Am I right in saying that in the Jewish Torah Jacob is said to
have wrestled with his God whereas in the Christian Old Testament
it says he wrestled with an angel?
I believe the reference to Jacob “wrestling” with his God at night
means he negotiated with his God on behalf of all humans
in his (large, but not global) region, but over a period of
18 years, not just one night.
David Dalton wrote:
Am I right in saying that in the Jewish Torah Jacob is said to
have wrestled with his God whereas in the Christian Old Testament
it says he wrestled with an angel?
I believe the reference to Jacob “wrestling” with his God at night means he negotiated with his God on behalf of all humans
in his (large, but not global) region, but over a period of
18 years, not just one night.
It may really have been his brother Esau, which would make a lot of
sense, given their histories. Esau had reason to even the score with
Jacob, and Jacob had reason to repent for what he'd done to his brother.
On Jun 4, 2025, Henderson wrote
(in article <9oS%P.7270$[email protected]>):
David Dalton wrote:
Am I right in saying that in the Jewish Torah Jacob is said to
have wrestled with his God whereas in the Christian Old Testament
it says he wrestled with an angel?
I believe the reference to Jacob “wrestling” with his God at night means he negotiated with his God on behalf of all humans
in his (large, but not global) region, but over a period of
18 years, not just one night.
It may really have been his brother Esau, which would make a lot of
sense, given their histories. Esau had reason to even the score with
Jacob, and Jacob had reason to repent for what he'd done to his
brother.
There are other brother pairs in mythology and religious history,
including
Nisien and Efnysien
and
Lleu and Dylan
and
Cain and Abel
and probably a few more (I think a pair of Eastern European
deities is mentioned in Neil Gaiman’s novel American Gods).
My brother James is bipolar like me and is in ill health
these days but I hope to indirectly heal him (my equivalent
to Jesus’s healer special ability is matchmaking so I
can’t directly heal him) by instigating sudden evolution
which will involve healing of many.
Am I right in saying that in the Jewish Torah Jacob is said to
have wrestled with his God whereas in the Christian Old Testament
it says he wrestled with an angel?
I believe the reference to Jacob “wrestling” with his God at night
means he negotiated with his God on behalf of all humans
in his (large, but not global) region, but over a period of
18 years, not just one night.
On Jun 4, 2025, Henderson wrote
(in article <9oS%P.7270$[email protected]>):
David Dalton wrote:
Am I right in saying that in the Jewish Torah Jacob is said to
have wrestled with his God whereas in the Christian Old Testament
it says he wrestled with an angel?
I believe the reference to Jacob “wrestling” with his God at night means he negotiated with his God on behalf of all humans
in his (large, but not global) region, but over a period of
18 years, not just one night.
It may really have been his brother Esau, which would make a lot of
sense, given their histories. Esau had reason to even the score with
Jacob, and Jacob had reason to repent for what he'd done to his brother.
There are other brother pairs in mythology and religious history, including
Nisien and Efnysien
and
Lleu and Dylan
and
Cain and Abel
and probably a few more (I think a pair of Eastern European
deities is mentioned in Neil Gaiman’s novel American Gods).
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