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  • Dalua and the Amadan-Dhu ?

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to CGG on Mon Jul 4 08:44:47 2016
    On Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-6, CGG wrote:
    One of the characters in Fiona Macleod's "The Immortal Hour" is "DALUA. The Amadan-Dhu". I've checked my own library references and couldn't find anything
    about either Dalua or the Amadan-Dhu. Can anyone provide more information for me? Who is Dalua and the Amadan-Dhu?
    - Colin

    Here are some other relevant bits repeated from my queries on the Amadan--some folks here don't seem to know the Yeats and Gregory sources, so this would be useful (Several tales from Gregory here: http://www.emeraldisle.ie/amadan-dubh): and then my
    queries below

    Are you aware of collections or writers that include the Amadan Dubh beyond Augusta Gregory, William Butler Yeats, and William Sharp (aka Fiona Macleod)? I've been aiming to find more. Sharp includes the Amadan in his play The Immortal Hour (1907). Yeats
    in the Celtic Twlight has the following: “The wife of the old miller said, [. . .] the stroke of the fool is what there is no cure for [. . .] The Amadán-na-Breena we call him!’” (Yeats 113). Sharp sometimes uses the name Dalua too in short
    stories and poems such as "Dalua" where in a note he also calls him "The Dark Witless One or Fairy Fool." Also in the story "Dalua" he's "the Dark Fool": https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... Note his ability to turn objects into
    shadows and insert them into others' minds to foment madness. https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... In addition in "The Birds of Emar" (also by Sharp, just to clarify) he calls him "Amadan Dhu" who plays a song "older than the Tuatha De" and is able to render the gods mortal and change their
    shape. It's a bit of a love story suggesting possible motivations of bitterness for the Amadan, who also puts his black mark on the White Hound. https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... correspondence with a certain Dr. Goodchild, the
    professor suggests that Dalua and Dala ("sometimes found with Brat and Death") may have some connection. https://books.google.com/books?id=xp8vAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA427... But then who is Dala? There is Slighe Dala, but that tells little. http://www.
    irishidentity.com/stories/roads.htm And who is "Brat" for that matter that keeps company with "Death"? I would appreciate any further sources dealing with the Fairy Fool.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jun 19 15:19:38 2017
    I've been researching Dalua for quite a long time, I'm interested to why you are drawn to him (like me, he has been part of my life for a decade or so). Some interesting points lifted here. Since this thread is quite old, curious to see if anyone is
    still seeking him out, and what further information has been gathered.


    On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:44:48 PM UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-6, CGG wrote:
    One of the characters in Fiona Macleod's "The Immortal Hour" is "DALUA. The Amadan-Dhu". I've checked my own library references and couldn't find anything
    about either Dalua or the Amadan-Dhu. Can anyone provide more information for
    me? Who is Dalua and the Amadan-Dhu?
    - Colin

    Here are some other relevant bits repeated from my queries on the Amadan--some folks here don't seem to know the Yeats and Gregory sources, so this would be useful (Several tales from Gregory here: http://www.emeraldisle.ie/amadan-dubh): and then my
    queries below

    Are you aware of collections or writers that include the Amadan Dubh beyond Augusta Gregory, William Butler Yeats, and William Sharp (aka Fiona Macleod)? I've been aiming to find more. Sharp includes the Amadan in his play The Immortal Hour (1907).
    Yeats in the Celtic Twlight has the following: “The wife of the old miller said, [. . .] the stroke of the fool is what there is no cure for [. . .] The Amadán-na-Breena we call him!’” (Yeats 113). Sharp sometimes uses the name Dalua too in short
    stories and poems such as "Dalua" where in a note he also calls him "The Dark Witless One or Fairy Fool." Also in the story "Dalua" he's "the Dark Fool": https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... Note his ability to turn objects into
    shadows and insert them into others' minds to foment madness.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... In addition in "The Birds of Emar" (also by Sharp, just to clarify) he calls him "Amadan Dhu" who plays a song "older than the Tuatha De" and is able to render the gods mortal and change their
    shape. It's a bit of a love story suggesting possible motivations of bitterness for the Amadan, who also puts his black mark on the White Hound. https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... correspondence with a certain Dr. Goodchild, the
    professor suggests that Dalua and Dala ("sometimes found with Brat and Death") may have some connection. https://books.google.com/books?id=xp8vAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA427... But then who is Dala? There is Slighe Dala, but that tells little. http://www.
    irishidentity.com/stories/roads.htm And who is "Brat" for that matter that keeps company with "Death"? I would appreciate any further sources dealing with the Fairy Fool.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 12 11:29:51 2018
    Am Dienstag, 20. Juni 2017 00:19:39 UTC+2 schrieb [email protected]:
    I've been researching Dalua for quite a long time, I'm interested to why you are drawn to him (like me, he has been part of my life for a decade or so). Some interesting points lifted here. Since this thread is quite old, curious to see if anyone is
    still seeking him out, and what further information has been gathered.


    On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:44:48 PM UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
    On Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 12:18:01 AM UTC-6, CGG wrote:
    One of the characters in Fiona Macleod's "The Immortal Hour" is "DALUA. The
    Amadan-Dhu". I've checked my own library references and couldn't find anything
    about either Dalua or the Amadan-Dhu. Can anyone provide more information for
    me? Who is Dalua and the Amadan-Dhu?
    - Colin

    Here are some other relevant bits repeated from my queries on the Amadan--some folks here don't seem to know the Yeats and Gregory sources, so this would be useful (Several tales from Gregory here: http://www.emeraldisle.ie/amadan-dubh): and then my
    queries below

    Are you aware of collections or writers that include the Amadan Dubh beyond Augusta Gregory, William Butler Yeats, and William Sharp (aka Fiona Macleod)? I've been aiming to find more. Sharp includes the Amadan in his play The Immortal Hour (1907).
    Yeats in the Celtic Twlight has the following: “The wife of the old miller said, [. . .] the stroke of the fool is what there is no cure for [. . .] The Amadán-na-Breena we call him!’” (Yeats 113). Sharp sometimes uses the name Dalua too in short
    stories and poems such as "Dalua" where in a note he also calls him "The Dark Witless One or Fairy Fool." Also in the story "Dalua" he's "the Dark Fool": https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... Note his ability to turn objects into
    shadows and insert them into others' minds to foment madness.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... In addition in "The Birds of Emar" (also by Sharp, just to clarify) he calls him "Amadan Dhu" who plays a song "older than the Tuatha De" and is able to render the gods mortal and change
    their shape. It's a bit of a love story suggesting possible motivations of bitterness for the Amadan, who also puts his black mark on the White Hound. https://books.google.com/books?id=-scwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA414... correspondence with a certain Dr. Goodchild,
    the professor suggests that Dalua and Dala ("sometimes found with Brat and Death") may have some connection. https://books.google.com/books?id=xp8vAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA427... But then who is Dala? There is Slighe Dala, but that tells little. http://www.
    irishidentity.com/stories/roads.htm And who is "Brat" for that matter that keeps company with "Death"? I would appreciate any further sources dealing with the Fairy Fool.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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