Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you well
and sorry this is long.



I have had an otherwise uneventful week and a few hours ago
blundered into what is likely to become a new and unpleasant
experience in my long apprenticehip in History and Genealogy..



There is a distant relative (and mean really distant) who has an
amusing blogsite called "Genesurfing" adventures in Genealogy.



https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/thomas-codrington-s heriff-of-new-york/



I have seen his site a few times but did not spend much
time on it as I was happy to see another person working on the
Codrington family stuff particularly the issues in England not
the Carib episodes and such. The presentation is nice and he's
sharp and he was doin his homework so Yay History! Etc



Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had ventured
into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons in the
America, comparative study of existing Gen in the Americas) and
obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled into the
internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my articles
on various things and my own website. So we had a short
correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand
what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about
it and got busy at work so that was the end of it.



Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and reading
his analysis of somethings with great interest and then shift to
all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin reading it in
detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600 on and is
touching on all my pet projects and theorys including the topics
of various articles I wrote and somethings that really are
important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its basically
lifted from work and some of these theories are just NOT common
topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did not exist
anywhere written down.

So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as
follows:





Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are presenting
on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and the comments
on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica Codringtons is
gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I see not one iota
of new information which cannot be shown to have been written in
various forms in correspondence or websites, genealogy boards
etc etc by me prior to 2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or
acknowledgement as would be customary in fair use of another's
work. It is plagiarism pure and simple. I'm not in the habit of
tackling people for this kind of thing but you are going way too
far sir. You are co opting my work and research.



The material I speak of is well known to other people in the
Carib history and genealogy circles online the result of hard
work since 1995. In addition to which on a personal note you
showed some serious cheek ascribing William Codrington's birth
to Maudlin Moraine as "of a slave" when in fact there is no
definitive proof either way and the theory was first presented
by me via the Historical Society of the Museum of Antigua and
Barbuda in the '90's and printed in their Bulletin. There are a
variety of ways Maudlin can be explained along with the language
of the bequests themselves It is far from a simple issue to
settle if indeed settlement will be possible. But this was an
issue publicized and broadcast solely by me. Prior to my
research and the material assembled by me the bequests noted in
the two Christopher's wills had been glossed over and given
virtually no thought by serious history folk. Comparative study
of the Codrington family resident in the West Indies was frankly
shoddy at best largely because the lesser members were mere play
pieces in the constructs hung upon the two Christophers and
tangential political cant. Only recently two otherwise
interesting historians have given accounts of the family that
omit the first Christopher to settle Barbados and show no
understanding of the workings of the co-partnership which was
largely responsible for their wealth circa 1710.

I did not wish you anything but good will until I started
reading your site seriously today and recognized myself in
nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared
William Codrington of Jamaica the son of a slave and that went
too far. How glib! There is not enough time to articulate all
the arguments against that likelihood.... Thus far actually

there is no evidence to support that assertion and alot to
refute it though I have pursued the issue with candor and a
genuine desire to learn truth. Christopher I think you owe me
acknowledgement on the research and material you so glibly
published in your own name. Be that as it may I owed it to
myself to speak up about it you went too far.

Christopher M Codrington

7/11/2017



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So now I am waiting for the" boom" One reason this really got me
going is that somebody else has scooped my work and he's too big
to mess with and was fairly intelligent in skirting the
boundaries of "p"..



Some of you have been in the game along time.what do you think?
Was I nuts? Is this the final step into delusion and senility?

Laura, Ernest, Madeleine?

ChrisCod

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Bravo Chris: you have done the right thing: I applaud you for speaking
out publicly and am behind you one hundred percent.
I have had two such nasty & experiences with relatives, close and far,
who have got hold of my research material.
In one case I foolishly shared a GEDCOM family file (something I have
since then ceased to do) and posted the whole thing online as his own work!
In another case, a close relative surreptitiously gained access to the research I was doing with another cousin, & submitted it in its
entirety to the LDS in Salt Lake City as his own work: it was an early
working file, riddled with uncorrected errors, and I have never been
able to have it removed from the internet. He got quite a blast from me
I can tell you.
But I learnt my lesson: I have never had any more dealings with either
of them and I am very careful about what I share and with whom.

Fortunately, there are many reputable researchers and authors who I have assisted in their work, and without exception they have not only
acknowledged my contributions, but have thanked me in the forewords,
footnotes or bibliographies; some of the academics have even been so
kind as to send me offprints of their papers from academic journals, or complimentary copies of their books.

