The Utter Disconnect between 'Realities'

Alastair Crooke Source: Al Mayadeen English 30 Jan 00:19

Team Biden has painted the US into such a polarised ‘corner’ over Ukraine that America cannot ‘walk-back’ its narrative of Russia’s inevitable collapse and humiliation.

…

On ​24​ February, the anniversary of the Ukraine conflict will be marked across the western media. Except that the ‘anniversary’ label has been ‘slapped on’ to it​,​ purposefully to solidify a western meme. Ukraine truly
is a ‘​h​odge ​p​ot’ of fissiparous ethnicities, cultures and ancient roots:
It has been in conflict for decades. It certainly didn’t just spring out
of the blue last February.

The ​r​est of ​w​orld – including the Middle East – has taken the firm stance
that both the war on Russia, and especially the struggles in Ukraine​,​ is ancient, toxic European ‘feuding’. It is not their business​ and t​hey want
no part of it. They refused​ too, to​ be bullied into it.

…

Perhaps ​the most singular and novel aspect has been the utter disconnect between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is happening in the
Ukrainian battlespace and inside Russia’​, a​nd on the other​,​ that which is
being published and broadcast in the West. The​ two 'realities'​ scarcely touch at any point.

…

These types of disruptive narratives are far more common than is
acknowledged. One aspect to this infowar revolution has been the inversion
of the western media business model: Its revenue no longer derives from
readers who buy or subscribe​,​ and who want, and expect​,​ reality.

At the supra-national level, it is government and its agencies which now
pay handsomely for their narratives to be read by media consumers (as the Twitter email ‘dumps’ amply revealed). There is no standing apart from this discourse; there is no thinking outside of the social media feed.

…

And as ​commentator ​Yves Smith provocatively argues: ​"​What if Russia decisively wins – yet the western press is directed to not notice?​".​ Then
presumably​,​ by extension​,​ the legacy ​of ​‘confrontation narratives’ between
West and Middle Eastern states​ ​will be held tight, too, in a wider, longer
war in support of US primacy.

цялото може да се прочете на https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/the-utter-disconnect-between-realities

надявам се никой да не попита защо публикацията е в Al Mayadeen, а не в
the guardian (примерно) и да не пита за виктор орбан бие негрите.

Alastair Crooke — Director of Conflicts Forum; Former Senior British Diplomat; Author.

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On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 6:47:05 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

The Utter Disconnect between 'Realities'

Alastair Crooke Source: Al Mayadeen English 30 Jan 00:19

Team Biden has painted the US into such a polarised ‘corner’ over Ukraine
that America cannot ‘walk-back’ its narrative of Russia’s inevitable collapse and humiliation.

…

On ​24​ February, the anniversary of the Ukraine conflict will be marked across the western media. Except that the ‘anniversary’ label has been ‘slapped on’ to it​,​ purposefully to solidify a western meme. Ukraine truly
is a ‘​h​odge ​p​ot’ of fissiparous ethnicities, cultures and ancient roots:
It has been in conflict for decades. It certainly didn’t just spring out of the blue last February.

The ​r​est of ​w​orld – including the Middle East – has taken the firm stance
that both the war on Russia, and especially the struggles in Ukraine​,​ is
ancient, toxic European ‘feuding’. It is not their business​ and t​hey want
no part of it. They refused​ too, to​ be bullied into it.

…

Perhaps ​the most singular and novel aspect has been the utter disconnect between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is happening in the
Ukrainian battlespace and inside Russia’​, a​nd on the other​,​ that which is
being published and broadcast in the West. The​ two 'realities'​ scarcely
touch at any point.

…

These types of disruptive narratives are far more common than is acknowledged. One aspect to this infowar revolution has been the inversion of the western media business model: Its revenue no longer derives from readers who buy or subscribe​,​ and who want, and expect​,​ reality.

At the supra-national level, it is government and its agencies which now
pay handsomely for their narratives to be read by media consumers (as the Twitter email ‘dumps’ amply revealed). There is no standing apart from this discourse; there is no thinking outside of the social media feed.

