• So Trump Wants To Destroy Hamas

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 17 06:12:58 2025
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    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Feb 16 22:35:41 2025
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaguez_incident

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Mon Feb 17 06:46:24 2025
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    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:35:41 -0800, Siri Cruise wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaguez_incident

    Quote:

    Encountering stronger-than-expected defences on Koh Tang, three
    United States Air Force helicopters were destroyed during the
    initial assault and the Marines fought a desperate day-long battle
    with the Khmer Rouge before being evacuated. The Mayaguez's crew
    were released unharmed by the Khmer Rouge shortly after the attack
    on Koh Tang began.

    So the US lost even that battle. But the Khmer Rouge felt sorry for them
    and released their guys anyway.

    Got another one? This is fun.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Feb 16 23:31:32 2025
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 22:35:41 -0800, Siri Cruise wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaguez_incident

    Quote:

    Encountering stronger-than-expected defences on Koh Tang, three
    United States Air Force helicopters were destroyed during the
    initial assault and the Marines fought a desperate day-long battle
    with the Khmer Rouge before being evacuated. The Mayaguez's crew
    were released unharmed by the Khmer Rouge shortly after the attack
    on Koh Tang began.

    So the US lost even that battle. But the Khmer Rouge felt sorry for them
    and released their guys anyway.

    Got another one? This is fun.


    The last Indian war.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Alcatraz>

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  • From Michael Ejercito@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Mon Feb 17 07:41:41 2025
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    Surrender is not an option.


    Michael

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  • From Knobby@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 17 16:54:29 2025
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    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    If it's like Ukraine or Afghanistan, Trump has his surrender pen primed and ready to sign the papers.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Mon Feb 17 14:12:16 2025
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 23:31:32 -0800, Siri Cruise wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    The last Indian war.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Alcatraz>

    Man, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Is the only way the US can win a war is to fight it against its own unarmed citizens?

    What hope does this offer to your hopes of destroying Hamas?


    I hope to destroy hamas? Why?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Mon Feb 17 21:43:15 2025
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    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 23:31:32 -0800, Siri Cruise wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    The last Indian war.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Alcatraz>

    Man, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Is the only way
    the US can win a war is to fight it against its own unarmed citizens?

    What hope does this offer to your hopes of destroying Hamas?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Michael Ejercito on Mon Feb 17 21:40:41 2025
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    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 07:41:41 -0800, Michael Ejercito wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    Surrender is not an option.

    Vietnam, 1975.

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  • From mxplztylc@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Mon Feb 17 15:16:36 2025
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    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 14:12:16 -0800
    Siri Cruise <[email protected]> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 23:31:32 -0800, Siri Cruise wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    The last Indian war.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Alcatraz>

    Man, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Is the
    only way the US can win a war is to fight it against its own
    unarmed citizens?

    What hope does this offer to your hopes of destroying Hamas?


    I hope to destroy hamas? Why?


    No reason you would - bloodthirtsy Israel hater that you are.

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 17 22:39:54 2025
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    What 'tarded old Lawrence still fails to understand, is
    that those who will gain the most from the destruction of
    Hamas, are the people of Gaza.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Tue Feb 18 01:11:10 2025
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    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 22:39:54 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    ... those who will gain the most from the destruction of Hamas, are the people of Gaza.

    Such a fond Zionist delusion, that hardly any Palestinian believes. What
    they have seen is an organization that has stood up to the worst that
    Israel has been able to throw at it, and still remains a credible force
    for keeping things together in Gaza.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Feb 18 02:15:10 2025
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    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:48:52 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    Hamas leadership is living like kings in Dubai on the billions they
    skimmed off international aid to the Palestinians over the years.

    Nice to hear from somebody who actually cares about the Palestinians and
    wants to live with them in peace, rather than evict or exterminate them
    and steal their land.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Mon Feb 17 19:53:11 2025
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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:48:52 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    Hamas leadership is living like kings in Dubai on the billions they
    skimmed off international aid to the Palestinians over the years.

    Nice to hear from somebody who actually cares about the Palestinians and wants to live with them in peace, rather than evict or exterminate them
    and steal their land.


    I point to the Rhine River. France and Germany have been trying
    kill each other for centuries. Then they decided not to. After the
    Common Market came the European Union. This will continue to they
    all decide to live together in peace. They have to decide for
    themselves.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Tue Feb 18 06:04:53 2025
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    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:53:11 -0800, Siri Cruise wrote:

    They have to decide for themselves.

    No meddling from outsiders?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Feb 18 06:28:20 2025
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    In article <vp0mnd$1culg$[email protected]>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:

    ... those who will gain the most from the destruction of Hamas, are the
    people of Gaza.

    Such a fond Zionist delusion, that hardly any Palestinian believes.

    Not so, Lawrence old 'tard.

    Since 1948 (combined), the Arabs have managed to kill about
    50 times more Arabs than have died in all their confrontations
    with Israel combined. The Hamas scum are just playing along.

    Gaza could look like Kuwait today, had it not been ruled by
    these barbarians.

    Many Gazans know it and are saying it; of course, some face
    the consequences. Now, don't forget to delete the following
    in your reply, you 'tarded old fifth-rate troll.


    Gaza victims of Hamas torture were beaten with truncheons, gun butts,
    hoses, wire, and fists; some were also burnt with fire, hot metal or
    acid.

    https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/webfm/Documents/issues/embargoed_report_2015_strangling_necks.pdf

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Feb 18 07:51:13 2025
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    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:40:15 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 06:12:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Question: When was the last time the USA won a war?

