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    From D. Ray@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 6 21:50:10 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, aus.politics, alt.politics

    A direct descendant of Victoria’s first settlers has called for monuments
    to her family to be removed or destroyed.

    Suzannah Henty, a far-left art history teacher and PhD student at the University of Melbourne whose research focuses on “anti-colonial and decolonial contemporary art”, appeared before the Yoorrook Justice
    Commission truth-telling inquiry on Thursday.

    Ms Henty is a sixth-generation descendent of pioneer James Henty, whose
    brother Edward arrived in Portland in 1834 and was the Australian state’s first permanent settler.

    She told the commission: “I want to acknowledge the invasion of my forefathers and the war that ensued was a crime that continues to inflict harm.”

    The Eumeralla Wars between British settlers and local Aboriginal people
    after the arrival of the Hentys left an estimated 6,500 Indigenous
    combatants dead for the loss of only 80 settlers.

    Ms Henty claimed to the commission that her ancestors were “involved in an organised ethnic cleansing of First Nations peoples” and that she was “never told”.

    She said that monuments to her ancestors in Portland should be taken down,
    and moved to a park or museum for “fallen monuments” or be destroyed.

    “Memorialising the Henty family is essential to colonisation,” she told the commission, which is a hearing into alleged injustices against Victoria’s Indigenous people.

    “Removing these monuments is a start to repairing the injustice committed
    by settlers. Ultimately, I believe that Indigenous people should be
    responsible for what happens to the monuments.”

    In 2020, the wake of deadly Black Lives Matter riots across the United
    States which caused widespread destruction and death, she wrote an opinion piece for The Guardian stating that BLM was a “transnational movement”, reflecting on her ancestry, and calling for reparations and the dismantling
    of “colonial systems”.

    Suzannah Henty, a sixth generation descendant of the Henty settlers
    speaks out about her family's' past and the importance of understanding
    and acknowledging the true history of Victoria.
    Follow to stay up to date on Yoorrook's Land, Sky & Water hearings and #truthtelling. pic.twitter.com/SW5dqKMxBn

    — Yoorrook Justice Commission (@yoorrookjc) March 28, 2024

    Victorian Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation chief
    executive Jill Gallagher, an Aboriginal woman, told the inquiry that
    Indigenous people needed to be given Crown land.

    “We need places to heal and connect, safe places,” Ms Gallagher said.

    “Owning land and having access to land, it really is that ongoing
    sustainable approach to self determination … at a local level.”

    The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling” inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
    Commission.

    Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in mid-2025.

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20240404084906/https://www.noticer.news/henty-descendant-calls-for-destruction-of-portland-victoria-monuments-to-her-ancestors/>

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?w5ZyZMO2Zw==?=@21:1/5 to D. Ray on Sun Apr 7 09:08:48 2024
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, aus.politics, alt.politics

    D. Ray wrote:

    /snip/

    The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling” inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
    Commission.
    Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in mid-2025.

    Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
    fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
    around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the indigenous citizens of this continent.

    This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
    acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
    equitable measure.
    There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
    obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
    such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.

    So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
    newsgroups is what exactly?????

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun Apr 7 09:47:44 2024
    XPost: aus.politics

    On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:08:48 +1000
    Ördög <[email protected]> wrote:

    D. Ray wrote:

    /snip/

    The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling” inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal Commission.
    Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in mid-2025.

    Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the indigenous citizens of this continent.

    This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion, acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an equitable measure.
    There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
    obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
    such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.

    So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
    newsgroups is what exactly?????


    As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
    wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
    fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
    guilty, etc.

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  • From D. Ray@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Sun Apr 7 01:25:55 2024
    XPost: aus.politics

    Borax Man <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:08:48 +1000
    Ördög <[email protected]> wrote:

    D. Ray wrote:

    /snip/

    The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling” >>> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
    Commission.
    Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous >>> people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public
    hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in >>> mid-2025.

    Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right
    political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
    Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
    fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
    despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
    around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
    indigenous citizens of this continent.

    This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
    acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
    equitable measure.
    There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
    obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
    such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.

    So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
    newsgroups is what exactly?????


    As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
    wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
    fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel guilty, etc.

    You shouldn’t feel guilty.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?w5ZyZMO2Zw==?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 7 12:17:24 2024
    XPost: aus.politics

    D. Ray

    Ördög
    D. Ray wrote:
    The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling” >>>> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
    Commission.
    Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous >>>> people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public >>>> hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
    mid-2025.

    Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right >>> political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
    Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
    fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
    despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
    around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
    indigenous citizens of this continent.

    This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
    acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
    equitable measure.
    There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
    obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
    such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.

    So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
    newsgroups is what exactly?????

