• Damien Grant Defends Israel

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 8 01:56:55 2025
    XPost: nz.politics, alt.politics.international

    Opinion piece <https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360714620/conflict-gaza-more-complicated-phill-goff-makes-out-writes-damien-grant>
    responding to Phil Goff <https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360707133/phil-goff-israel-doesnt-care-how-many-innocent-people-its-killing>
    on the ongoing killing in Gaza.

    Some of what Grant says is reasonable:

    When considering the conflict in Gaza, it is important to recall
    the context of the decision to invade and the desire of the
    government in Jerusalem to remove Hamas from power.

    Yes.

    Reasonable people may question both that objective and the
    prospect of success, but it is not correct to claim, as Olmet and
    Goff do, that it is without justification.

    Israel’s initial invasion of Gaza may have been justified, but the degeneration into wanton carnage, blockage of vital supplies, and
    ongoing suffering of civilians has gone beyond any reasonable
    definition of a proportionate response. It is not even achieving
    anything resembling any originally-stated military objective. Now it
    is just naked bloodlust. It is not weakening Hamas, it is only hurting
    and killing innocent civilians.

    A sensible interpretation of Hamas’ intention, given both its
    rocket attacks and the invasion in 2023, is the destruction of the
    Jewish homeland.

    Hamas’ willingness to negotiate with Netanyahu’s Government would seem
    to be at odds with such a conclusion. Remember, actions speak louder
    than words.

    Goff quotes the death toll, 54,000 killed, but neglects to mention
    that this is from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Ministry of Health.
    Now. This doesn’t mean that the figure is wrong, we have little
    other data to work with, but Hamas has done enough to allow us to
    question their credibility.

    Have they, indeed? Because the UN and other independent organizations
    have continued to find those figures, if anything, likely to be on the
    low side. Hamas has said that it does not count those who are merely
    reported as missing.

    Hamas and its domestic allies committed horrendous crimes against
    civilians on October 7 and failed to keep many of their hostages
    alive, with credible evidence that some were killed in captivity.

    Note the passive voice: killed by whom? More likely by Israeli attacks.
    After all, what value is a dead hostage? Also, look up the “Hannibal directive”: Israel has a stated policy of killing its own people rather
    than let them be captured to be used as hostages by the other side.

    On October 7, the IDF was firing indiscriminately at *every* vehicle
    heading for the Gaza border, regardless of whether it might be
    containing hostages or not.

    The genocide claim is inflammatory. The assertion is often
    justified by reference to the Convention on Genocide’s expansive
    definition that includes “Causing serious bodily or mental harm to
    members of the group.”

    However, in common usage the term is understood to mean [blah blah
    blah ...]

    That Convention on Genocide is not an “expansive” definition, it is an official legal one, that Israel and other UN members are a signatory
    to. They have explicitly agreed to uphold it! Yet it turns out they
    (and their supporters) go into severe denial when called to account
    for their own agreement.

    But this is part of a wider story; why is the conflict in Gaza so
    compelling? [... examples of other brutal regimes omitted ...] Yet
    it is the State of Israel that remains the focus of consistent
    attention, held to impossible standards, misinformation and
    subject to a permanent campaign of vilification.

    Ah, the old “what about the other brutal regimes” trope. It is Israel itself that claims to be different from those others: “the only
    democracy in the Middle East”, it says; “the most moral army in the world”, it trumpets. But when examples are pointed out of how it
    doesn’t live up to its own claimed ideals -- when it fact such
    examples turn out to be uncomfortably frequent, and far from
    accidental -- then the old chip on the shoulder comes out. “Why pick
    on us?” they cry.

    The existence of the state of Israel remains, for some, an
    intolerable reality.

    What is intolerable is a movement that seeks to harass or kill people
    and steal their land. Remember the Zionist slogan: “a land without a
    people, for a people without a land”. As far as the movement is
    concerned, Palestinians are not considered to be people deserving of
    being treated with ordinary human dignity. *That* is what is
    intolerable.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 8 09:42:13 2025
    XPost: nz.politics, alt.politics.international

    The huge effort taken by Hamas to have as many Gazans as possible killed[1], was well-planned.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/world-news/hamas-faces-backlash-in-gaza-after-official-dismisses-war-dead-as-material-calculations/

    Hamas faces backlash in Gaza after top official dismisses war death toll as 'price that must be
    paid'

    A fat cat senior Hamas official is facing backlash within Gaza after he claimed the growing
    Palestinian death toll is nothing more than "material calculations" for the terror group.

    In an interview that has now gone viral inside the enclave, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri, 58,
    said the latest estimates of more than 53,000 dead in Gaza are not a concern for his group, the
    Times of Israel reported.

    "The martyrs [killed in the war] — the wombs of Gaza's women will give birth to twice as many," he
    proclaimed. "This is the price that must be paid".

    [...]

    Abu Zuhri made the comments about the conditions in Gaza while living 1,100 miles away in Qatar.

    The spokesman's comments echo those of slain Hamas chief and Oct. 7 mastermind Yahya Sinwar, whose
    leaked messages revealed that he thought of the civilian casualties in Gaza as "necessary
    sacrifices."

    [1] https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

    Hamas' most common uses of human shields include ------------------------------------------------
    * Firing rockets, artillery, and mortars from or in proximity to heavily populated civilian areas, often from or near facilities which should be protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospitals,
    or mosques).

    * Locating military or security-related infrastructures such as HQs, bases, armouries, access routes, lathes or defensive positions within or in proximity to civilian areas.

    * Protecting terrorists' houses and military facilities, or rescuing terrorists who were besieged or warned by the IDF.

    * Combating the IDF from or in proximity to residential and commercial areas, including using civilians for intelligence gathering missions.

    By engaging in these acts, Hamas employs a win-win scenario: if indeed the IDF uses kinetic power, and the number of civilian causalities surges, Hamas can use that as a weapon in the lawfare it conducts. It would be able to accuse
    the IDF (and Israel) of committing war crimes, which in turn could result in the imposition of a wide array of sanctions. On the other hand, if the IDF limits
    its use of military power in Gaza to avoid collateral damage, Hamas will be less
    vulnerable to Israeli attacks, and thereby able to protect its assets while continuing to fight.

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