C.A. (Cheryl?) Quinn is absolutely correct in stating so eleoquently:

/"Plagiarism is more than just using another's written words without attribution. It's also presenting another's ideas as one's own original thoughts".

/Unfortunately, along with the internet has come the widespread attitude
that is causing so much hardship for writers, artists, performers, photographers (I am one): those who see nothing wrong with stealing
others' work/, /because theft is what it really is.

So once again Chris, Bravo!
Ernest/
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_On 2017-07-11 8:23 PM, Chris Codrington wrote:
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Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you well and sorry this is long. I have had an otherwise uneventful week and a few hours ago blundered into what is likely to become a new and unpleasant experience in my long apprenticehip in

History and Genealogy..

....
Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had ventured into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons in the America, comparative study of existing Gen in the Americas) and obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled into the

internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my articles on various things and my own website. So we had a short correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about it and
got busy at work so that was the end of it.

Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and reading his analysis of somethings with great interest and then shift to all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin reading it in detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600 on and

is touching on all my pet projects and theorys including the topics of various articles I wrote and somethings that really are important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its basically lifted from work and some of these theories are just NOT common
topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did not exist anywhere written down.

So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as follows:
Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are presenting on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and the comments on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica Codringtons is gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I see not one iota

of new information which cannot be shown to have been written in various forms in correspondence or websites, genealogy boards etc etc by me prior to 2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or as would be customary in fair use of another's work. It is
plagiarism pure and simple. I'm not in the habit of tackling people for this kind of thing but you are going way too far sir. You are co opting my work and research.

.....
I did not wish you anything but good will until I started reading your site seriously today and recognized myself in nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared ... Christopher I think you owe me acknowledgement on the research and

material you so glibly published in your own name. Be that as it may I owed it to myself to speak up about it you went too far.

Christopher M Codrington
7/11/2017

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The most awkward thing, even though it does not anger in quite the same
way, is when you are quoted as author but misquoted. Dysplagiarism?
John Weiss

On 12/07/2017 15:52, Ernest Wiltshire wrote:

Bravo Chris: you have done the right thing: I applaud you for speaking
out publicly and am behind you one hundred percent.

[ ... ]

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"The most awkward thing, even though it does not anger in quite
the same way, is when you are quoted as author but misquoted.
Dysplagiarism?
John Weiss"

Indeed John....which is why it is a good policy to ask people to
do submissions for approval even if it could be misconstrued as
haughty!
Point well taken!

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Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 11:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Carib] awkward topic: plagiarism and due
recognition

The most awkward thing, even though it does not anger in quite
the same way, is when you are quoted as author but misquoted.
Dysplagiarism?
John Weiss

On 12/07/2017 15:52, Ernest Wiltshire wrote:

Bravo Chris: you have done the right thing: I applaud you for

speaking

out publicly and am behind you one hundred percent.

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In response to mReilly, Cheryl Quinn, and Ernest

Thank you for your supportive feedback. My natural response was
to swallow hard and not raise any hell! Anyway, yeah I felt it
right to say something this time. I appreciate your opinions
very much, thank you.

A friend pointed out that if anything nasty happened in
response, the one good thing of having my Carib-L
correspondences of the past 17 years splashed all over the net
is that time stamps are on everything and in "source" the
original stamps show up no matter what. That serves as a body of
proof quite nicely.
Incidentally this hoohah did not pertain so much to my gedcoms
or tree work as to story lines and analysis of how these people
operated who they knew, and my attempts to do a reappraisal of
the material printed and disseminated over the past about the
family at large. Though Ernest I also has someone take my
gedcoms and deposit them in all sorts of places when they
were/are still far from ready for prime time!

Some of the people involved feature often in general Carib
history and it is amazing how bad some of that history is! Half
the websites providing information on those Governors (for
instance) routinely recite sources which are wrong. Two recent
books that deal with them in depth (along with many others)
repeat these errors. Some of this is due to a long failure of
historians to recognize family history as a usefull element in
their own work.. Family and commercial nets were pervasive in
the past and far more influential than now. How do you know that
a William is the William son of William when there's so many
Williams in St. John? (hee hee)
But I think in fairness a lot of the writing is varnish for
tourism more than genuine record keeping and it gets mixed up
with the serious stuff because historians in the past tended to
be quite dismissive of family history as pertinent to their "science"....Frankly it's all gumbo in the information stream.

