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Rod, Jim and others:
There was a lot of "Irish movement" through the
west indies throughout the colonial period. In the
17th one of the largest followed the progress of
the Penn and Venables fleet (see "The Western
Design") from Barbados through the Leewards to
Santo Domingue and later the resultant capture of
Jamaica (Winter -Spring 1654-55) here's a quote
from a nice summary of the fiasco:
"The fleet of eighteen warships and twenty
transport vessels set sail from Portsmouth on
Christmas Day 1654 and arrived at Barbados a month
later. Between three and four thousand additional
troops were raised from volunteers among the
indentured servants and freemen in the colonies of
Barbados, Montserrat, Nevis and St Kitts to make
the numbers of the five original regiments up to
1,000 men each and to form a sixth regiment. The
troop numbers looked impressive, but they were
untrained and badly disciplined. Furthermore,
supplies were running low and the joint commanders
Penn and Venables were arguing with one another.
Morale among the soldiers sank lower still when
the civilian commissioners stipulated that they
were not to plunder the Spanish colonies they were
about to attack but rather to preserve them intact
for subsequent English colonisation." {from
website below}
http://bcw-project.org/military/anglo-spanish-war/
western-design
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Any general statements pertaining to Who were the
servants in the islands during any given decade
must be qualified carefully by time in question
because changes between 1640 and 1740 were quite
dramatic (involving what could be called class
migration through the developing islands in search
of open opportunity be it available land or
mercantile/trade all driven by the Sugar
Revolution as it forced changes in settlement
patterns and land development). Despite some very
dramatic material on the net, the majority were
Not convicts though plenty were.
Indentured service was a common means to secure a
place for much of the landless(including the
burgeoning middle class!) in England, Ireland and
Scotland. Many of the Irish for instance
gravitated to Montserrat and many of those were
landholders formerly lesser gentry from the Irish
wars. There were in fact Irish freemen on most of
the islands and there were also Irish landholders
as well. One of the reasons for distrust was their
divergent politics and consequent allegiances
which were by No means consistent. So they were
handled with care and general suspicion in
difficult times as many (on St Kitts for instance)
would throw in with the French one day and the
English another. They did not act as a block nor
did they all share the same politics generally.
But when the chips were down there always seemed
to be a bunch of Irishmen in whatever bunch took
Barbuda for a week or went over to the French on
St. Kitts or turned a privateer pirate etc.
There were plenty who were individually loyal as
well. Because of this and generally bad ethnic
relations the English gave the Irish in bad
character ratings often...
After the Venables fleet the movement of landless
people whether irish or not tended to move down
the leewards and off to Jamaica. Jamaica was wide
open to all sorts of things (privateering and
piracy being two major attractions) Later after
the Port Royal earthquake a lot of "immigrants"
chose indentures or passages to the mainland where
the servant bond more consistently was land. Those
who managed to procure land or a trade more often
stayed where they were.
There were complaints from most of the island
governors that servants had deserted in droves
whenever a fleet passed through. But the Venables
fleet was the big one on that score and thereafter
the big movement of people was towards Jamaica.
Cod
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Now that's the sort of thing I am after, Jack. We
know that a lot of folk left Barbados in the 17th
century to go to Virginia so yours are potentially
one of those.
Follow up question is how important is your Irish
heritage to you? Just an academic exercise or
more than that?
Pleased for you to have a look at The O'Donoghue
Society site but it is solely O'Donoghue related
whereas Jim's is much more all-encompassing.
Thanks for your contribution. Am hoping more folk
will join in this discussion.
Cheers
Rod
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:04:18 -0800
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Dear Rod and Jim,
It?s only so often that someone breaks loose a
topic here that pulls me in, but this one has.
My first recorded immigrant in America was Charles
(I) Fallin [the spelling didn?t fully settle down
until the next generation] who purchased property
in Northumberland County, VA in 1671.
My potential Caribbean leads include:
1. 1641, BARBADOS, MONTSERRAT:
Letter written at Walham [Waltham] Abbey 12th Oct.
1641 from James, 2nd Earl of Carlisle to Gov.
[Henry] Ashton of Barbados:
[Postscript] "there is one Dan?l Fallan of
Monserrat with 3 others (wherof Fallan his wife
hath addressed her self by peticon here unto me)
who along tyme hath stood under Govnor Brisket's
censure for a consperacy of Capt.
Ayleworth, wch busines I have advise[d] Mr.
Brisket to end him selfe without further trouble.