    Did it happen in your lifetime?

    Both Gulf Wars come to mind.

    The first one got Saddam out of Kuwait -- a nice, conservative, safe
    military goal, certainly achieved. What the US didn’t quite make clear to Saddam’s opponents in Iraq was that they were not going to get help if
    they tried to rise up against him. They did rise up, and got completely massacred for their pains, while the US and its allies stood idly by.

    The second one deposed him, and wasn’t there also something about
    “bringing democracy to the Middle East”? Tell me that one was a great success, why don’t you.

    Do you see either as a good model for what your President of North Mexico
    has in mind for Gaza?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to hello there on Tue Feb 18 07:48:05 2025
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    On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 06:28:20 +0000 (UTC), hello there wrote:

    Many Gazans know it and are saying it

    Look at the West Bank, where Israel is ostensibly trying to prevent
    turning into “another Gaza”, as an excuse to commit even more violence. Go talk to Palestinians there, and ask what they think of Hamas. Their
    opinion of Hamas has only gone up in the last 15 months.

    Gaza victims of Hamas torture were beaten with truncheons, gun butts,
    hoses, wire, and fists; some were also burnt with fire, hot metal or
    acid.

    Compare the health of those Israeli prisoners who have been released, with
    the shocking state of much of the Palestinian prison population that we
    are seeing.

    Which is the side subjecting people to arbitrary arrest and detention
    without trial, solitary confinement, torture, beatings, starvation,
    sometimes for years on end?

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  • From hello there@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 18 18:49:01 2025
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    In article <vp1dvk$1js7j$[email protected]>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:

    [fifth-rate trolling, false analogies, and lies flushed]

    "Gaza victims of Hamas torture were beaten with truncheons, gun butts,
    hoses, wire, and fists; some were also burnt with fire, hot metal or
    acid."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/10/trump-gaza-ceasefire-hamas-hostages
    "The skeletal appearance of three [Israeli] hostages released on Saturday"

    Children (as young as nine months) kidnapped, some murdered, by Hamas: https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-children-believed-held-hostage-in-gaza-many-of-whom-could-be-freed-in-hamas-deal/

    Not only Jews: Hamas butchered, kidnapped Thai, Nepalese, Filipino, African workers and students https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/03/asian-migrant-workers-victims-hamas-led-attacks

    Hamas, PA neo-Nazi propaganda and Holocaust denial ************************************************** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas%E2%80%93UNRWA_Holocaust_dispute https://www.timesofisrael.com/eu-parliament-slams-hateful-palestinian-textbooks-threatens-funding-
    freeze/

    Hamas' dream of world conquest and Islamic rule over the
    entire planet, w/o any "Jews or Christian traitors" ******************************************************* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt0Gz7XOuKY https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-765304?dicbo=v2-6NXz5D9

    Factoid: since 1948 (inclusive), about 50 times more Muslims in
    the Middle East died at the hand of other Muslims, than in all
    their wars against Israel combined.

    Say, Lawrence, you sick motherfucker... why do you hate the people
    of Gaza so much?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Feb 19 23:34:57 2025
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    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 03:34:00 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 07:51:13 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Do you see either as a good model for what your President of North
    Mexico has in mind for Gaza?

    Fuck donald.

    Does that mean you disagree with his plans for Gaza?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Feb 19 23:33:03 2025
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    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 03:32:20 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 06:04:53 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:53:11 -0800, Siri Cruise wrote:

    They have to decide for themselves.

    No meddling from outsiders?

    There will always be meddling from outsiders. No man is an island, nor
    is any country.

    What about those who are not exactly outsiders? Consider, this is very
    much Iran’s back yard, it has a right to take an interest in what goes on there.

    What excuse do the Western powers have?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 19 23:31:47 2025
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    Nice to hear from somebody who actually cares about the Palestinians and
    wants to live with them in peace, rather than evict or exterminate them
    and steal their land.

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  • From XRPBCYZ@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Feb 21 06:34:33 2025
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    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:06:33 -0500
    Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:

    that drip
    from his lips.


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  • From XRPBCYZ@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Feb 21 06:35:08 2025
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    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:01:55 -0500
    Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:

    western
    economies.




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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Feb 21 08:51:11 2025
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    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:34:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 03:31:22 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    I merely point out how ignorant they're kept.

    I wonder why you care. Is it out of concern for their welfare? Or simply a >>collection of excuses to justify treating them as subhuman?

    Neither. It's an observation that their pitiable state is of their own making
    in the sense that their leaders have done this to them in order to live large.

    And now American leaders are now busily continuing the same theme here.

    --
    Ferguson's Precept:
    A crisis is when you can't say "let's forget the whole thing."

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  • From XRPBCYZ@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Fri Feb 21 12:28:43 2025
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    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:51:11 -0500
    Chris Ahlstrom <[email protected]> wrote:

    And now American leaders are now busily continuing the same theme
    here.


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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Feb 21 23:33:18 2025
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    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:01:55 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:33:03 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:

    What excuse do the Western powers have?

    They cause war in a region absolutely essential to the security of
    western economies.

    Really?? So Western economies depend on their maintaining these wars?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Feb 21 23:34:16 2025
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    On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:05:24 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:34:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 03:31:22 -0500, Governor Swill wrote:

    I merely point out how ignorant they're kept.

    I wonder why you care. Is it out of concern for their welfare? Or simply
    a collection of excuses to justify treating them as subhuman?

    Neither. It's an observation that their pitiable state is of their own making ...

    Is that an excuse to inflict even more atrocities on them? If not, why do
    you do it?

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