…

And as ​commentator ​Yves Smith provocatively argues: ​"​What if Russia
decisively wins – yet the western press is directed to not notice?​".​ Then
presumably​,​ by extension​,​ the legacy ​of ​‘confrontation narratives’ between
West and Middle Eastern states​ ​will be held tight, too, in a wider, longer
war in support of US primacy.

цялото може да се прочете на https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/the-utter-disconnect-between-realities

надявам се никой да не попита защо публикацията е в Al Mayadeen, а не в
the guardian (примерно) и да не пита за виктор орбан бие негрите.

Alastair Crooke — Director of Conflicts Forum; Former Senior British Diplomat; Author.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

"Crooke has been a consistent advocate for the protection of the Assad regime in Syria"

"Crooke makes frequent appearances on Hezbollah affiliated Al Mayadeen television network. In one such appearance, Crooke vocally
defended the policies of Russian president Vladimir Putin vis a vis the Ukraine"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Crooke

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

За едно нещо обаче е напълно прав: "the utter disconnect
between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is happening in the
Ukrainian battlespace and inside Russia’​, a​nd on the other​,​ that which is
being published and broadcast in the West. The​ two 'realities'​ scarcely touch at any point. "

Но със спедната поправка:
"the utter disconnect between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is happening in the
Ukrainian battlespace and that which is being published and broadcast in Russia. The​ two
'realities'​ scarcely touch at any point. "

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 6:47:05 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

The Utter Disconnect between 'Realities'

Alastair Crooke Source: Al Mayadeen English 30 Jan 00:19

Team Biden has painted the US into such a polarised ‘corner’ over
Ukraine that America cannot ‘walk-back’ its narrative of Russia’s
inevitable collapse and humiliation.

…

On ​24​ February, the anniversary of the Ukraine conflict will be
marked across the western media. Except that the ‘anniversary’ label
has been ‘slapped on’ to it​,​ purposefully to solidify a western meme.
Ukraine truly is a ‘​h​odge ​p​ot’ of fissiparous ethnicities, cultures
and ancient roots:
It has been in conflict for decades. It certainly didn’t just spring
out of the blue last February.

The ​r​est of ​w​orld – including the Middle East – has taken the firm
stance that both the war on Russia, and especially the struggles in
Ukraine​,​ is ancient, toxic European ‘feuding’. It is not their
business​ and t​hey want no part of it. They refused​ too, to​ be
bullied into it.

…

Perhaps ​the most singular and novel aspect has been the utter
disconnect between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is
happening in the Ukrainian battlespace and inside Russia’​, a​nd on the
other​,​ that which is being published and broadcast in the West. The​ >> two 'realities'​ scarcely touch at any point.

…

These types of disruptive narratives are far more common than is
acknowledged. One aspect to this infowar revolution has been the
inversion of the western media business model: Its revenue no longer
derives from readers who buy or subscribe​,​ and who want, and
expect​,​ reality.

At the supra-national level, it is government and its agencies which
now pay handsomely for their narratives to be read by media consumers
(as the Twitter email ‘dumps’ amply revealed). There is no standing
apart from this discourse; there is no thinking outside of the social
media feed.

…

And as ​commentator ​Yves Smith provocatively argues: ​"​What if Russia
decisively wins – yet the western press is directed to not notice?​".​ >> Then presumably​,​ by extension​,​ the legacy ​of ​‘confrontation
narratives’ between West and Middle Eastern states​ ​will be held
tight, too, in a wider, longer war in support of US primacy.

цялото може да се прочете на
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/the-utter-disconnect-between- realities

надявам се никой да не попита защо публикацията е в Al Mayadeen, а не в
the guardian (примерно) и да не пита за виктор орбан бие негрите.

Alastair Crooke — Director of Conflicts Forum; Former Senior British
Diplomat; Author.