But if not I do pray & authorize yor selfe to
take cognizance hereof upon any of the p?ties
addresses to you & to pray Mr Birket & all the
p?ty to declare the truth & state of these matters
unto you and that you end or order the same
betwixt them sch. If not observed then that you
would certifye me I have written to this purpose
to Mr. Brisket doubting some practize agt. Fallon
whom I would willingly have repayred yf you finde
cause in all p'ticulars of his censure I pray
informe yor self well herein."
2. 1655, MONTSERRAT
February 7, 1655. Mentions a planter named Daniel
Fallon of Montserrat as purchasing goods in 1643,
for which money is still owed.
Peter Wilson Coldham, The Complete Book of
Emigrants, Vol. 1, 1607-1660,
Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore. (1987), p.
284. Oliver ed.,
Caribbeana, Mitchell Hughes & Clark, London
(1914), Vol III, p. 319.
3. 1662, BARBADOS:
?Barbados Wills ?
Fellon, William ?"
Oliver, Caribbeana, Vol IV, Mitchell Hughes and
Clark, London (1916), p.
219.
ABSTRACT
?FELLON, William RB6/15, p. 211
Dep, 4 Nov 1662, John Danyell, age 45; About 10
days before William Fellon died he came to Walter
Poore. Being very sick, he bequeathed to his wf &
chn & his kinsm Dennis Fellon?
Sanders, Wills & Administratons, Vol I.
(1639-1680), p. 211.
e-Correspondence from Ernest Wiltshire 11/26/2016.
1680, BARBADOS:
St. Andrews Parish:
ANDREW FALLIN [and] 1 Negro
?
ANDREW FOLLYN [and] 1 Negro [with] 26 Acres.
Also lists 1 Christening (of ANDREW) and 1 Burial.
Hotten, The Original Lists of Persons of Quality
etc., Hotten, London (1874), pp. 470, 471. NOTE:
These two names likely refer to the same person
and they correspond to the Andrew Follin whose
will was later probated in 1694.
It appears that you have both run down more
sources than I?ve been able to find, so I will
definitely take a look at your separate sites.
I have gone fully down the DNA road (FTDNA - STRs,
67 and-111marker; - SNPs, Big Y & YFull; 23and Me
(standard combination) - YDNA SNPs, autosomal,
mitochondrial).
The Y DNA analysis has established my gaelic
family as ? Faol?in (most commonly Anglicized as
Phelan or Whalen). The ? Faol?in controlled an
area slightly larger than today?s County Waterford
[except for the City itself, which was Viking]
until being pushed aside by Norman invaders in
1170 AD.
The family is not the same as ?Fallon,? whose
gaelic version was Fallamhain with a territory
largely confined to the part of County Roscommon
lying between the cities of Athlone (Westmeath)and
Galway (Galway).
Jim, you need to be aware that 23andMe has changed
their formatting and no longer use the older
?R1b.. etc.? format. My original haplogroup there
was
R1b1b2a1a2f* ? now it?s the far more easily
recognized ?R-L21.? 23andMe?s SNP YDNA testing
stops way short of FTDNA's Big Y analysis. For
instance, my current terminal haplogroup, BY11097,
is nine levels below R-L21 and hits a time
estimate to last common ancestor for three of us
that?s only about a hundred years back of Charles
(I) Fallin?s time.
Jack Fallin
Walnut Creek, CA
Today's Topics:
2. Irish origins in the Caribbean (Rod
O'Donoghue)
3. Re: Irish origins in the Caribbean (Jim
Lynch)
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:36:26 +0000
From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [Carib] Irish origins in the Caribbean
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Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your
family got it? Do
you know on which islands your family lived in
the past? Do you know
any folktales about Irish-named people?
I would like to start a thread on this subject.
I have done a lot of
research on my own surname (and its variants)
and the Irish in general
in the Caribbean.
If you are not sure if your name is of Irish
origin please ask me. I
will
endeavour to answer any questions people may
have on the Irish
influence on Caribbean history and life, and I
hope to learn a lot of
new
stuff myself.
Looking forward to hearing from anyone
interested in this subject
Cheers
Rod O'Donoghue
Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and
Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
People and Places'
Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish
Folklore Centre
<https://www.odonoghue.co.uk>
https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
Email: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]
Family history:
https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:17:54 -0500
From: Jim Lynch <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>,
<
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Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the
Caribbean
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My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from
a complete and utter
lack of records of the day.
BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in
the Caribbean I did
not encounter the dastardy Sir Thomas as a
possible relative but
another Irish merchant Lynch family in Jamaica
who, upon becoming
successful beyond their wildest dreams, had kin
streaming out of
Ireland to share the wealth.
