 12 May 1284), by Isabel, da. of Sir William D’Aton, of West
    Ayton . . . .
    (https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/54/mode/2up?view=theater).

    Looking through documents, John Darcy is indeed called variously

    “John Darcy “le neveu”, justiciar of Ireland”
    Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: Vol 4, 1323 - 1327 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw2/vol4/pp444-450 and Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II: Vol 5, 1324 – 1327 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-ii/vol5/pp295-347

    “John Darcy “le cosyn”, justiciar of Ireland”
    Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: Vol 1, 1327 – 1330 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw3/vol1/pp519-522
    Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, Vol 5, 1340 – 1343, found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-iii/vol5/pp497-537

    “John Darcy “le piere”, then judiciary there [Ireland]”
    Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: Vol 7, 1343 – 1346 found here: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw3/vol7/pp298-311

    Why would anyone have 3 sobriquets? Are there other examples of someone with multiple sobriquets?

    Donna Hartley
    These were not really sobriquets. They were just descriptions of his relationship to various other members of the Darcy family. He was the nephew ('neveu') of Norman III Darcy (d.1296) of Nocton, the senior line of Darcy, and therefore cousin ('cosyn')
    to Norman's son, Philip II, 1st Lord Darcy of Nocton (d.1333). Later on, he was seen as father ('piere') of John II, 2nd Lord Darcy of Knaith (d.1356).

    Peter Howarth

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