"Crooke has been a consistent advocate for the protection of the Assad
regime in Syria"

"Crooke makes frequent appearances on Hezbollah affiliated Al Mayadeen television network. In one such appearance, Crooke vocally defended the policies of Russian president Vladimir Putin vis a vis the Ukraine"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Crooke

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

леле, до там ли изпадна - wikipedia. the guardian не казват ли нещо по
темата?

За едно нещо обаче е напълно прав: "the utter disconnect between two
‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is happening in the Ukrainian
battlespace and inside Russia’​, a​nd on the other​,​ that which is being published and broadcast in the West. The​ two 'realities'​
scarcely touch at any point. "

Но със спедната поправка:
"the utter disconnect between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is happening in the Ukrainian battlespace and that which is being published and broadcast in Russia. The​ two
'realities'​ scarcely touch at any point. "

едно си баба знае, едно си баба бае.

добре, че майката-природа си знае работата.

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 14:31:12 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:18:38 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 6:47:05 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

The Utter Disconnect between 'Realities'

Alastair Crooke Source: Al Mayadeen English 30 Jan 00:19

Team Biden has painted the US into such a polarised ‘corner’ over
Ukraine that America cannot ‘walk-back’ its narrative of Russia’s >> >> inevitable collapse and humiliation.

…

On ​24​ February, the anniversary of the Ukraine conflict will be
marked across the western media. Except that the ‘anniversary’ label >> >> has been ‘slapped on’ to it​,​ purposefully to solidify a western >> >> meme.

Ukraine truly is a ‘​h​odge ​p​ot’ of fissiparous ethnicities,
cultures and ancient roots:
It has been in conflict for decades. It certainly didn’t just spring
out of the blue last February.

The ​r​est of ​w​orld – including the Middle East – has taken the
firm stance that both the war on Russia, and especially the
struggles in Ukraine​,​ is ancient, toxic European ‘feuding’. It is
not their business​ and t​hey want no part of it. They refused​ too,
to​ be bullied into it.

…

Perhaps ​the most singular and novel aspect has been the utter
disconnect between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is
happening in the Ukrainian battlespace and inside Russia’​, a​nd on >> >> the other​,​ that which is being published and broadcast in the
West. The​ two 'realities'​ scarcely touch at any point.

…

These types of disruptive narratives are far more common than is
acknowledged. One aspect to this infowar revolution has been the
inversion of the western media business model: Its revenue no longer
derives from readers who buy or subscribe​,​ and who want, and
expect​,​ reality.

At the supra-national level, it is government and its agencies which
now pay handsomely for their narratives to be read by media
consumers (as the Twitter email ‘dumps’ amply revealed). There is no >> >> standing apart from this discourse; there is no thinking outside of
the social media feed.

…

And as ​commentator ​Yves Smith provocatively argues: ​"​What if >> >> Russia decisively wins – yet the western press is directed to not
notice?​".​ Then presumably​,​ by extension​,​ the legacy ​of
​‘confrontation narratives’ between West and Middle Eastern states​
​will be held tight, too, in a wider, longer war in support of US
primacy.

цялото може да се прочете на
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/the-utter-disconnect- between-realities

надявам се никой да не попита защо публикацията е в Al Mayadeen, а
не в the guardian (примерно) и да не пита за виктор орбан бие
негрите.

Alastair Crooke — Director of Conflicts Forum; Former Senior British
Diplomat; Author.

"Crooke has been a consistent advocate for the protection of the
Assad regime in Syria"

"Crooke makes frequent appearances on Hezbollah affiliated Al
Mayadeen television network. In one such appearance, Crooke vocally
defended the policies of Russian president Vladimir Putin vis a vis
the Ukraine"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Crooke

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

леле, до там ли изпадна - wikipedia. the guardian не казват ли нещо по
темата?

Alastair Crooke пише за тях (ако случайно не знаеш).

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/alastaircrooke

Интересно как това се вписва в представите ти за света.

съвсем нормално, проблемът е в твоите представи - продължаваш по стар
тоталитарен обичай да гледаш кой е авторът, а не какво е написал.

за това и старата пословица ти пасва идеално.