    As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
    wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
    fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original
    Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
    guilty, etc.

    That happens only when one successfully swallows the nasty misleading
    rightwing propaganda dumps in a hook-line-sinker fashion, that is all.
    The remedy is quite simple: Laying off from watching/listening
    to/reading all that Murdoch and LNP propaganda rubbish.

    Just look up unedited ABS data to obtain a rational view on this matter instead.

    You shouldn’t feel guilty.

    It is not now nor has ever been about feeling some/any "guilt". It is
    all about helping the indigenous population of this continent catching
    up in their quality of their lives with the rest of us.
    Nope, I am definitely not feeling guilty about the dark Australian past
    as I am an immigrant myself, but I am keen on acknowledging real history
    for what it is worth. One can always learn from past mistakes if the
    will is there.
    However what I definitely feel is being quite appalled seeing our
    collective political inability, given our contemporary wealth, advanced industrial and cultural status, to achieve relative equality and proper acknowledgement for all people living here.
    The racist and greedy capitalist political right has successfully
    misconstrued the nature of real problems related to indigenous
    Australian as was clearly seen in the rejected Voice referendum.

    --
    Ördög
    The on duty Newsgroup Devil

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Apr 12 10:09:30 2024
    XPost: aus.politics

    On 2024-04-07, Ördög <[email protected]> wrote:
    D. Ray

    Ördög
    D. Ray wrote:
    The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling” >>>>> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
    Commission.
    Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous
    people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public >>>>> hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
    mid-2025.

    Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right >>>> political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance >>>> Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
    fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
    despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities >>>> around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the >>>> indigenous citizens of this continent.

    This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
    acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
    equitable measure.
    There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
    obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of >>>> such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.

    So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
    newsgroups is what exactly?????

    As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
    wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
    fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original
    Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
    guilty, etc.

    That happens only when one successfully swallows the nasty misleading rightwing propaganda dumps in a hook-line-sinker fashion, that is all.
    The remedy is quite simple: Laying off from watching/listening
    to/reading all that Murdoch and LNP propaganda rubbish.

    Just look up unedited ABS data to obtain a rational view on this matter instead.

    You shouldn’t feel guilty.

    It is not now nor has ever been about feeling some/any "guilt". It is
    all about helping the indigenous population of this continent catching
    up in their quality of their lives with the rest of us.
    Nope, I am definitely not feeling guilty about the dark Australian past
    as I am an immigrant myself, but I am keen on acknowledging real history
    for what it is worth. One can always learn from past mistakes if the
    will is there.
    However what I definitely feel is being quite appalled seeing our
    collective political inability, given our contemporary wealth, advanced industrial and cultural status, to achieve relative equality and proper acknowledgement for all people living here.
    The racist and greedy capitalist political right has successfully misconstrued the nature of real problems related to indigenous
    Australian as was clearly seen in the rejected Voice referendum.


    I agree, but the tone of the message, the way it is conveyed, it is as
    if I share responsibility. I need to engage in reconcilation?

    No. I don't think it is right to invite people to the country, THEN
    tell them "oh yeah, the land is stolen, we need to make up for it.".

    Well, if sovreignty was never ceded, if that is what you are telling
    me, and I AM told this at work, officially(!), why do you, as a White "colonist" continue to invite others to use this land? Are the
    indegenous OK with immigration into Australia? If they are, then what
    is the problem here?

    Australians want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to
    share the country with the world, while simultaneously trying to
    reconcile the fact they "stole" the land. If it was indeed stolen,
    what right do we have to give it to others? If we've gotten past it,
    and now we do rightfully have land, then MOVE ON and stop dwelling on
    it.

    Could you imagine me muscling in on your house, then inviting others
    to rent a room, and tell them the room is stolen, while trying
    simultaneously to bring in more flatmates for my profit?

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Ray on Fri Apr 12 10:01:51 2024
    XPost: aus.politics

    On 2024-04-07, D Ray <d@ray> wrote:
    Borax Man <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:08:48 +1000
    Ördög <[email protected]> wrote:

    D. Ray wrote:

    /snip/

    The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling” >>>> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
    Commission.
    Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous >>>> people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public >>>> hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
    mid-2025.

    Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right >>> political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
    Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
    fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
    despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
    around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
    indigenous citizens of this continent.

    This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
    acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
    equitable measure.
    There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
    obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
    such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.

    So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
    newsgroups is what exactly?????


    As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
    wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
    fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original
    Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
    guilty, etc.

    You shouldn’t feel guilty.

    I don't, but it is annoying that its assumed im a colonizer when I'm
    actually the product of immigration. They say "European
    Colonisation". Why aren't the Chinese also called colonisers? They
    were here before my family was.

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