This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have
been related to Sir
Thomas. At the time the Irish were not trusted,
and were considered
sub-human, by the English - would never have
been allowed at the Royal
Court, far less receive a Royal Appointment to
either knighthood or
Governor of Jamaica, as Sir Thomas became.
When the overflow became too much to support,
some were told to seek
their fortunes elsewhere, and I discovered that
a contingent went to
Barbados, where they, too, were successful.
My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free
mulatto b.ca.1769
d.1852, who started a family with a free negro
woman named Minifred or
Menifred (both of her names are documented).
Apart from the baptisms with her named as the
mother, no other BCBMDB
(Birth, Christening, Baptism, Marriage, Death,
Burial) records for
Barbados (that I can find) contain any
references whatsoever to either
individual. Minifred just disappeared, there is
a note somewhere that
Hamlet was buried "in St. Stephens Chapel", but
there is no trace of
him anywhere at that church.
I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since
they just appeared,
started the family, and then eventually just
disappeared without
trace. There are records of Hamlet's activities
- slave ownership,
property purchases, and I also have his will,
but no official records
of primary events.
There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms
around the same time -
such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in 1776/7 - with
negro woman as
mothers, those with a Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch
as father. Hassel Lynch
was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica
Lynch Irish merchant
arrivals I referred to.
I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in
Hottens was referenced as
taking a Barque to nevis as a servant of
Codrington, but I cannot find
any link between him and the Jamaica Lynch
family.
BTW, I am in contact with three living direct
descendants of that
Jamaica Lynch family, and the one who did the
DNA test appears to be
related somehow - although I cannot afford to
have an expert examine
the evidence.
I have no documented proof of anything, so I
make no claims.
If you are not aware of it, I created the
Caribbean Surname Index as a
long-term "set and forget" resource for luring
possible family members
into making contact. This sounds like a
reasonable subject for
circulation to my 1800+ users for discussion and
response.
Registration and use by searchers and
researchers alike is free, and
because I permit no SPAM or advertising I
administrate it manually -
registration is manual and I monitor all Posts
daily to keep it
squeaky
clean.
http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php
Best wishes,
Jim Lynch
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:08:57 +0000
From: "Rod O'Donoghue" <
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To: "'Jim Lynch'" <
[email protected]>,
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Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the
Caribbean
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Jim
My research over the last 15 years started with
O'Donoghues (however spelt) in the archives and I
made contact with all those in the phone books.
Did some research for some of them as few knew
much about their family history - mainly on
Montserrat, Antigua and St Kitts. Then I moved on
to the Irish in general.
I have used Oliver and Caribbeana quite a bit and
I used Hotten's Lists in the Barbados archives
(there were O'Donoghues) - Omitted Chapters I am
not sure. Will go over the others in the BHMS
next visit, so thanks for that.
Sir Thomas appears to have been born in Kent, so
English as you say, actually probably
Anglo-Norman, de Lench. The Lynches were perhaps
the most important of the Tribes of Galway and
there must be records of where they went in the
Caribbean. O'Callaghan calls him an Irishman,
probably assumed so.
I imagine that you aware of the origin of the
Lynch name and its importance in Ireland? Don't
want to waste your time. If not, I will transmit.
"Research Specialties - Irish in the Caribbean"
sounds good
My hope with this thread is to see how far people
feel/know that they have an Irish heritage and how
they support that feeling/knowledge (family
history). From that I can explore how important
it is to them. I remember Sir Howard Fergus
saying to me that African origins are most
people's focus and I would like to test that.
And also how far Irish influences are incorporated
in Caribbean folktales.
This might need a separate thread? There is an
Irish folktale about Jamaica, so I am hoping there
are ones going the other way.
Good luck with your airline project.
Cheers
Rod
Sorry to repeat, Jim, I should have pressed Reply
all
Rod O'Donoghue
Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and
Legend' and 'O'Donoghue People and Places'
Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish
Folklore Centre
https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
Email:
[email protected]
Family history:
https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/
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From: Rod O'Donoghue [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: 12 December 2017 20:24
To: 'Jim Lynch' <
[email protected]>;
'
[email protected]'
<
[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Carib] Irish origins in the
Caribbean
Good to 'meet' you, Jim. I recognise the Lynch
name as one of the Tribes of Galway adventurers
and Sir Thomas is also a character I am very aware
of.
Lynch is an early name historically.
During my research into historical records in many
islands I have made a point of noting every Irish
surname I have found. I am in the process of
building a table from these and identifying where
each name is most likely to have come from in
Ireland. Lynch appears in Jamaica, Antigua and
Montserrat so far - long way to go through my
notes yet.