After all my reason for starting all this is that after a
childhood of listening to these marvelous stories by the
fireside, I looked over the paperwork while cleaning up my
parents possessions and said to myself "this doesn't sound
right" hell it was wonky! Since then it's been my pleasure to
learn how to learn and how to research the lives of people and
in so doing like many of you I was lucky enough to answer a few
private questions as well.

In my mind I am lucky to have some sort of trail to follow when
so many have so much less to guide them... but what actually has
made it interesting are the unknowns and the regular folk along
the way.


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[mailto:caribbean-bounces+cmcod=[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Ernest Wiltshire
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Carib] awkward topic: plagiarism and due
recognition

Bravo Chris: you have done the right thing: I applaud you for
speaking out publicly and am behind you one hundred percent.
I have had two such nasty & experiences with relatives, close
and far, who have got hold of my research material.
In one case I foolishly shared a GEDCOM family file (something I
have since then ceased to do) and posted the whole thing online
as his own work!
In another case, a close relative surreptitiously gained access
to the research I was doing with another cousin, & submitted
it in its entirety to the LDS in Salt Lake City as his own work:
it was an early working file, riddled with uncorrected errors,
and I have never been able to have it removed from the internet.
He got quite a blast from me I can tell you.
But I learnt my lesson: I have never had any more dealings with
either of them and I am very careful about what I share and with
whom.

Fortunately, there are many reputable researchers and authors
who I have assisted in their work, and without exception they
have not only acknowledged my contributions, but have thanked me
in the forewords, footnotes or bibliographies; some of the
academics have even been so kind as to send me offprints of
their papers from academic journals, or complimentary copies of
their books.

C.A. (Cheryl?) Quinn is absolutely correct in stating so
eleoquently:

/"Plagiarism is more than just using another's written words
without attribution. It's also presenting another's ideas as
one's own original thoughts".

/Unfortunately, along with the internet has come the widespread
attitude that is causing so much hardship for writers, artists,
performers, photographers (I am one): those who see nothing
wrong with stealing others' work/, /because theft is what it
really is.

So once again Chris, Bravo!
Ernest/
///_
_On 2017-07-11 8:23 PM, Chris Codrington wrote:
extracts

Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you

well and sorry this is long. I have had an otherwise uneventful
week and a few hours ago blundered into what is likely to become
a new and unpleasant experience in my long apprenticehip in
History and Genealogy..

....
Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had

ventured into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons
in the America, comparative study of existing Gen in the
Americas) and obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled
into the internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my
articles on various things and my own website. So we had a short
correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand
what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about
it and got busy at work so that was the end of it.

Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and

reading his analysis of somethings with great interest and then
shift to all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin
reading it in detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600
on and is touching on all my pet projects and theorys including
the topics of various articles I wrote and somethings that
really are important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its
basically lifted from work and some of these theories are just
NOT common topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did
not exist anywhere written down.

So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as

follows:

Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are

presenting on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and
the comments on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica
Codringtons is gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I
see not one iota of new information which cannot be shown to
have been written in various forms in correspondence or
websites, genealogy boards etc etc by me prior to
2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or as would be customary in
fair use of another's work. It is plagiarism pure and simple.
I'm not in the habit of tackling people for this kind of thing
but you are going way too far sir. You are co opting my work
and research.

.....
I did not wish you anything but good will until I started

reading your site seriously today and recognized myself in
nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared ...
Christopher I think you owe me acknowledgement on the research
and material you so glibly published in your own name. Be that
as it may I owed it to myself to speak up about it you went too
far.

Christopher M Codrington
7/11/2017

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On Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:36:55 UTC+1, Chris Codrington wrote:

Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you well
and sorry this is long.

I have had an otherwise uneventful week and a few hours ago
blundered into what is likely to become a new and unpleasant
experience in my long apprenticehip in History and Genealogy..

There is a distant relative (and mean really distant) who has an
amusing blogsite called "Genesurfing" adventures in Genealogy.

https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/thomas-codrington-s heriff-of-new-york/

I have seen his site a few times but did not spend much
time on it as I was happy to see another person working on the
Codrington family stuff particularly the issues in England not
the Carib episodes and such. The presentation is nice and he's
sharp and he was doin his homework so Yay History! Etc

Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had ventured
into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons in the
America, comparative study of existing Gen in the Americas) and
obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled into the
internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my articles
on various things and my own website. So we had a short
correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand
what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about
it and got busy at work so that was the end of it.

Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and reading
his analysis of somethings with great interest and then shift to
all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin reading it in
detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600 on and is
touching on all my pet projects and theorys including the topics
of various articles I wrote and somethings that really are
important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its basically
lifted from work and some of these theories are just NOT common
topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did not exist
anywhere written down.

So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as
follows:

Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are presenting
on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and the comments
on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica Codringtons is
gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I see not one iota
of new information which cannot be shown to have been written in
various forms in correspondence or websites, genealogy boards
etc etc by me prior to 2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or
acknowledgement as would be customary in fair use of another's
work. It is plagiarism pure and simple. I'm not in the habit of
tackling people for this kind of thing but you are going way too
far sir. You are co opting my work and research.

The material I speak of is well known to other people in the
Carib history and genealogy circles online the result of hard
work since 1995. In addition to which on a personal note you
showed some serious cheek ascribing William Codrington's birth
to Maudlin Moraine as "of a slave" when in fact there is no
definitive proof either way and the theory was first presented
by me via the Historical Society of the Museum of Antigua and
Barbuda in the '90's and printed in their Bulletin. There are a
variety of ways Maudlin can be explained along with the language
of the bequests themselves It is far from a simple issue to
settle if indeed settlement will be possible. But this was an
issue publicized and broadcast solely by me. Prior to my
research and the material assembled by me the bequests noted in
the two Christopher's wills had been glossed over and given
virtually no thought by serious history folk. Comparative study
of the Codrington family resident in the West Indies was frankly
shoddy at best largely because the lesser members were mere play
pieces in the constructs hung upon the two Christophers and
tangential political cant. Only recently two otherwise
interesting historians have given accounts of the family that
omit the first Christopher to settle Barbados and show no
understanding of the workings of the co-partnership which was
largely responsible for their wealth circa 1710.

I did not wish you anything but good will until I started
reading your site seriously today and recognized myself in
nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared
William Codrington of Jamaica the son of a slave and that went
too far. How glib! There is not enough time to articulate all
the arguments against that likelihood.... Thus far actually

there is no evidence to support that assertion and alot to
refute it though I have pursued the issue with candor and a
genuine desire to learn truth. Christopher I think you owe me
acknowledgement on the research and material you so glibly
published in your own name. Be that as it may I owed it to
myself to speak up about it you went too far.

Christopher M Codrington

7/11/2017

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++end panygyric!

So now I am waiting for the" boom" One reason this really got me
going is that somebody else has scooped my work and he's too big
to mess with and was fairly intelligent in skirting the
boundaries of "p"..

Some of you have been in the game along time.what do you think?
Was I nuts? Is this the final step into delusion and senility?

Laura, Ernest, Madeleine?

ChrisCod

Happens all the time! Once you post something on the internet you lose it. But its a question of good manners as I see it. Why would any civilised person not want to give credit to the source? Common courtesy. Keith

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Dear fellow searchers,
I have read your posts (I pasted them all below) with much interest; all of them are strong. May I add some ideas to think on?

First, while plagiarism can’t be prevented, here’s what I’ve had modest success with:
-Putting my copyright at the top of the page instead of the bottom, right alongside my byline, also prominently displayed, with a note that says please ask for permission to use the material and an invitation to link to my page.
-Putting alongside the above the citation wording that I want them to use when giving me credit for the work.

Second, LOL, I troubled for several years over a mysterious person who kept coming up in various online family trees. Both forename and surname were always misspelled in the same way, but I could never find this person in any documentation. Finally, I
tracked down the perpetrator--who admitted he had tucked the mystery person into his tree for the sole purpose of tracking who was plagiarizing his tree!

Third, one cannot lay claim to general knowledge. For example, the fact that Edward Bulwer-Lytton was born May 25, 1803, in London can’t be plagiarized simply because it can’t be owned, no matter who originally dug out that fact. That said, one can
definitely copyright an essay of original ideas that mentions his birth. (If I’ve piqued your interest, visit http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/2016win.html).

Probably not of much use, but there it is.

Cheers all and happy hunting,
Laura


On Jul 11, 2017, at 8:23 PM, Chris Codrington <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you well
and sorry this is long.



I have had an otherwise uneventful week and a few hours ago
blundered into what is likely to become a new and unpleasant
experience in my long apprenticehip in History and Genealogy..



