On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 10:10:49 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<[email protected]> wrote:
Likewise for all the counties with -shire in their names. That doesn't >>include Devon, which doesn't have -shire in its name unless you're a >>grockle (or are referring to Devonshire cream). I imagine that also
applies to Dorset; I don't think anyone is so gauche as to stick -shire
on the end of Somerset or Cornwall.
I only add -shire to the name of a county (current or ceremonial) if
name of the county town is the same as the name of the county itself,
to avoid confusion.
In the case of Gloucester, for example, you can either add -shire to
the end, or "County of" to the beginning to avoid confusion with the
city of Gloucester, but as far as I know, there is no town called
Devon, or Dorset, or Somerset, or Cornwall.
There is, however, a City of Durham, but there is no county of
Durhamshire. So it is "County Durham", as in Ireland.
Lancashire is, like Durham, a County Palatine, but is the County of
Lancaster -- as far as I know it is the only exception.
In the case of Devon, however, a cousin of mine did put in the 1911
census column which asked for citizenship that all the members of the >household were "Devonshire dumplings" and in the column that asked for >marital status that the maid was "awaiting opportunity".
(Crossposted to soc.genealogy.britain, to try to keep it alive).
Likewise for all the counties with -shire in their names. That doesn't >include Devon, which doesn't have -shire in its name unless you're a
grockle (or are referring to Devonshire cream). I imagine that also
applies to Dorset; I don't think anyone is so gauche as to stick -shire
on the end of Somerset or Cornwall.
As Devon was the name of the county in the 7th century, it is
territorially, much older than the "shires." When used as an
adjective. e.g., Devonshire cream, Devonshire cattle, the "shire"
affix may be used correctly, but when a noun is intended, "Devon" is
the correct term.
I don't think anyone is so gauche as to stick -shire
on the end of Somerset or Cornwall.
Just to throw some extra fuel on the fire: in Australia, "Devonshire"
can mean either cream or tea, but "Devon" means a certain kind of sliced sausage. In fact, it's the same meat that we called "German sausage" in
my childhood.
(Horrible stuff, but convenient when you're in a rush to prepare school sandwiches. In a similar way, "American cheese" is appropriate when
haste is more important that taste.)
On 09/07/2024 12:54, Peter Moylan wrote:
Just to throw some extra fuel on the fire: in Australia, "Devonshire"
can mean either cream or tea, but "Devon" means a certain kind of sliced sausage. In fact, it's the same meat that we called "German sausage" in
my childhood.
(Horrible stuff, but convenient when you're in a rush to prepare school sandwiches. In a similar way, "American cheese" is appropriate when
haste is more important that taste.)
I have never heard of Devon sausages in the UK? A search shows they are
sold in the UK though.
The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.
Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier
dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>
Le 08/08/2024 à 10:19, Janet a écrit :
The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.
Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier
dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>
On 09/08/2024 09:02, Hibou wrote:
Le 08/08/2024 � 10:19, Janet a �crit :
The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.
Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" - <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>
See "The Cruel Sea"
Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
On 09/08/2024 09:02, Hibou wrote:
Le 08/08/2024 à 10:19, Janet a écrit :
The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.
Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a >>> Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier
dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect
Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>
See "The Cruel Sea"
I just did.
[conversations in the wardroom]
====
Bennett's contribution lay in the realm of eating. ... He had formed an attachment for the crudest item in the wardroom store-cupboard, tinned sausages, which he knew colloquially as 'snorkers': they made an almost
daily appearance on the menu, either at lunch or dinner, and the
recurrent exclamation -'Snorkers! Good-oh!' - with which he greeted
them, sounded the knell of appetite. Then he would sit down, rub his
hands, help himself liberally to Worcester sauce, and go to with a will.
In fishing circles he would have been described as a coarse feeder.
===
BTW, this is officer feed. The men must have gotten worse,
On 09/08/2024 09:02, Hibou wrote:
Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have
a Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an
earlier dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English
Dialect Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet,
related to the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>
See "The Cruel Sea"
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