In The O'Donoghue Society we run a yDNA programme
with 287 participants. I have been trying to get
a Caribbean resident O'Donoghue (however spelt,
there are over 500 variants) to do the test
without success so far. My goal is to see whether
some folk of the name carry recognisable Irish
markers.
We use FTDNA and I note that they have a Lynch
project with 197 participants.
I was not aware of your site - what a fantastic
piece of work and resource.
I will spend some proper time going over all the
Irish context material there. I would certainly
like to sign on with my project. We both
administer our web site efforts (I also allow no
SPAM/advertising) singlehandedly so I know what it
is like. Your guidance on how to structure a
thread(s) on your site to achieve my goals would
be much appreciated.
I spend regular time each year in the Caribbean.
These days, with my advancing years, I stay in
Barbados but over time I have visited over two
dozen islands.
Let's keep this dialogue going
Cheers
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lynch
[mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: 12 December 2017 19:18
To:
[email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Carib] Irish origins in the
Caribbean
My research is blocked by a "brick wall" - from a
complete and utter lack of records of the day.
BUT, when I researched the Lynch family name in
the Caribbean I did not encounter the dastardy Sir
Thomas as a possible relative but another Irish
merchant Lynch family in Jamaica who, upon
becoming successful beyond their wildest dreams,
had kin streaming out of Ireland to share the
wealth.
This other Jamaica Lynch family could not have
been related to Sir Thomas.
At the time the Irish were not trusted, and were
considered sub-human, by the English - would never
have been allowed at the Royal Court, far less
receive a Royal Appointment to either knighthood
or Governor of Jamaica, as Sir Thomas became.
When the overflow became too much to support, some
were told to seek their fortunes elsewhere, and I
discovered that a contingent went to Barbados,
where they, too, were successful.
My "brick wall" is Hamlet Mayers Lynch, a free
mulatto b.ca.1769 d.1852, who started a family
with a free negro woman named Minifred or Menifred
(both of her names are documented).
Apart from the baptisms with her named as the
mother, no other BCBMDB (Birth, Christening,
Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial) records for
Barbados (that I can find) contain any references
whatsoever to either individual.
Minifred just disappeared, there is a note
somewhere that Hamlet was buried "in St. Stephens
Chapel", but there is no trace of him anywhere at
that church.
I call them the "spaceship" relatives, since they
just appeared, started the family, and then
eventually just disappeared without trace. There
are records of Hamlet's activities - slave
ownership, property purchases, and I also have his
will, but no official records of primary events.
There are several new Hamlet Lynch baptisms around
the same time - such as Hamlet Fairchild Lynch in
1776/7 - with negro woman as mothers, those with a
Hassel/Hasel/Hazel Lynch as father. Hassel Lynch
was third or fourth generation from the Jamaica
Lynch Irish merchant arrivals I referred to.
I do know there was a Nicholas Lynch who in
Hottens was referenced as taking a Barque to nevis
as a servant of Codrington, but I cannot find any
link between him and the Jamaica Lynch family.
BTW, I am in contact with three living direct
descendants of that Jamaica Lynch family, and the
one who did the DNA test appears to be related
somehow
- although I cannot afford to have an expert
examine the evidence.
I have no documented proof of anything, so I make
no claims.
If you are not aware of it, I created the
Caribbean Surname Index as a long-term "set and
forget" resource for luring possible family
members into making contact. This sounds like a
reasonable subject for circulation to my
1800+ users for discussion and response.
Registration and use by
1800+ searchers
and researchers alike is free, and because I
permit no SPAM or advertising I administrate it
manually - registration is manual and I monitor
all Posts daily to keep it squeaky clean.
http://www.candoo.com/surnames/index.php
Best wishes,
Jim Lynch
--
On 12/12/2017 01:36 PM, Rod O'Donoghue wrote:
Do you have an Irish name? Do you know how your
family got it? Do
you know on which islands your family lived in
the past? Do you know
any folktales about Irish-named people?
I would like to start a thread on this subject.
I have done a lot of
research on my own surname (and its variants)
and the Irish in general
in the Caribbean.
If you are not sure if your name is of Irish
origin please ask me. I
will
endeavour to answer any questions people may
have on the Irish
influence on Caribbean history and life, and I
hope to learn a lot of
new stuff myself.
Looking forward to hearing from anyone
interested in this subject
Cheers
Rod O'Donoghue
Author of 'Heroic Landscapes: Irish Myth and
Legend' and 'O'Donoghue
People and Places'
Founder of The O'Donoghue Society and The Irish
Folklore Centre
<https://www.odonoghue.co.uk>
https://www.odonoghue.co.uk
Email: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]
Family history:
https://ballyduffodonoghue.blogspot.co.uk/
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