There is a distant relative (and mean really distant) who has an
amusing blogsite called "Genesurfing" adventures in Genealogy.



https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/thomas-codrington-s heriff-of-new-york/



I have seen his site a few times but did not spend much
time on it as I was happy to see another person working on the
Codrington family stuff particularly the issues in England not
the Carib episodes and such. The presentation is nice and he's
sharp and he was doin his homework so Yay History! Etc



Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had ventured
into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons in the
America, comparative study of existing Gen in the Americas) and
obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled into the
internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my articles
on various things and my own website. So we had a short
correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand
what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about
it and got busy at work so that was the end of it.



Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and reading
his analysis of somethings with great interest and then shift to
all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin reading it in
detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600 on and is
touching on all my pet projects and theorys including the topics
of various articles I wrote and somethings that really are
important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its basically
lifted from work and some of these theories are just NOT common
topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did not exist
anywhere written down.

So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as
follows:





Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are presenting
on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and the comments
on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica Codringtons is
gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I see not one iota
of new information which cannot be shown to have been written in
various forms in correspondence or websites, genealogy boards
etc etc by me prior to 2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or
acknowledgement as would be customary in fair use of another's
work. It is plagiarism pure and simple. I'm not in the habit of
tackling people for this kind of thing but you are going way too
far sir. You are co opting my work and research.



The material I speak of is well known to other people in the
Carib history and genealogy circles online the result of hard
work since 1995. In addition to which on a personal note you
showed some serious cheek ascribing William Codrington's birth
to Maudlin Moraine as "of a slave" when in fact there is no
definitive proof either way and the theory was first presented
by me via the Historical Society of the Museum of Antigua and
Barbuda in the '90's and printed in their Bulletin. There are a
variety of ways Maudlin can be explained along with the language
of the bequests themselves It is far from a simple issue to
settle if indeed settlement will be possible. But this was an
issue publicized and broadcast solely by me. Prior to my
research and the material assembled by me the bequests noted in
the two Christopher's wills had been glossed over and given
virtually no thought by serious history folk. Comparative study
of the Codrington family resident in the West Indies was frankly
shoddy at best largely because the lesser members were mere play
pieces in the constructs hung upon the two Christophers and
tangential political cant. Only recently two otherwise
interesting historians have given accounts of the family that
omit the first Christopher to settle Barbados and show no
understanding of the workings of the co-partnership which was
largely responsible for their wealth circa 1710.

I did not wish you anything but good will until I started
reading your site seriously today and recognized myself in
nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared
William Codrington of Jamaica the son of a slave and that went
too far. How glib! There is not enough time to articulate all
the arguments against that likelihood.... Thus far actually

there is no evidence to support that assertion and alot to
refute it though I have pursued the issue with candor and a
genuine desire to learn truth. Christopher I think you owe me
acknowledgement on the research and material you so glibly
published in your own name. Be that as it may I owed it to
myself to speak up about it you went too far.

Christopher M Codrington

7/11/2017



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++end panygyric!



So now I am waiting for the" boom" One reason this really got me
going is that somebody else has scooped my work and he's too big
to mess with and was fairly intelligent in skirting the
boundaries of "p"..



Some of you have been in the game along time.what do you think?
Was I nuts? Is this the final step into delusion and senility?

Laura, Ernest, Madeleine?

ChrisCod



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Thanks Laura

The website has some real gems thanks for posting the url!
Cod



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From: CARIBBEAN [mailto:caribbean-bounces+cmcod=[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 1:00 AM
To: Caribbean List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Carib] awkward topic: plagiarism and due recognition

Dear fellow searchers,
I have read your posts (I pasted them all below) with much interest; all of them are strong. May I add some ideas to think on?

First, while plagiarism can’t be prevented, here’s what I’ve had modest success with:
-Putting my copyright at the top of the page instead of the bottom, right alongside my byline, also prominently displayed, with a note that says please ask for permission to use the material and an invitation to link to my page.
-Putting alongside the above the citation wording that I want them to use when giving me credit for the work.

Second, LOL, I troubled for several years over a mysterious person who kept coming up in various online family trees. Both forename and surname were always misspelled in the same way, but I could never find this person in any documentation. Finally, I
tracked down the perpetrator--who admitted he had tucked the mystery person into his tree for the sole purpose of tracking who was plagiarizing his tree!

Third, one cannot lay claim to general knowledge. For example, the fact that Edward Bulwer-Lytton was born May 25, 1803, in London can’t be plagiarized simply because it can’t be owned, no matter who originally dug out that fact. That said, one can
definitely copyright an essay of original ideas that mentions his birth. (If I’ve piqued your interest, visit http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/2016win.html).