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«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:18:38 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 6:47:05 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

The Utter Disconnect between 'Realities'

Alastair Crooke Source: Al Mayadeen English 30 Jan 00:19

Team Biden has painted the US into such a polarised ‘corner’ over
Ukraine that America cannot ‘walk-back’ its narrative of Russia’s >> inevitable collapse and humiliation.

…

On ​24​ February, the anniversary of the Ukraine conflict will be
marked across the western media. Except that the ‘anniversary’ label >> has been ‘slapped on’ to it​,​ purposefully to solidify a western meme.
Ukraine truly is a ‘​h​odge ​p​ot’ of fissiparous ethnicities, cultures
and ancient roots:
It has been in conflict for decades. It certainly didn’t just spring
out of the blue last February.

The ​r​est of ​w​orld – including the Middle East – has taken the firm
stance that both the war on Russia, and especially the struggles in
Ukraine​,​ is ancient, toxic European ‘feuding’. It is not their >> business​ and t​hey want no part of it. They refused​ too, to​ be >> bullied into it.

…

Perhaps ​the most singular and novel aspect has been the utter
disconnect between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what is
happening in the Ukrainian battlespace and inside Russia’​, a​nd on the
other​,​ that which is being published and broadcast in the West. The​
two 'realities'​ scarcely touch at any point.

…

These types of disruptive narratives are far more common than is
acknowledged. One aspect to this infowar revolution has been the
inversion of the western media business model: Its revenue no longer
derives from readers who buy or subscribe​,​ and who want, and
expect​,​ reality.

At the supra-national level, it is government and its agencies which
now pay handsomely for their narratives to be read by media consumers
(as the Twitter email ‘dumps’ amply revealed). There is no standing >> apart from this discourse; there is no thinking outside of the social
media feed.

…

And as ​commentator ​Yves Smith provocatively argues: ​"​What if Russia
decisively wins – yet the western press is directed to not notice?​".​
Then presumably​,​ by extension​,​ the legacy ​of ​‘confrontation
narratives’ between West and Middle Eastern states​ ​will be held >> tight, too, in a wider, longer war in support of US primacy.

цялото може да се прочете на
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/the-utter-disconnect-between- realities

надявам се никой да не попита защо публикацията е в Al Mayadeen, а не в
the guardian (примерно) и да не пита за виктор орбан бие негрите.

Alastair Crooke — Director of Conflicts Forum; Former Senior British
Diplomat; Author.

"Crooke has been a consistent advocate for the protection of the Assad regime in Syria"

"Crooke makes frequent appearances on Hezbollah affiliated Al Mayadeen television network. In one such appearance, Crooke vocally defended the policies of Russian president Vladimir Putin vis a vis the Ukraine"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Crooke

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

леле, до там ли изпадна - wikipedia. the guardian не казват ли нещо по
темата?

Alastair Crooke пише за тях (ако случайно не знаеш).

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/alastaircrooke

Интересно как това се вписва в представите ти за света.

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

Вече няма новини, има модели..

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 19:17:53 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:50:43 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

Вече няма новини, има модели..

Когато говорим за мнения, защо намесваме новините?

Защото при тебе истината е в единия модел само, също като при новините.

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 19:17:53 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:50:43 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

Вече няма новини, има модели..

Когато говорим за мнения, защо намесваме новините?

може би защото в статията се споменава нещо за новини?

някой бил гледал и написаното от автора, ха-ха.

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:43:02 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 6:08:02 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 14:31:12 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:18:38 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 6:47:05 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

The Utter Disconnect between 'Realities'

Alastair Crooke Source: Al Mayadeen English 30 Jan 00:19

Team Biden has painted the US into such a polarised ‘corner’ over >> >> >> Ukraine that America cannot ‘walk-back’ its narrative of Russia’s
inevitable collapse and humiliation.

…

On ​24​ February, the anniversary of the Ukraine conflict will be >> >> >> marked across the western media. Except that the ‘anniversary’
label has been ‘slapped on’ to it​,​ purposefully to solidify a
western meme.

