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Iraq’s Shadow Over the Iran Debate
Peggy Noonan
June 19, 2025 6:13 pm ET

The fiery Tucker Carlson interview with Sen. Ted Cruz is the perfect distillation of the split among conservatives on Iran. And that split is
all about the unhealed wound of Iraq.
..
Everything harked back to the Iraq war. Two parts said it all. The first
has been all over social media:

Mr. Carlson: “How many people live in Iran, by the way?
Mr. Cruz: “I don’t know the population.”
Mr. Carlson: “At all?”
Mr. Cruz: “No, I don’t know the population.”
Mr. Carlson: “You don’t know the population of the country you seek to topple? . . . How could you not know that?”
Mr. Cruz: “I don’t sit around memorizing population tables.”
Mr. Carlson: “Well it’s kind of relevant because you’re calling for the overthrow of the government.”

Mr. Carlson challenged Mr. Cruz on the ethnic mix of Iran. Mr. Cruz
seemed uncertain. Mr. Carlson: “You don’t know anything about Iran.”

The second part hasn’t been so noticed.
Mr. Carlson noted Mr. Cruz supports “regime change.” “What does regime change look like in Iran?
Mr. Cruz: “Somebody else in charge.”
Mr. Carlson: “How do you get there?”
Mr. Cruz: “Look, that ultimately has to be a popular uprising from the people.”

Mr. Cruz, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, was glib, as is
his way, and didn’t seem to have thought things through. Mr. Carlson was hectoring and inconsistent. But it was all about Iraq.
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In article <[email protected]>,
ltlee1 <[email protected]> wrote:

From WSJ:
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Iraq’s Shadow Over the Iran Debate
Peggy Noonan
June 19, 2025 6:13 pm ET

The fiery Tucker Carlson interview with Sen. Ted Cruz is the perfect >distillation of the split among conservatives on Iran. And that split is
all about the unhealed wound of Iraq.
..
Everything harked back to the Iraq war. Two parts said it all. The first
has been all over social media:

Mr. Carlson: “How many people live in Iran, by the way?
Mr. Cruz: “I don’t know the population.”
Mr. Carlson: “At all?”
Mr. Cruz: “No, I don’t know the population.”
Mr. Carlson: “You don’t know the population of the country you seek to >topple? . . . How could you not know that?”
Mr. Cruz: “I don’t sit around memorizing population tables.”
Mr. Carlson: “Well it’s kind of relevant because you’re calling for the >overthrow of the government.”

Mr. Carlson challenged Mr. Cruz on the ethnic mix of Iran. Mr. Cruz
seemed uncertain. Mr. Carlson: “You don’t know anything about Iran.”

The second part hasn’t been so noticed.
Mr. Carlson noted Mr. Cruz supports “regime change.” “What does regime >change look like in Iran?
Mr. Cruz: “Somebody else in charge.”
Mr. Carlson: “How do you get there?”
Mr. Cruz: “Look, that ultimately has to be a popular uprising from the >people.”

Mr. Cruz, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, was glib, as is
his way, and didn’t seem to have thought things through. Mr. Carlson was >hectoring and inconsistent. But it was all about Iraq.

US invasions these days rarely achieve their intended goals. And even
when they do, the fallout can be huge. The Iranian government is nasty.
But this will not end well.

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[email protected] (ltlee1) wrote:

From WSJ:
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Iraq’s Shadow Over the Iran Debate
Peggy Noonan
June 19, 2025 6:13 pm ET

The fiery Tucker Carlson interview with Sen. Ted Cruz is the perfect distillation of the split among conservatives on Iran. And that split is
all about the unhealed wound of Iraq.
..
Everything harked back to the Iraq war. Two parts said it all. The first
has been all over social media:

Mr. Carlson: “How many people live in Iran, by the way?
Mr. Cruz: “I don’t know the population.”
Mr. Carlson: “At all?”
Mr. Cruz: “No, I don’t know the population.”
Mr. Carlson: “You don’t know the population of the country you seek to topple? . . . How could you not know that?”
Mr. Cruz: “I don’t sit around memorizing population tables.”
Mr. Carlson: “Well it’s kind of relevant because you’re calling for the overthrow of the government.”

Mr. Carlson challenged Mr. Cruz on the ethnic mix of Iran. Mr. Cruz
seemed uncertain. Mr. Carlson: “You don’t know anything about Iran.”

The second part hasn’t been so noticed.
Mr. Carlson noted Mr. Cruz supports “regime change.” “What does regime change look like in Iran?
Mr. Cruz: “Somebody else in charge.”
Mr. Carlson: “How do you get there?”
Mr. Cruz: “Look, that ultimately has to be a popular uprising from the people.”

Mr. Cruz, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, was glib, as is
his way, and didn’t seem to have thought things through. Mr. Carlson was hectoring and inconsistent. But it was all about Iraq.
..

What does not kill you makes you stronger.
Any idiot chief can _start_ a war.
Case Putin v. Ukraine is also worth to remember.

--
A. Filip
| A debugged program is one for which you have not yet found the
| conditions that make it fail. (Jerry Ogdin)

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Being transactional in approach, bunker busting bombs are great cards
against Iran. The question is whether Iran is willing to pay the price. Regarding Israel, the same question. What could it offer to convince
Trump to use the bombs?

Aftermath?
Trump would find a way to deal with that. He has infinite number of
media strategies for the benefit of his supporters. Unlike real
strategies media strategies have no real world constraint. Trump is the
perfect product of America's Democracy Without the People.

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In article <[email protected]>,
ltlee1 <[email protected]> wrote:

Being transactional in approach, bunker busting bombs are great cards
against Iran. The question is whether Iran is willing to pay the price. >Regarding Israel, the same question. What could it offer to convince
Trump to use the bombs?

Aftermath?
Trump would find a way to deal with that. He has infinite number of
media strategies for the benefit of his supporters. Unlike real
strategies media strategies have no real world constraint.

Trump is the perfect product of America's Democracy Without the People.

Not at all. Without the people, Trump would not be POTUS.

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