Probably not of much use, but there it is.

Cheers all and happy hunting,
Laura


On Jul 11, 2017, at 8:23 PM, Chris Codrington <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello fellow Carib lurkers out there. I hope this sees you well
and sorry this is long.



I have had an otherwise uneventful week and a few hours ago
blundered into what is likely to become a new and unpleasant
experience in my long apprenticehip in History and Genealogy..



There is a distant relative (and mean really distant) who has an
amusing blogsite called "Genesurfing" adventures in Genealogy.



https://genesurfing.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/thomas-codrington-s heriff-of-new-york/



I have seen his site a few times but did not spend much
time on it as I was happy to see another person working on the
Codrington family stuff particularly the issues in England not
the Carib episodes and such. The presentation is nice and he's
sharp and he was doin his homework so Yay History! Etc



Last year I read one page and was miffed because he had ventured
into my "territory" (Caribbean Cods, stray Codringtons in the
America, comparative study of existing Gen in the Americas) and
obviously had read some of the stuff which spilled into the
internet from Carib-L and Rootsweb and Ancestry and my articles
on various things and my own website. So we had a short
correspondence and the way I remember it he doesn't understand
what I'm all upset about so I said something very moderate about
it and got busy at work so that was the end of it.



Today with none of that in mind I end up on his site and reading
his analysis of somethings with great interest and then shift to
all this stuff I don't remember seeing and begin reading it in
detail. He had gone on into the Americas from 1600 on and is
touching on all my pet projects and theorys including the topics
of various articles I wrote and somethings that really are
important to me. The stuff is structure similarly its basically
lifted from work and some of these theories are just NOT common
topics anywhere and prior to my internet debut did not exist
anywhere written down.

So I got upset. I wrote him a "note" in the notes section as
follows:





Mr. Sidney this page particularly the "work" you are presenting
on Thomas Codrington of New York and New Jersey and the comments
on William Collins Codrington and Jamaica Codringtons is
gleaned from my internet work on the subject. I see not one iota
of new information which cannot be shown to have been written in
various forms in correspondence or websites, genealogy boards
etc etc by me prior to 2010....Nowhere do I see a credit or
acknowledgement as would be customary in fair use of another's
work. It is plagiarism pure and simple. I'm not in the habit of
tackling people for this kind of thing but you are going way too
far sir. You are co opting my work and research.



The material I speak of is well known to other people in the
Carib history and genealogy circles online the result of hard
work since 1995. In addition to which on a personal note you
showed some serious cheek ascribing William Codrington's birth
to Maudlin Moraine as "of a slave" when in fact there is no
definitive proof either way and the theory was first presented
by me via the Historical Society of the Museum of Antigua and
Barbuda in the '90's and printed in their Bulletin. There are a
variety of ways Maudlin can be explained along with the language
of the bequests themselves It is far from a simple issue to
settle if indeed settlement will be possible. But this was an
issue publicized and broadcast solely by me. Prior to my
research and the material assembled by me the bequests noted in
the two Christopher's wills had been glossed over and given
virtually no thought by serious history folk. Comparative study
of the Codrington family resident in the West Indies was frankly
shoddy at best largely because the lesser members were mere play
pieces in the constructs hung upon the two Christophers and
tangential political cant. Only recently two otherwise
interesting historians have given accounts of the family that
omit the first Christopher to settle Barbados and show no
understanding of the workings of the co-partnership which was
largely responsible for their wealth circa 1710.

I did not wish you anything but good will until I started
reading your site seriously today and recognized myself in
nearly every paragraph about the Americas. Then you declared
William Codrington of Jamaica the son of a slave and that went
too far. How glib! There is not enough time to articulate all
the arguments against that likelihood.... Thus far actually

there is no evidence to support that assertion and alot to
refute it though I have pursued the issue with candor and a
genuine desire to learn truth. Christopher I think you owe me
acknowledgement on the research and material you so glibly
published in your own name. Be that as it may I owed it to
myself to speak up about it you went too far.

Christopher M Codrington

7/11/2017



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++end panygyric!



So now I am waiting for the" boom" One reason this really got me
going is that somebody else has scooped my work and he's too big
to mess with and was fairly intelligent in skirting the
boundaries of "p"..



Some of you have been in the game along time.what do you think?
Was I nuts? Is this the final step into delusion and senility?

Laura, Ernest, Madeleine?

ChrisCod



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