Ukraine truly is a ‘​h​odge ​p​ot’ of fissiparous ethnicities,
cultures and ancient roots:
It has been in conflict for decades. It certainly didn’t just
spring out of the blue last February.

The ​r​est of ​w​orld – including the Middle East – has taken the
firm stance that both the war on Russia, and especially the
struggles in Ukraine​,​ is ancient, toxic European ‘feuding’. It
is not their business​ and t​hey want no part of it. They
refused​ too,
to​ be bullied into it.

…

Perhaps ​the most singular and novel aspect has been the utter
disconnect between two ‘realities’ of – on the one hand -​ ​‘what
is happening in the Ukrainian battlespace and inside Russia’​,
a​nd on the other​,​ that which is being published and broadcast >> >> >> in the West. The​ two 'realities'​ scarcely touch at any point.

…

These types of disruptive narratives are far more common than is
acknowledged. One aspect to this infowar revolution has been the
inversion of the western media business model: Its revenue no
longer derives from readers who buy or subscribe​,​ and who want, >> >> >> and expect​,​ reality.

At the supra-national level, it is government and its agencies
which now pay handsomely for their narratives to be read by media
consumers (as the Twitter email ‘dumps’ amply revealed). There is >> >> >> no standing apart from this discourse; there is no thinking
outside of the social media feed.

…

And as ​commentator ​Yves Smith provocatively argues: ​"​What if
Russia decisively wins – yet the western press is directed to not
notice?​".​ Then presumably​,​ by extension​,​ the legacy ​of
​‘confrontation narratives’ between West and Middle Eastern
states​ ​will be held tight, too, in a wider, longer war in
support of US primacy.

цялото може да се прочете на
https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/the-utter-disconnect-

between-realities

надявам се никой да не попита защо публикацията е в Al Mayadeen,
а не в the guardian (примерно) и да не пита за виктор орбан бие
негрите.

Alastair Crooke — Director of Conflicts Forum; Former Senior
British Diplomat; Author.

"Crooke has been a consistent advocate for the protection of the
Assad regime in Syria"

"Crooke makes frequent appearances on Hezbollah affiliated Al
Mayadeen television network. In one such appearance, Crooke
vocally defended the policies of Russian president Vladimir Putin
vis a vis the Ukraine"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Crooke

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

леле, до там ли изпадна - wikipedia. the guardian не казват ли нещо
по темата?

Alastair Crooke пише за тях (ако случайно не знаеш).

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/alastaircrooke

Интересно как това се вписва в представите ти за света.

съвсем нормално, проблемът е в твоите представи - продължаваш по стар
тоталитарен обичай да гледаш кой е авторът, а не какво е написал.

Гледам _и двете_. Така обикновено избягвам глупавата ситуация, в която
изпадна по-горе.

_не гледаш и двете_, иначе би спестил забележката си за личността на
автора и би наблегнал на написаното от него.

и ако някой е в глупава ситуация, това си ти. както казах, проблемът е в
твоите представи, не в моите.

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 07:57:37 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 12:39:14 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 19:17:53 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:50:43 PM UTC-5, chorbalan wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:03:24 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

_Мнението_ му изразено по-горе напълно съвпада с този модел.

Вече няма новини, има модели..

Когато говорим за мнения, защо намесваме новините?

може би защото в статията се споменава нещо за новини?

В статията се изразява _мнение_ за новини*. _Мнението_ _не е_
продкрепено с конкретни факти.

значи все пак става дума и за новини?

Толкова ли е трудно за разбиране?? Според мен дори IQ от 70-80 би
трябвало да е достатъчно.

ами ти кажи, ти си неразбралия.

*Поне това, което си цитирал. Не виждам за необходимо да му чета цялата
статия. От много години съм го сложил в графата "шиитски анти-западен
пропагандист".

щом не смяташ да необходимо да прочетеш цялата статия, тогава е необходимо
да мълчиш. би трябвало и да iq < 50 да е достатъчно да го разбереш.

я солженицин не читал, но оссуждаю. иронията е пълна.

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